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Because of the ever changing meaning of our English words of which the word soul is from, I believe it would be better to ask the question, what is man? What are we comprised of? Is mankind just made up of flesh and bones, or is there something else in addition to that?
Here is what the Bible has to about what we are.
Genesis 2:7 (ASV)
7 And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Psalms 74:19 (KJV)
19 O deliver not the soul of thy turtledove unto the multitude of the wicked: forget not the congregation of thy poor for ever.
In these two verses man (a human being) does not seem to be any different than that of an animal; the word soul here means a living thing that breath air or receives air in some form into it’s lungs in order to live, this would also include those in the sea and rivers.
Soul:
Hebrew Word: â€Âנֶפֶש×Â‎
Transliteration: nepesh
Phonetic Pronunciation: neh'-fesh
Root: from <H5314>
Cross Reference: TWOT - 1395a
Part of Speech: n f
Vine's Words: None
from <H5314> (naphash); properly a breathing creature, i.e. animal or (abstract) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental) :- any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, × dead (-ly), desire, × [dis-] contented, × fish, ghost, + greedy, he, heart (-y), (hath, × jeopardy of) life (× in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortally, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-) self, them (your) -selves, + slay, soul, + tablet, they, thing, (× she) will, × would have it.
â€â€Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary
But what does the New Testament have to tell us about what we are?
Matthew 10:28 (KJV)
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Here Jesus has revealed that we have something in addition to the body, which the Old Testament in the Hebrew is called nepesh. In this verse Jesus gives us more insight as to what we are; something that is in us that is called psychē. The word soul is used here as well, but pay no attention to this. I believe that the translators have erred in that some have used the one word “Soul†to translated not only two different words, but two different words from two different languages that means two different things.
It also important to understand for those who believe that this psychē cannot be destroyed, which is translated soul; Jesus is suggesting here that God will destroy not only the body in hell/fire, but the psychē as well. No one can destroy psychē except God and I believe He will in the end, after the white throne judgment, not to be confused with the second coming of Jesus. The white Throne Judgment is a different time period than when Jesus returns.
Ecclesiastes 12:7 (ASV)
7 and the dust returneth to the earth as it was, and the spirit returneth unto God who gave it.
Ecclesiastes 3:21 (ASV)
21 Who knoweth the spirit of man, whether it goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast, whether it goeth downward to the earth?
The spirit that is mentioned in Ecclesiastes 3 and 12 is translated from the Hebrew word rûah which means the mind with all its expressions.̣
I would also like to mention that as far as I can see from what is revealed in the scriptures, is that the dead in Christ are not in heaven. The Bible says that at death, saved or unsaved there spirit goes back to God. Some say the saints are in heaven, but it does not say that they are in heaven; it simply says the spirit goes back to God. They also say that heaven is wherever God is, but I see no scripture to support this. God is omnipresent, but the Bible does not tell me that heaven is omnipresent; the Bible tells me that heaven was created by God, just like everything else that He created, so there was a time when heaven did not exist, but God has always been.
I realize that some will use the scripture below to support that they believe that the dead saints are in heaven.
Revelation 6:9-11 (KJV)
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
This is a vision seen by John, and in this vision the spirits of the dead saints were seen under an alter. What is an alter? An alter is a place where animal sacrifice is burnt. The saints are God’s lambs who were in a sense sacrifice for what they believe, and God is about to avenge their death. Remember that Jesus said that He sent out His disciples as lambs among wolves. These are symbolic language being used to present a message. Jesus is also called the Lamb of God and He was sacrifice for the sin of the world. The Bible tells us that we will be like Jesus, so a part of being like Jesus is to experience some of the things that He went through.
The story of Lazarus and the rich man tells me that the saved and the unsaved are basically in the same place, but are separated by a chasma, because they are able to see and communicate with each other, but none from one side or the other are able get to the other side. Those who are on the side that Abraham is on are at peace and contentment, and those who are on the other side, where the rich man is on is in a state of fear, anguish and torment.
Luke 16:25-26 (KJV)
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
This place that the dead are seem to be a waiting place of some kind; they are all (those on either side) waiting to be resurrect (given back a physical body) from the dead, when they will hear the voice of God calling them and come forth.
John 5:28-29 (ASV)
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour cometh, in which all that are in the tombs shall hear his voice,
29 and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment.
Take note that Jesus said all that are in the grave; all includes saints and sinner alike.
Soul:
Greek Word: ÈÅÇή
Transliteration: psychē
Phonetic Pronunciation: psoo-khay'
Root: from <G5594>
Cross Reference: TDNT - 9:608,1342
Part of Speech: n f
Vine's Words: Doubt (be in; make to), Doubtful, Doubting, Heart, Heartily, Life, Living, Lifetime, Life-giving, Soul
from <G5594> (psucho); breath, i.e. (by implication) spirit, abstract or concrete (the animal sentient principle only; thus distinguished on the one hand from <G4151> (pneuma), which is the rational and immortal soul; and on the other from <G2222> (zoe), which is mere vitality, even of plants: these terms thus exactly correspond respectively to the Hebrew <H5315> (nephesh), <H7307> (ruwach) and <H2416> (chay)) :- heart (+ -ily), life, mind, soul, + us, + you.
