What I do not understand about abortion.

[7ruth]

Most of you probably think abortion is murder, look at it this way though.

Proven with science, my logic is simple. With an abortion, an unconsious entity is destroyed. However, if you don't have sex, two unconsious entities are being destroyed.

Abortion: death toll of 1
Abstinence: death toll of 2
Mastu'rbation: genocide

You know my logic is concrete.

So knowing this, should we have more sex? I am confused quite frankly

 

[ChattyMute]

A baby, if is far enough along in the pregnancy, can feel the pain though. A fetus, sperm, or eggs can't.

**I actually agree with you. Just playing devil's advocate.

 

[Rick W]

Science is used to gather data. That's all. The conclusions are made by men. Men make up their minds what the data means.
Conclusion based solely on data concerning an issue such as abortion alienates the moral character of man. Therefore is it not logical to state the above conclusions have no moral basis whatsoever?

 

[Lewis]

Most of you probably think abortion is murder, look at it this way though.

Proven with science, my logic is simple. With an abortion, an unconsious entity is destroyed. However, if you don't have sex, two unconsious entities are being destroyed.

Abortion: death toll of 1
Abstinence: death toll of 2
Mastu'rbation: genocide

You know my logic is concrete.

So knowing this, should we have more sex? I am confused quite frankly

WHAT ?

 

[Free]

I'm with you Lewis.

Most of you probably think abortion is murder, look at it this way though.

Proven with science, my logic is simple. With an abortion, an unconsious entity is destroyed. However, if you don't have sex, two unconsious entities are being destroyed.

Abortion: death toll of 1
Abstinence: death toll of 2
Mastu'rbation: genocide

You know my logic is concrete.

So knowing this, should we have more sex? I am confused quite frankly

Firstly, I disagree that abortions involve "unconscious entities." Secondly, no, your logic is not concrete; it isn't even really logic. There is no death through either abstinence or masturbation. There can only be death where there is life, and there can only be life where there is conception.

 

[Caroline H]

Agreed, and comparing an embryo or fetus to reproductive cells as both being "unconcious entities" is fallacious. It's the same as comparing human life to bacteria. Bacteria are single celled organisms that are unconscious, so is it wrong to kill bacteria? ing

 

[ChattyMute]

I'm with you Lewis.

Most of you probably think abortion is murder, look at it this way though.

Proven with science, my logic is simple. With an abortion, an unconsious entity is destroyed. However, if you don't have sex, two unconsious entities are being destroyed.

Abortion: death toll of 1
Abstinence: death toll of 2
Mastu'rbation: genocide

You know my logic is concrete.

So knowing this, should we have more sex? I am confused quite frankly

Firstly, I disagree that abortions involve "unconscious entities." Secondly, no, your logic is not concrete; it isn't even really logic. There is no death through either abstinence or masturbation. There can only be death where there is life, and there can only be life where there is conception.

I may be wrong, but I think he is basing this on some logic he has seen other Fundamentalist Christians use. I have seen (well, more like read) several people use this logic who are Christian in order to condemn masturbation.
The logic isn't right, but I think that is what he is getting at.
Or I could just be totally wrong.

 

[GojuBrian]

It's not confusing at all to me.

This isn't the worst argument for pro-choice I have heard, but it comes awfully close.

 

[Lewis]

Well most of you here, know how I feel about abortion, so I better shut up.

 

[ChattyMute]

It's not confusing at all to me.

This isn't the worst argument for pro-choice I have heard, but it comes awfully close.

Funny. I've only ever heard it for condemning masturbation.

I don't think he is using it for pro-choice exactly.

If he is, yeah, it is a bad argument.

 

[AAA]

However, if you don't have sex, two unconsious entities are being destroyed.

Can you explain this part? I don't get it.

Do you mean that an unused sperm and an unused egg will die, and that these are 2 unconscious "entities"?

If so, then every time you scratch yourself, you are committing a holocaust of unconscious entities called skin cells. All kinds of cells in the body are constantly dying, and I would say, so what? That's the nature of the beast...I mean, do you think that the Christian god intended for every sperm and every egg to join up and make a person?

So can you explain why your logic "is concrete"? I do not feel the force of your argument in the least.

 

[JoJo]

A baby, if is far enough along in the pregnancy, can feel the pain though. A fetus, sperm, or eggs can't.

And?

Is it okay to end a life if that life doesn't feel pain? Does a death row inmate feel pain when he receives the deadly injection? Or would it be less than murder if a man sedated his wife to sleep before stabbing her to death?

 

[ChattyMute]

A baby, if is far enough along in the pregnancy, can feel the pain though. A fetus, sperm, or eggs can't.

And?

Is it okay to end a life if that life doesn't feel pain? Does a death row inmate feel pain when he receives the deadly injection? Or would it be less than murder if a man sedated his wife to sleep before stabbing her to death?

I was arguing against abortion there. It only takes a few weeks for a baby to develop a nerve system.
With that logic, I guess you are against the morning after pill. It can stop a fertilized egg from implanting; thus causing the pregnancy to end.

Also, you throw the word life around a little too much. Life: the quality that distinguishes a vital and functional being from a dead body. A fetus is not fully functional and able to live on it's own without the mother until late in the pregnancy (3rd tri). No, the baby is not dead, but it is not completely functional. It's more like a pre-life. The word vital in that definition is extremely debatable in regards to a 1st tri fetus.

And I'm going to correct myself on the first post. A baby is a fetus until it is given birth to. And when the fetus can feel pain, I beleive, is still being debated. Though I think most agree that is happens earlier on. :gah

 

[AAA]

With that logic, I guess you are against the morning after pill. It can stop a fertilized egg from implanting; thus causing the pregnancy to end.

WIth that logic, JoJo must be against not just the morning after pill, but the regular birth control pill as well, since in up to 20% of cases, it may work by preventing implantation as well.

 

[Caroline H]

Let's not make this a discussion about whether JoJo approves of anything.
totopic

 

[Ed the Ned]

I am shocked that people whould even consider this kind of logic..............

 

[JoJo]

lol Thanks Caroline

I was arguing against abortion there. It only takes a few weeks for a baby to develop a nerve system. With that logic, I guess you are against the morning after pill. It can stop a fertilized egg from implanting; thus causing the pregnancy to end.

My apologies for misunderstanding.

Yes, I am against the morning after pill if it ends the life of a fertilized egg. In my opinion at least, that is when life begins. Oh there's that word "life" again. Well, I'll ask you what I asked another user once: At what point did you become you in the womb?

 

[ChattyMute]

My apologies for misunderstanding.

Yes, I am against the morning after pill if it ends the life of a fertilized egg. In my opinion at least, that is when life begins. Oh there's that word "life" again. Well, I'll ask you what I asked another user once: At what point did you become you in the womb?

Well, since that isn't what this thread is about, I'll drop it.

I don't know. Define how you become you in the womb. (I got all the technical stuff, like when your fingers form, etc.)

 

[AAA]

I would suggest that the OP is so ridiculous (for reasons already pointed out in this thread) that unless the OP'er returns to defend his/her "logic", it not be discussed anymore.

Yes, I am against the morning after pill if it ends the life of a fertilized egg. In my opinion at least, that is when life begins.

Is use of the morning after pill committing murder, since its the premeditated intentional taking of a human life?

Do you think that the regular use of the birth control pill for contraception also amounts to murder, since, as I mentioned in a previous post, it also works by often preventing the implantation of a fertilized egg?

I'm interested in what any Christians think are the answers to these 2 questions, not just JoJo.

 

[JoJo]

Is use of the morning after pill committing murder, since its the premeditated intentional taking of a human life?

You defined it; you decide.