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What were the crimes for which Jesus was tried?

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pointus

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What were the crimes for which Jesus was arrested, tried and convicted to be crucified on the cross? Do you think he was innocent or guilty of said crimes?

What is your opinion regarding the conviction of the innocent for crimes they could not have committed?
 
What is it, that you are getting at? Are you referring to original sin or a specific event in the Old Testament?
 
Gabriel Ali said:
What is it, that you are getting at? Are you referring to original sin or a specific event in the Old Testament?


No, I am not referring to events in the OT, nor original sin. The question is plain enough. Why was Jesus killed? What crimes was he tried for and do you think he was quilty of the crimes for which he was tried? Is this not plain and simple enough?
 
pointus said:
Gabriel Ali said:
What is it, that you are getting at? Are you referring to original sin or a specific event in the Old Testament?


No, I am not referring to events in the OT, nor original sin. The question is plain enough. Why was Jesus killed? What crimes was he tried for and do you think he was quilty of the crimes for which he was tried? Is this not plain and simple enough?


Apparently, we Christians do not read the Bible.....but i'm sure it's in there somewhere.

If those are the questions you truly want answered (something which i highly doubt), then google it. Is that not plain and simple enough for you?
 
pointus said:
What were the crimes for which Jesus was arrested, tried and convicted to be crucified on the cross? Do you think he was innocent or guilty of said crimes?

What is your opinion regarding the conviction of the innocent for crimes they could not have committed?

In truth, from what I have come to read and well learn of the times in which Jesus walked, this is what I believe he was convicted for. Though NOT necessarily guilty of. Seeing as I do believe Jesus was God's perfect lamb sent here to earth to die for all of mankind.

Jesus spoke of Himself as the Messiah. To the Jewish religious leaders (Pharisees and Sadducees), this was not only not possible...but improbible. To them perhaps it was as if Jesus declared Himself God, or what He truly was...of God. With how devout these people were to tradition and the laws Moses gave them this was something of which could have quickly gotten a person stoned to death.

Jesus also in light of saying such things was possibly also thought one of which rebelled or sought to encourage the Jewish populous to overthrow their current Roman rulers. This in itself at least in terms of Roman officials could have been seen as acts of treason. If not that, then in short....Jesus was a political threat. This again affected the Sadducees and Pharisees. Seeing as some of these were in high or close standings with the Roman soldiers and officials.

There could be countless other reasons as well. This is more or less my basic thoughts in a nut shell.

May God Bless You

Danielle
 
Gabriel Ali said:
Apparently, we Christians do not read the Bible.....but i'm sure it's in there somewhere.

Gabriel I sincerely hope you are not implying that Christians do not read the Bible. Though I will not deny a good number of us do not read it as often as we should, I have no doubt some of us have a real passion to seek to try to follow after God's word.

May God Bless You

Danielle
 
LostLamb said:
Gabriel Ali said:
Apparently, we Christians do not read the Bible.....but i'm sure it's in there somewhere.

Gabriel I sincerely hope you are not implying that Christians do not read the Bible. Though I will not deny a good number of us do not read it as often as we should, I have no doubt some of us have a real passion to seek to try to follow after God's word.

May God Bless You

Danielle

Danielle, read my post again. I think it's obvious to most, that i was not suggesting anything of the sought. Once again; please try to understand my posts before replying.
 
Its a simple matter :)

Mat 26:59 Now the chief priests and the whole council sought false witness against Jesus, that they might put him to death;
Mat 26:60 and they found it not, though many false witnesses came. But afterward came two,
Mat 26:61 and said, This man said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days.
Mat 26:62 And the high priest stood up, and said unto him, Answerest thou nothing? what is it which these witness against thee?
Mat 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou art the Christ, the Son of God.
Mat 26:64 Jesus said unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Henceforth ye shall see the Son of man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.
Mat 26:65 Then the high priest rent his garments, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy: what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard the blasphemy:
Mat 26:66 what think ye? They answered and said, He is worthy of death.

