What does having the 'Mind of Christ' mean?

[Mr. G Lee]

Luke 7:32, and Matthew 11:16-19, are more appropriately shown in Isaiah 30.

Regarding Israel, the rebellious children, who take counsel, but not of God, and use anything other than the Spirit of God, so they add their sin up for always. ( 1 Thessalonians 2:16.)

God foretells them, they shall have a song, one as when a holy solemnity is kept, and of gladness of heart as when one goes with a pipe to the mountain of the Lord.

God would cause His glorious voice to be heard, with indignation of anger, with a flame of a devouring fire, tempest and hailstones.

Christ comes to Israel, and testifies what Israel was, how the mourning song, ( solemn) was not lamented over, how the piped song, ( as when one goes to the mountain of the Lord.) was not danced to. ( Jesus Christ who was eating and drinking.)

Wisdom is justified of her children, it is not justified in the wisdom of this world.




Isaiah 30:1 Woe to the rebellious children, saith the Lord, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin:

Isaiah 30:29 Ye shall have a song, as in the night when a holy solemnity is kept; and gladness of heart, as when one goeth with a pipe to come into the mountain of the Lord, to the mighty One of Israel.
30 And the Lord shall cause his glorious voice to be heard, and shall shew the lighting down of his arm, with the indignation of his anger, and with the flame of a devouring fire, with scattering, and tempest, and hailstones.

Matthew 11:16 But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,
17 And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented.
18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.
19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

1 Thessalonians 2:16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost

Hi thanks
I would suggest God does not sing songs to one nation and not another .

As far as the Thessalonians the wrath of God is not limited to the gentiles .The wages of sin that does change because of DNA ?

The promised first century reformation (Kings in Israel) The abomination of desolation it came to pass the shadows using Jewish flesh to represent all the nation came to end pass when the veil was rent used to represent circumcision of the first born.

When the veil was rent there was no Jewish King of kings sitting in the Holy of Holies . Satan could not longer deceive all the nations of the world that God is a Jewish man. he fell (Revelation 20:3) and will be loosed to again try and deceive the whole word That eternal God is a Jewish creation , he failed with Peter in Matthew 16 when Peter was seduced and rebuked God .He also failed in Mathew 4 when offering all the kingdom and all there short lived worldly glory
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[gordon777]

Hi thanks
1. I would suggest God does not sing songs to one nation and not another .

2. As far as the Thessalonians the wrath of God is not limited to the gentiles .The wages of sin that does change because of DNA ?

3 The promised first century reformation (Kings in Israel) The abomination of desolation it came to pass the shadows using Jewish flesh to represent all the nation came to end pass when the veil was rent used to represent circumcision of the first born.

4. When the veil was rent there was no Jewish King of kings sitting in the Holy of Holies . Satan could not longer deceive all the nations of the world that God is a Jewish man. he fell (Revelation 20:3) and will be loosed to again try and deceive the whole word That eternal God is a Jewish creation , he failed with Peter in Matthew 16 when Peter was seduced and rebuked God .He also failed in Mathew 4 when offering all the kingdom and all there short lived worldly glory
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1. God does teach His song to one nation, and that one nation is hated, of all men.



Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Revelation 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.



2. The wrath of God is on al those who know better and who do worse. ( of the Jew first.)



Luke 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.


Romans 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;




3. The abomination of desolation is when Islam was in Israel, until 1917 when it was defeated and Israel was vowed to be returned to the people of Israel, the Jews. (Jeremiah 44 speaks some more about the abominations committed by the people of Israel and the land desolate for that reason.)


Jeremiah 44:22 So that the Lord could no longer bear, because of the evil of your doings, and because of the abominations which ye have committed; therefore is your land a desolation, and an astonishment, and a curse, without an inhabitant, as at this day.




4. The time satan could no longer deceive was when Jesus Christ overcame this world, because saying no to all the glory of the kingdoms of the world as offered by satan, is only fully seen to be believed in, when we are no longer of the flesh to be tempted.

Jesus overcame this word and death, and we overcome death and this world, ( the kind of Christ.) to follow in all His works, and not at all in any words of men using wisdom of this world that really is foolishness. ( satan returns to tempt a little, as the many false teacher are teaching now.)



Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

 

[Mr. G Lee]

1. God does teach His song to one nation, and that one nation is hated, of all men.



Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

If you mean the Christian nation, the nation of all nations yes .

