What Does Jesus Do To Lukewarm Christians? Revelation 3:16.

[JoReba]

Since there was a typographic error in another post which could not be corrected when a Mod locked the post, I will review the corrected Scriptural reference here.

Revelation 3:16 KJV, "So then because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spue [sic] you out of my mouth."

By His own direct statement, Jesus does not tolerate lukewarm "Christians." He does not allow them the chatty little excuses of how they might "Be trying their best to be obedient," or how "We have done well in the past," or "We make a commitment to do better," or "We are praying and seeking God's guidance on the matter."

Nope. Jesus takes none of those things into consideration when He makes His decision. This applies to visitors in Church who are just cruising around out of mild curiosity.

 

[Former Christian]

JoReba

The first thing you need to consider is the context. He's talking about a local "church", not individuals. Maybe if you considered another verse out of context, you could make your point.

FC

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Nope. Jesus takes none of those things into consideration when He makes His decision. This applies to visitors in Church who are just cruising around out of mild curiosity.

5 ...judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart." (1 Corinthians 4:5 NIV)

 

[thethinkingrebel]

It means he wont accept them, they will be expelled from the kingdom (akin to the man at the party without his robe, how did he get in?). Lukewarm christians proclaim christ but deny him by their deeds and lifestyle. These are not christians who attend liberal churches, this is simply a term coined by the fundamentalists. The church you attend does not effect salvation (unless it is oppressive and adds lots of rituals and doctrines that are false) as it is 2 hours a week, and anyone who takes doctrine from church is just dense.
What really matters is the individual and his/her actions in line with faith. Remember that he says "I stand at the door and knock", holding the hand of salvation out to them. If you really want to, you could extrapolate this to the modern churches, (Just thinking). We are not the same as people 2000 years ago. There is a difference because we are terribly sure of ourselves, we do put our faith in riches, believing we need nothing else. Lukewarm essentially means "no passion", this cannot mean liberal churches, I have attended liberal churches and there is passion...ALOT. You get church members singing songs next to me, raising their arms, using sign language even though they're not deaf. They definitely are not lukewarm.

Their may be an issue in theology in liberal churches, namely that no doctrine is taught...just love.

But I dont think that this is what Jesus was talking about, I think what we call lukewarm is alot different than what Laodicea was like.

 

[Elijah674]

JoReba

The first thing you need to consider is the context. He's talking about a local "church", not individuals. Maybe if you considered another verse out of context, you could make your point.

FC

Jo is using correct Bible truth warning. Rev. 5:2 has this the last true Candlestick from the previous chapters ending. And she does as you do it seems? In including the whole Group. And as the Inspiration of Eccl. 1:9-10 + Eccl. 3:15 does, there has always been only a REMNANT who escaped in OBEDIENCE!

And as was the case of old Israel Matt. 10:5-6 through verse 15 finds these remnant ones starting up the Acts extendsion of Israel. Which is again truth as we find Laodicea in verse 9 being the rejected whole candlestick & the Rev. 12:17 REMNANT ALREADY in place> Rev. 3:10.

--Elijah

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Their may be an issue in theology in liberal churches, namely that no doctrine is taught...just love.

...and misguided, worldly love at that.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Lukewarm essentially means "no passion"...

"15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot."

They have no passion for either excessive sin, nor for the righteous deeds of the Spirit. They take false comfort in the righteousness of their 'harmless' sin and the righteousness of the few good things they do. The mix makes for a pretty unappetizing meal to God.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

The simplest answer to the OP is he breaks fellowship with them. This does not categorically equate to a loss of salvation, but to the extinguishing of the light and fire of the Holy Spirit in a person or group of people.

It seems to be a little known understanding in the church today. When we sin we lose the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, not our salvation. But that does not mean you won't eventually lose any hope of salvation if you persist in sin. God knows when the practice of sin is an outright rejection of his forgiveness.

"19 Do not quench the Spirit." (1 Thess. 5:19 NIV)

 

[Elijah674]

The simplest answer to the OP is he breaks fellowship with them. This does not categorically equate to a loss of salvation, but to the extinguishing of the light and fire of the Holy Spirit in a person or group of people.

It seems to be a little known understanding in the church today. When we sin we lose the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, not our salvation. But that does not mean you won't eventually lose any hope of salvation if you persist in sin. God knows when the practice of sin is an outright rejection of his forgiveness.

"19 Do not quench the Spirit." (1 Thess. 5:19 NIV)

If one reads the three Rev. 1 through three chapters they will find the seven churchs represent the Sanctuary teaching of where the seven golden candelstick come from, & who Rev. tells us they are meant for. (Rev. 1:4 + 12-14 + 19-20)

Laodicea is represented as the last Virgin teaching 7th fold on earth, but apostizing as did old Israel. The Remnant is the sixth or the extension Remnant that comes [out of her]. If one will just read Rev. 3:6-16 they can readily see ONLY two last candlesticks on the scene. Phil. & Laodicea. And the Lukewarm Spewed out warning is found in verse 9 as finished Laodicea, while Phil. is found in ibid 10 as being kept from the last test of the 666 temptation.

See if Rev. 12:17's REMNANT means anything to you? The devil had old Israel (Matt. 10:5-6 Matt. 23:38) & the REMNANT were the extension seen in the Acts Church. The same as with Laodicea & the Remnant, go.. [GO YE OUT TO MEET HIM] in Matt. 25's Midnight Cry.
(and verse 10? THE DOOR WAS CLOSED!)

--Elijah