What they leave, the beasts shall eat

[T. E. Smith]

"And six years thou shalt sow thy land... But the seventh year thou shalt let it rest and lie still; that the poor of thy people may eat: and what they leave the beasts of the field shall eat. In like manner thou shalt deal with thy vineyard, and with thy olive yard." — Exodus 23:10-11

This scripture considers the poor of thy people, but more interestingly, the beasts of the field. It takes an enlightened spirit to have this type of compassion not just to the poor but to the wild animals.

"And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger." — Leviticus 19:10

Here we also have a regard for the "stranger", the foreigner, the immigrant - the person whom many modern Republicans want to exclude from America.

 

[jasonc]

"And six years thou shalt sow thy land... But the seventh year thou shalt let it rest and lie still; that the poor of thy people may eat: and what they leave the beasts of the field shall eat. In like manner thou shalt deal with thy vineyard, and with thy olive yard." — Exodus 23:10-11

This scripture considers the poor of thy people, but more interestingly, the beasts of the field. It takes an enlightened spirit to have this type of compassion not just to the poor but to the wild animals.

"And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger." — Leviticus 19:10

Here we also have a regard for the "stranger", the foreigner, the immigrant - the person whom many modern Republicans want to exclude from America.

No and isreal and borders and you couldn't be uncircumcised living in isreal.

Since I work with immigrants who have at times little to no English skills imagine a whole state breaking way from the union to join Mexico or country if origin .

The left would flip as unless you are able and it's not easy to learn and be immersed in two or more cultures.i personally know a man who can read the Bible in Korean , Spanish and English and speak those .

Yet he agreed that in this case those don't integregrate in the u.s.they form enclaves

 

[Northman]

If you are going to want America to run off OT rules then you need to understand that sojourners have no path to becoming part of the local political process to change/shape the culture of the place they visit, which is a clearly intended portion of the modern migration campaign.

 

[T. E. Smith]

If you are going to want America to run off OT rules

Hardly! America would probably collapse within a year, if we tried to legislate the whole Torah. No, I'm saying that for its many faults, the Torah does care for sojourners.

• You shall not wrong a sojourner or oppress him, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt.
• You shall not oppress a sojourner. You know the heart of a sojourner, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt.
• When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong.
• These six cities shall be for refuge for the people of Israel, and for the stranger and for the sojourner among them, that anyone who kills any person without intent may flee there.
• If your brother becomes poor and cannot maintain himself with you, you shall support him as though he were a stranger and a sojourner, and he shall live with you.
  • Makes no sense unless sojourners and foreigners were well-cared for.
• Love the sojourner, therefore, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt.
• You shall not oppress a hired servant who is poor and needy, whether he is one of your brothers or one of the sojourners who are in your land within your towns.
• You shall have the same rule for the sojourner and for the native, for I am the Lord your God.
• You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.

(ESV)
All these separate verses are remarkably consistent, considering how poorly the Bible was edited. They stand in direct conflict with modern anti-immigrationism.

sojourners have no path to becoming part of the local political process to change/shape the culture of the place they visit, which is a clearly intended portion of the modern migration campaign.

How does the Torah suggest that?

 

[Northman]

• You shall not wrong a sojourner or oppress him, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt.
• You shall not oppress a sojourner. You know the heart of a sojourner, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt.
• When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong.
• These six cities shall be for refuge for the people of Israel, and for the stranger and for the sojourner among them, that anyone who kills any person without intent may flee there.
• If your brother becomes poor and cannot maintain himself with you, you shall support him as though he were a stranger and a sojourner, and he shall live with you.
  • Makes no sense unless sojourners and foreigners were well-cared for.
• Love the sojourner, therefore, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt.
• You shall not oppress a hired servant who is poor and needy, whether he is one of your brothers or one of the sojourners who are in your land within your towns.
• You shall have the same rule for the sojourner and for the native, for I am the Lord your God.
• You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.

(ESV)
All these separate verses are remarkably consistent, considering how poorly the Bible was edited. They stand in direct conflict with modern anti-immigrationism.

I don't ever disagree with what the bible says, only what people say it says or what they assert it to be in conflict with. I find it to be dishonourable to try and paint a picture that portrays ancient sojourners in the same landscape as the modern version of migration.

How does the Torah suggest that?

The Torah does not allow for a sojourner to become either king or high priest. Are you able to find any piece of scripture denoting even a single sojourner deigned with the office of prophet?

The main issue is that it was God himself that separated the peoples of the world into what they are. The story lies in the Tower of Babel. It's a literal curse, not going to be undone by any collection of human effort. The "diversity" plan is just that, trying to find a way to circumvent that curse and get all peoples of all cultures living under one law. God is not going to allow that, just like He hasn't so far, but that doesn't mean lives don't get lost on this folly.

At some point in the conversation it devolves into the unanswerable(by a certain political stripe). That question is, if immigration is always good and immigrants are generally always a net-positive for society, why in the world was migration to every corner of Africa and Asia by Europeans shut down? What did they learn in that time that was just a few years ago that some seem to have forgotten?