Salvation having to do with any nation But does have to do with the God of all ,

Its not about jewish flesh or gentile .Never was

 

[gordon777]

If you mean the Christian nation, the nation of all nations yes .

Salvation having to do with any nation But does have to do with the God of all ,

Its not about jewish flesh or gentile .Never was

Having the mind of Christ is how He focused only on what He came for, to save us from death, to show us the way of life, the words people say are life or death, there is life in what Jesus did for us on the cross, there is no life in anything else.

 

[Mr. G Lee]

Having the mind of Christ is how He focused only on what He came for, to save us from death, to show us the way of life, the words people say are life or death, there is life in what Jesus did for us on the cross, there is no life in anything else.

Jesus the Son of man had the mind of the father (Christ) just as us. The Son of man is not Christ. Christ is eternal God our teacher and comforter.

 

[Runningman]

In Romans 11:34 Paul asks the question
"For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?"

Then in 1 Corinthians 2:16, he repeats the question
"For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ."

But now Paul says we have the mind of Christ, so what does that mean?

Having the mind of Christ, having the mind of the Messiah, is believing what Jesus did about himself, but also believing what he did about God. It means being Christ-like. Paul was saying to have the same mind as Jesus then went on to explain what was in Jesus' mind.

Phil 2
5Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus:
6Who, existing in the form of God,
did not consider equality with God
something to be grasped,
7but emptied Himself,
taking the form of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8And being found in appearance as a man,
He humbled Himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross.

 

[tdidymas]

When Paul wrote those words all he had WAS the Old Testament Scripture. All the apostles had those same Scriptures (although they were in possession of the priests and Levites in the Temple and synagogues). There is no new revelation other than the fact that the Mosaic Law was originally understood by the "letter," and since the Law of Moses is type and shadow of the Holy Spirit, and Paul says the Law is spiritual and Jeremiah said God would put His Law in our inward parts (speaking to Israel in the New Covenant He makes with the house of Israel), the Holy Spirit IS that "Law" He said He's put in our inward parts to teach, lead, guide, command, etc., from within that which the Law written on stone did from without. It is NOW the (Holy) Spirit of the Law.
The "Church" Jesus said He was going to build under the New Covenant (Jer. 31) is a continuation of the Church God founded in the desert at the time of the Tabernacle with the children of Israel. When Paul said "we have the Mind of Christ" he was talking about the Old Testament Scripture. There was no "New Testament" Scripture at the time.

The Old Testament was indeed adequate in "revealing the gospel." First, there are many "gospels" in the OT. When Paul said:

11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. 12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. Gal. 1:11–12....

...he was talking about merely as priest in the Sanhedrin and having the Scripture available in which to read and study (although it was letter of the Law), that having the Seed of the Word of God planted in his mind through access and use, that when the Holy Spirit entered from within, the Holy Spirit illuminated those Scriptures in his mind (I don't like to say 'heart' because the 'heart doesn't think), and Paul was then able to SEE the OT covenants and prophecies and Promises and histories, etc., in a new light. There was no special visitation of Jesus where they hung out together (say, in the desert) and Jesus taught him directly and in Person. It did happen that way but the Person was the Holy Spirit within him, and he saw OT Scripture with new eyes and to him this was a revelation he speaks of.

The Mind of Christ/ (Messias = "anointing") he means the OT Scripture.

This debate seems like straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel. Yes, God spoke His mind in all of scripture. Jesus spoke His mind in His earthly ministry. Paul spoke his mind in his NT epistles. Yes, the mind of Christ is an attitude of humility - "Let this mind be in you..." Phil. 2:5. The question is, what was Paul thinking when he wrote "we have the mind of Christ"? I guess we can ask him when we get there.

 

[Mr. G Lee]

This debate seems like straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel. Yes, God spoke His mind in all of scripture. Jesus spoke His mind in His earthly ministry. Paul spoke his mind in his NT epistles. Yes, the mind of Christ is an attitude of humility - "Let this mind be in you..." Phil. 2:5. The question is, what was Paul thinking when he wrote "we have the mind of Christ"? I guess we can ask him when we get there.

God spoke in his mind through every prophet to include Jesus. Jesu said not as I wil but you the mind of God the power of God. . . . not of our human mind.

Face to face or faith to faith in the revealed knowledge .

 

[gordon777]

Having the mind of Christ is to lay HIs life down, to keep your life is having your own mind.