â€â€Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary
Only human beings of all God’s physical creation has a psychē /spirit
Job 32:8 (ASV)
8 But there is a spirit in man, And the breath of the Almighty giveth them understanding.
The spirit in man/human beings is the same psychē that Jesus mentioned in Mathew 10:28.
Spirit:
Hebrew Word: â€Âרוּחַ‎
Transliteration: rûaḥ
Phonetic Pronunciation: roo'-akh
Root: from <H7306>
Cross Reference: TWOT - 2131a
Part of Speech: n f
Vine's Words: Spirit
from <H7306> (ruwach); wind; by resemblance breath, i.e. a sensible (or even violent) exhalation; figurative life, anger, unsubstantiality; by extensive a region of the sky; by resemblance spirit, but only of a rational being (including its expression and functions) :- air, anger, blast, breath, × cool, courage, mind, × quarter, × side, spirit ([-ual]), tempest, × vain, ([whirl-]) wind (-y).
â€â€Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary
The scriptures do not tell us that animals have a mind; they have a brain, but a brain does not mean that it has a mind. If they did, then that would mean that they were created in God’s image and the Bible tells us that only human beings were created in God’s image. God created mankind (man and woman) in His image, but what does that mean? It means that unlike animals, human beings have the ability to have a relationship both with each other and with God. Only human beings have the ability to receive the Holy Spirit because we have a mind or spirit that can unite with the Spirit or mind of God.
Romans 8:16 (ASV)
16 The Spirit himself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are children of God:
Spirit:
Greek Word: Àνεῦμα
Transliteration: pneuma
Phonetic Pronunciation: pnyoo'-mah
Root: from <G4154>
Cross Reference: TDNT - 6:332,876
Part of Speech: n n
Vine's Words: Breath, Breathe, Spirit, Wind
from <G4154> (pneo); a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figurative a spirit, i.e. (human) the rational soul, (by implicaiton) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, dæmon, or (divine) God, Christ's spirit, the Holy Spirit :- ghost, life, spirit (-ual, -ually), mind. Compare <G5590> (psuche).
â€â€Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary
The Bible never said that animals, any animal can or has any hope after death. An animal knows neither good or evil, in fact they have no self awareness; they are only able to act and react according to what happens around them because of the instinct that God placed in them.
The Bible through the Spirit of God should be our guide to spiritual truths, not personal opinions and sentiments.
Here is what the Bible has to about what we are.
Genesis 2:7 (ASV)
7 And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Psalms 74:19 (KJV)
19 O deliver not the soul of thy turtledove unto the multitude of the wicked: forget not the congregation of thy poor for ever.
In these two verses man (a human being) does not seem to be any different than that of an animal; the word soul here means a living thing that breath air or receives air in some form into it’s lungs in order to live, this would also include those in the sea and rivers.
Soul:
Hebrew Word: â€Âנֶפֶש×Â‎
Transliteration: nepesh
Phonetic Pronunciation: neh'-fesh
Root: from <H5314>
Cross Reference: TWOT - 1395a
Part of Speech: n f
Vine's Words: None
from <H5314> (naphash); properly a breathing creature, i.e. animal or (abstract) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental) :- any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, × dead (-ly), desire, × [dis-] contented, × fish, ghost, + greedy, he, heart (-y), (hath, × jeopardy of) life (× in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortally, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-) self, them (your) -selves, + slay, soul, + tablet, they, thing, (× she) will, × would have it.
â€â€Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary
But what does the New Testament have to tell us about what we are?
Matthew 10:28 (KJV)
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Here Jesus has revealed that we have something in addition to the body, which the Old Testament in the Hebrew is called nepesh. In this verse Jesus gives us more insight as to what we are; something that is in us that is called psychē. The word soul is used here as well, but pay no attention to this. I believe that the translators have erred in that some have used the one word “Soul†to translated not only two different words, but two different words from two different languages that means two different things.
It also important to understand for those who believe that this psychē cannot be destroyed, which is translated soul; Jesus is suggesting here that God will destroy not only the body in hell/fire, but the psychē as well. No one can destroy psychē except God and I believe He will in the end, after the white throne judgment, not to be confused with the second coming of Jesus. The white Throne Judgment is a different time period than when Jesus returns.
Ecclesiastes 12:7 (ASV)
7 and the dust returneth to the earth as it was, and the spirit returneth unto God who gave it.
Ecclesiastes 3:21 (ASV)
21 Who knoweth the spirit of man, whether it goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast, whether it goeth downward to the earth?
