[_ Old Earth _] What is wrong with cloning?

[arunangelo]

We are created in the image of God (who is love) (Gen. 1:27) and are a product of God’s love expressed through our parents union of love (Eph 5:25). Artificial insemination, in-vitro fertilization and cloning procedures therefore, dehumanize human reproduction, by taking the act of unitive love (Gen. 2:24) out of it and converting it into a purely cellular process. Furthermore, during in-vitro fertilization and cloning procedures, lethal violence is committed against many human beings, who (as embryos) are destroyed; thus breaking God’s commandment (Exodus 20:13). Some of these procedures also deprive the resultant human beings the dignity of knowing their origin (biological parents), causing them grave injustice and psychological trauma.

Unitive love, which is conjugal union in marriage, is inseparable from procreation, because, conjugal union’s physiological purpose is procreation. These procedures, therefore, dehumanizes unitive love. This causes division, divorce and turmoil. During therapeutic cloning, human beings are cloned, then killed in their embryonic stage and then their cells are harvested for medical use. This procedure, therefore, is one-step up in its evil intend compared to the other type of cloning.

Biologically, our humanity is determined by our genetic make up and not by our stage of development. Furthermore, an embryo is a stage in human development; just as infant, toddler, youth and adult are. Therefore, to justify killing of frozen embryos, which are doomed to die from being discarded, is similar to killing prisoners in the concentration camp for research, because they are doomed to die.

 

[armed2010]

Wow, are you really comparing embryos to Jews in concentration camps? Nazi arguments have come a long way.

 

[reznwerks]

We are created in the image of God (who is love) (Gen. 1:27) and are a product of God’s love expressed through our parents union of love (Eph 5:25). Artificial insemination, in-vitro fertilization and cloning procedures therefore, dehumanize human reproduction, by taking the act of unitive love (Gen. 2:24) out of it and converting it into a purely cellular process.
The bottom line is that it is a purely cellular process. The bottom line also is that humans reproduce all the time without the "love" aspect. To be more realistic I don't think anyone is thinking about the "love" aspect during the act of conjugation.

Furthermore, during in-vitro fertilization and cloning procedures, lethal violence is committed against many human beings, who (as embryos) are destroyed; thus breaking God’s commandment (Exodus 20:13).
How many embryos do you think are in one human at one time? Do you realize how many don't make it to the embryo stage for one reason or another?

Some of these procedures also deprive the resultant human beings the dignity of knowing their origin (biological parents), causing them grave injustice and psychological trauma.
This is a determination by you and nothing more.The fact we haven't reached this point you have assumed the consequence prematurely.

Unitive love, which is conjugal union in marriage, is inseparable from procreation, because, conjugal union’s physiological purpose is procreation.
Then if true, procreation is strictly lust and nothing more.In fact the lust aspect is totally missing. I would think God and Christians would welcome this state of affairs.

These procedures, therefore, dehumanizes unitive love. This causes division, divorce and turmoil.
Again an unproven hypothesis since we have not successfully cloned humans.

During therapeutic cloning, human beings are cloned, then killed in their embryonic stage and then their cells are harvested for medical use.
Whole humans are not being cloned and then killed. Stem cells are being harvested for some point in the future when organs will be able to be reproduced in order to cure the person in question. Whole humans are not being reproduced in order to harvest a kidney and the technology does not exist to do so. It should be possible in the near future to recreate needed body organs but nothing more.
This procedure, therefore, is one-step up in its evil intend compared to the other type of cloning.

Biologically, our humanity is determined by our genetic make up and not by our stage of development. Furthermore, an embryo is a stage in human development; just as infant, toddler, youth and adult are.
I don't think you can classify an embryo in it's earliest development as "human" any more than you can classify sperm and eggs as human.

Therefore, to justify killing of frozen embryos, which are doomed to die from being discarded, is similar to killing prisoners in the concentration camp for research, because they are doomed to die.
Lets be realistic. Humans that already exists are of value. Embryos that are not human and are going to be tossed out are not of value. Now if these embryos can alleviate pain and suffering for those that are human why not take advantage of it. Do you really think it better for people to die early and suffer for years if that can be changed? I think a loving God would admire his creation for not wasting somthing that would help themselves.

 

[UKholylady]

thumbs up to reznwerk's answer

 

[Windozer]

We are created in the image of God (who is love)

We are? Take a look around? Is that what God is like? If it is please let me off of this world? Adam and Eve were the only ones created the rest of us were born, and there was something wrong with that because we need to be born again.

 

[peace4all]

great answer rezn.

 

[ArtGuy]

This whole debate is rendered somewhat moot by the fact that we have access to adult stem cells, which continue to make incredible leaps, and show evidence of being nearly as useful and versatile as stem cells. If we have an inarguable moral and uncontroversial means of acheiving the same end, why the heck aren't we taking advantage of it? It's like debating whether it's moral for a starving man to steal bread from a rich man when there's a guy on the sidelines giving away bread for free.