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[Jman96]

Hi, so I was wondering if I could have Someone who would be interested in sharing a verse and maybe having a conversation on the resurrection. I heard that in the three days before Jesus rose from the grave he went to hell and did something? I also am a little fuzzy on details and I thought they would be fun to go over with Someone. If you happen to know the location where this is mentioned please let me know.




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[thethinkingrebel]

Hi, so I was wondering if I could have Someone who would be interested in sharing a verse and maybe having a conversation on the resurrection. I heard that in the three days before Jesus rose from the grave he went to hell and did something? I also am a little fuzzy on details and I thought they would be fun to go over with Someone. If you happen to know the location where this is mentioned please let me know.




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Yes this is a common misconception spread around by pastors and traditionalist scholars.

They tend to use the KJV which instead correctly translating Sheol, Hades and Gehenna..just uses Hell for all three.

This idea is also use in the catholic church in their creed..which means i used to repeat this weekly before i left.

Jesus really descended into Hades. But..read it as death. Jesus said he has the keys to death and Hades. When he died..he rose again, defeating death. This opened the way for all to rise again. To some this resurrection will mean the second death..to others it will mean eternal life.

Believing that Jesus descended into hell hinges on some propositions:

1. Hell is a real place that is currently in existence.

2. People are currently in hell. (ephesians 4)

3. Hades is hell.

If these points are backed up scripturally (beyond the KJV) then there may be a case. But if one reads a modern translation or even a literal one from 100 years ago, there is little evidence that he went anywhere near it. Besides, my theology finds the idea laughable. My view is that Jesus defeated death when he descended into Hades. Nothing to do with Hell. Why would he go there (even if hell existed)?

Very odd. I cant even find a supporting verse beyond ephesians 4.

*[[Eph 4:8-10]] HNV* Therefore he says, "When he ascended on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts to men." Now this, "He ascended," what is it but that he also first descended into the lower parts of the earth? He who descended is the one who also ascended far above all the heavens, that he might fill all things.

But all this means is Sheol/Hades. Ancient Israelites believed that Sheol was under the ground. Do a concordance search for Sheol and you will see, Sheol is always referred to as being downward.

So It seems to me the same. Gehenna (hell) is seen as a lake, something to be thrown into.

Theres no real comparison. Jesus did not descend into traditionalist hell.

 

[thethinkingrebel]

Ah found it! This is the verse that says Jesus was in hell:

*[[Act 2:31]] KJV* He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

It really is a case of bad translation:

*[[Act 2:31]] WEB* he foreseeing this spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that neither was his soul left in Hades, nor did his flesh see decay.

All it means is God did not leave Jesus dead..thats it. Its referring to the resurrection.

*[[Act 2:32]] WEB* This Jesus God raised up, to which we all are witnesses.

Read the chapter..get context and I think you will see it has nothing to do with Hell.

 

[Damascus]

(1 Peter 3:18-19 NIV) [18] For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, [19] through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison.

True, Hell did not exist, and will not exist until the Judgment is fulfilled. However...

(Luke 16:19-31 NIV) [19] "There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. [20] At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores [21] and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
[22] "The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. [23] In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. [24] So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
[25] "But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. [26] And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'
[27] "He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, [28] for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'
[29] "Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'
[30] "'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'
[31] "He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.'"

Let us not forget the residing places of the righteous and the sinners before the resurrection.

(Matthew 8:28-29 NIV) [28] When he arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. [29] "What do you want with us, Son of God?" they shouted. "Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?"

(2 Peter 2:4 NIV) For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;

Some believe that Jesus went to hell and suffered, but that is entirely unbiblical. He went to the righteous dead and preached to them that He had broken the gates and paid their ransom, so to speak. By death, He conquered death.

The dead are not in some 'soul sleep', the dead are either in a 'small paradise', the Bosom of Abraham, or within Sheol, the dungeons, awaiting the last judgment.

The Spirit of the Lord God is upon Me, because the Lord has anointed Me to preach good tidings to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to those who are bound. (Isaiah 61:1)

 

[Jman96]

Thanks for all the replies, this is now clearing things up and makes much more sense than where I started.


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