The spirit that is mentioned in Ecclesiastes 3 and 12 is translated from the Hebrew word rûah which means the mind with all its expressions.̣
I would also like to mention that as far as I can see from what is revealed in the scriptures, is that the dead in Christ are not in heaven. The Bible says that at death, saved or unsaved there spirit goes back to God. Some say the saints are in heaven, but it does not say that they are in heaven; it simply says the spirit goes back to God. They also say that heaven is wherever God is, but I see no scripture to support this. God is omnipresent, but the Bible does not tell me that heaven is omnipresent; the Bible tells me that heaven was created by God, just like everything else that He created, so there was a time when heaven did not exist, but God has always been.
I realize that some will use the scripture below to support that they believe that the dead saints are in heaven.
Revelation 6:9-11 (KJV)
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
This is a vision seen by John, and in this vision the spirits of the dead saints were seen under an alter. What is an alter? An alter is a place where animal sacrifice is burnt. The saints are God’s lambs who were in a sense sacrifice for what they believe, and God is about to avenge their death. Remember that Jesus said that He sent out His disciples as lambs among wolves. These are symbolic language being used to present a message. Jesus is also called the Lamb of God and He was sacrifice for the sin of the world. The Bible tells us that we will be like Jesus, so a part of being like Jesus is to experience some of the things that He went through.
The story of Lazarus and the rich man tells me that the saved and the unsaved are basically in the same place, but are separated by a chasma, because they are able to see and communicate with each other, but none from one side or the other are able get to the other side. Those who are on the side that Abraham is on are at peace and contentment, and those who are on the other side, where the rich man is on is in a state of fear, anguish and torment.
Luke 16:25-26 (KJV)
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
This place that the dead are seem to be a waiting place of some kind; they are all (those on either side) waiting to be resurrect (given back a physical body) from the dead, when they will hear the voice of God calling them and come forth.
John 5:28-29 (ASV)
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour cometh, in which all that are in the tombs shall hear his voice,
29 and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment.
Take note that Jesus said all that are in the grave; all includes saints and sinner alike.
Soul:
Greek Word: ÈÅÇή
Transliteration: psychē
Phonetic Pronunciation: psoo-khay'
Root: from <G5594>
Cross Reference: TDNT - 9:608,1342
Part of Speech: n f
Vine's Words: Doubt (be in; make to), Doubtful, Doubting, Heart, Heartily, Life, Living, Lifetime, Life-giving, Soul
from <G5594> (psucho); breath, i.e. (by implication) spirit, abstract or concrete (the animal sentient principle only; thus distinguished on the one hand from <G4151> (pneuma), which is the rational and immortal soul; and on the other from <G2222> (zoe), which is mere vitality, even of plants: these terms thus exactly correspond respectively to the Hebrew <H5315> (nephesh), <H7307> (ruwach) and <H2416> (chay)) :- heart (+ -ily), life, mind, soul, + us, + you.
â€â€Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary
Only human beings of all God’s physical creation has a psychē /spirit
Job 32:8 (ASV)
8 But there is a spirit in man, And the breath of the Almighty giveth them understanding.
The spirit in man/human beings is the same psychē that Jesus mentioned in Mathew 10:28.
Spirit:
Hebrew Word: â€Âרוּחַ‎
Transliteration: rûaḥ
Phonetic Pronunciation: roo'-akh
Root: from <H7306>
Cross Reference: TWOT - 2131a
Part of Speech: n f
Vine's Words: Spirit
from <H7306> (ruwach); wind; by resemblance breath, i.e. a sensible (or even violent) exhalation; figurative life, anger, unsubstantiality; by extensive a region of the sky; by resemblance spirit, but only of a rational being (including its expression and functions) :- air, anger, blast, breath, × cool, courage, mind, × quarter, × side, spirit ([-ual]), tempest, × vain, ([whirl-]) wind (-y).
â€â€Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary
The scriptures do not tell us that animals have a mind; they have a brain, but a brain does not mean that it has a mind. If they did, then that would mean that they were created in God’s image and the Bible tells us that only human beings were created in God’s image. God created mankind (man and woman) in His image, but what does that mean? It means that unlike animals, human beings have the ability to have a relationship both with each other and with God. Only human beings have the ability to receive the Holy Spirit because we have a mind or spirit that can unite with the Spirit or mind of God.
Romans 8:16 (ASV)
16 The Spirit himself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are children of God:
Spirit:
Greek Word: Àνεῦμα
Transliteration: pneuma
Phonetic Pronunciation: pnyoo'-mah
Root: from <G4154>
Cross Reference: TDNT - 6:332,876
Part of Speech: n n
Vine's Words: Breath, Breathe, Spirit, Wind
from <G4154> (pneo); a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figurative a spirit, i.e. (human) the rational soul, (by implicaiton) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, dæmon, or (divine) God, Christ's spirit, the Holy Spirit :- ghost, life, spirit (-ual, -ually), mind. Compare <G5590> (psuche).
â€â€Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary
The Bible never said that animals, any animal can or has any hope after death. An animal knows neither good or evil, in fact they have no self awareness; they are only able to act and react according to what happens around them because of the instinct that God placed in them.
The Bible through the Spirit of God should be our guide to spiritual truths, not personal opinions and sentiments.