They needed two witnesses, because that was the Law. Both said Jesus would destroy the temple and rebuild it in three days.

The false witnesses said He would "build it in three days, but Jesus did not say that , He said: Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

That was true, because He was talking of His physical body,which the Bible tells us is a temple. Joh 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

He did raise it up , in three days.

He is the Son of God, so He spoke the truth to the high priest as well. They were too blind to recognize Him. So there He is innocent as well.

Innocent on both counts.
 
Gabriel Ali said:
Danielle, read my post again. I think it's obvious to most, that i was not suggesting anything of the sought. Once again; please try to understand my posts before replying.

Forgive me Gabriel. After rereading it though, even if implied only to emphasize a point to another member here...that post was a bit harsh. Then it could be just my prenatal hormones talking. Nonetheless, I appologize for misquoting you in any way.
 
Cornelius said:
Its a simple matter :)

Mat 26:59 Now the chief priests and the whole council sought false witness against Jesus, that they might put him to death;
Mat 26:60 and they found it not, though many false witnesses came. But afterward came two,
Mat 26:61 and said, This man said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days.
Mat 26:62 And the high priest stood up, and said unto him, Answerest thou nothing? what is it which these witness against thee?
Mat 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou art the Christ, the Son of God.
Mat 26:64 Jesus said unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Henceforth ye shall see the Son of man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.
Mat 26:65 Then the high priest rent his garments, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy: what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard the blasphemy:
Mat 26:66 what think ye? They answered and said, He is worthy of death.

They needed two witnesses, because that was the Law. Both said Jesus would destroy the temple and rebuild it in three days.

The false witnesses said He would "build it in three days, but Jesus did not say that , He said: Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

That was true, because He was talking of His physical body,which the Bible tells us is a temple. Joh 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

He did raise it up , in three days.

He is the Son of God, so He spoke the truth to the high priest as well. They were too blind to recognize Him. So there He is innocent as well.

Innocent on both counts.



Given that you claim Jesus was innocent of the charges, if you were standing in the crowd at his trial, you you have been calling for his exoneration or his conviction?

Would you have been calling for his conviction, knowing that his death was vital for your salvation? What do you feel about knowingly convicting someone you know is innocent of the crimes he's been charged with?
 
Christ was 'tried and convicted' for TEACHING the TRUTH. And YES, He was MOST certainly 'guilty' of this according to the WORLD that chose to convict Him.

MEC
 
Imagican said:
Christ was 'tried and convicted' for TEACHING the TRUTH. And YES, He was MOST certainly 'guilty' of this according to the WORLD that chose to convict Him.

MEC

Interesting! What Truths did Jesus teach?

If you had been one of his companions 2000 years ago, or if you had been an ordinary Jew not familiar with the core of Jesus's teachings and if you were a member of the trial jury (this is just a rhetorical device) how would you have found in the charge againts him?

To simply matters, consider you were the Apostle Peter, would you have been calling for his exoneration or his conviction?

Since you say he was "guilty" of teaching the Truth presumably you would have been in agreement with his conviction and eventual punishment. As a descent human being, how do you feel about convicting someone for telling a good Truth. (as opposed to the truth a murderer reveals by confessing his crimes)?
 
pointus said:
Cornelius said:
Its a simple matter :)

Mat 26:59 Now the chief priests and the whole council sought false witness against Jesus, that they might put him to death;
Mat 26:60 and they found it not, though many false witnesses came. But afterward came two,
Mat 26:61 and said, This man said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days.
Mat 26:62 And the high priest stood up, and said unto him, Answerest thou nothing? what is it which these witness against thee?
Mat 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou art the Christ, the Son of God.
Mat 26:64 Jesus said unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Henceforth ye shall see the Son of man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.
Mat 26:65 Then the high priest rent his garments, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy: what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard the blasphemy:
Mat 26:66 what think ye? They answered and said, He is worthy of death.

They needed two witnesses, because that was the Law. Both said Jesus would destroy the temple and rebuild it in three days.

The false witnesses said He would "build it in three days, but Jesus did not say that , He said: Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

That was true, because He was talking of His physical body,which the Bible tells us is a temple. Joh 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

He did raise it up , in three days.

He is the Son of God, so He spoke the truth to the high priest as well. They were too blind to recognize Him. So there He is innocent as well.

Innocent on both counts.



Given that you claim Jesus was innocent of the charges, if you were standing in the crowd at his trial, you you have been calling for his exoneration or his conviction?

Would you have been calling for his conviction, knowing that his death was vital for your salvation? What do you feel about knowingly convicting someone you know is innocent of the crimes he's been charged with?

If I were not under the grace of God, I would have condemned Him to death with the others.I too, like Peter, would have denied Him.

We cannot "do" the "right" thing out of our own "goodness" . I am not better than another. God just had grace upon me and I really do not know why. I am certain of one thing: I did not deserve it at all, nor does it make me feel superior or better than somebody who does not believe.

So again: I most probably would have condemned Him with the rest.

C
 
Cornelius said:
pointus said:
Cornelius said:
Its a simple matter :)

Mat 26:59 Now the chief priests and the whole council sought false witness against Jesus, that they might put him to death;
Mat 26:60 and they found it not, though many false witnesses came. But afterward came two,
Mat 26:61 and said, This man said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days.
Mat 26:62 And the high priest stood up, and said unto him, Answerest thou nothing? what is it which these witness against thee?
Mat 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou art the Christ, the Son of God.
Mat 26:64 Jesus said unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Henceforth ye shall see the Son of man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.
Mat 26:65 Then the high priest rent his garments, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy: what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard the blasphemy:
Mat 26:66 what think ye? They answered and said, He is worthy of death.

They needed two witnesses, because that was the Law. Both said Jesus would destroy the temple and rebuild it in three days.

The false witnesses said He would "build it in three days, but Jesus did not say that , He said: Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

That was true, because He was talking of His physical body,which the Bible tells us is a temple. Joh 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

He did raise it up , in three days.

He is the Son of God, so He spoke the truth to the high priest as well. They were too blind to recognize Him. So there He is innocent as well.

Innocent on both counts.



Given that you claim Jesus was innocent of the charges, if you were standing in the crowd at his trial, you you have been calling for his exoneration or his conviction?

Would you have been calling for his conviction, knowing that his death was vital for your salvation? What do you feel about knowingly convicting someone you know is innocent of the crimes he's been charged with?

If I were not under the grace of God, I would have condemned Him to death with the others.I too, like Peter, would have denied Him.

We cannot "do" the "right" thing out of our own "goodness" . I am not better than another. God just had grace upon me and I really do not know why. I am certain of one thing: I did not deserve it at all, nor does it make me feel superior or better than somebody who does not believe.

So again: I most probably would have condemned Him with the rest.

C


So you would have condemned him with the full knowledge that you were convicting an innocent man? Does this NOT sound bizarre and absurd to you?
 
pointus said:
So you would have condemned him with the full knowledge that you were convicting an innocent man? Does this NOT sound bizarre and absurd to you?

Not really, the Scribes and Pharisees also knew He was innocent , and yet they still went ahead and convicted Him. Even after His resurrection, they fabricated a story to cover up his resurrection , knowing full well, by the report of the soldiers, that He indeed rose from the dead. They KNEW He was the Christ and STILL went ahead with their lies.

Human nature ..........they loved their positions in the religious system too much to give it up, even for the Son of God.

Why would I have been any different ? Why do you find it bizarre ?
 
So you would have condemned him with the full knowledge that you were convicting an innocent man? Does this NOT sound bizarre and absurd to you?[/quote]



How does this sound to you pointus?
 
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