What Would You Do

[abide]

The US general election has caused people to voiced their opinions on both candidates running in the presidential race..
I don't live in the USA so I am not aware of everything that is going on.

What is amazing is the constant reference of Trump and his failed marriages. Many point out his moral failures etc. What I would like to know whether those who condemn him are squeaky clean in their lives .I would bet my last dollar that many who are condemning him would shame the demons in hell with their behaviour. Don't get me wrong his past behaviour is nothing to be proud of...BUT I think instead of focussing on what he has done, one should focus on what he has promised to do.

There are many who are members of churches who are committing adultery, no one knows EXCEPT God, but they look Christian and yet their lives secretly say something else.
The great men of the bible had their flaws. YET God used them in a powerful way. David was an adulterer and God said he was a man after his own heart. David committed adultery and kill the woman's husband which was murder..BUT he repented Trump has apologised publicly for what he did and I think it is not the right thing to keep bringing up his past. People should give him the benefit of the doubt. We are admonished in the bible to pray for leaders and IF he becomes President it will be the duty of Christians in the USA to pray for him.

What would you do IF a prostitute had come into your church and one of the men in the church decided to marry her. Would you as a member say ..DON'T MARRY HER....SHE FREQUENTED THE RED LIGHT DISTRICT. Rahab was one of those women.

Paul in the book of Acts before he met Jesus, took men to the high priest, and killed others. I am sure if he were here and the circumstances were the same I probably would be scared of him thinking he cannot be trusted after what his past revealed.

What I can say is I would rather see the sins of someone in the open than to have someone who is scheming and lying. Deception is serious... a wolf in sheep's clothing is still a wolf.

 

[reba]

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I'm not so sure.
I've been saying all along that we are missing the point and I feel as though I am standing alone.
Daniel 4:17;
"The decision is announced by messengers, the holy ones declare the verdict, so that the living may know that the Most High is sovereign over the kingdoms of men and gives them to anyone he wishes and sets over them the lowliest of men".

Daniel 4:35;
"All the peoples of the Earth are regarded as nothing. He does as he pleases with the powers of heaven and the peoples of the Earth. No one can hold back his hand or say to him, what have you done?"

God will choose who he wants and we have no right to question him.
Scripture says so.

 

[reba]

God will choose who he wants and we have no right to question him.
Scripture says so.

I agree Rollo Tamasi .. I also believe i should be the best citizen i can be,,, IMO putting God/HisWord first in my life i can not endorse ideals that are against Scripture... Sometimes that means choosing the lesser of two evils which i hate..

The Scripture also says the church should be talking care of the widows and fatherless it dose not say " Christians let the government do it...

Maybe this example will give others a inside to my thoughts ( as if you care)
When we get a new puppy we take care of who and what it is fed...we want the pup to grow up understanding we are where his sustenance comes from... In the USA we a couple generations now who believe the government grants them sustenance... We have food at schools kids depending on government instead of parents... ( dont bother to give me the line i want kids to go hungry) we use schools to socialize or kids... we let TV teach our children,,,,

 

[Wrg1405]

The Scripture also says the church should be talking care of the widows and fatherless it dose not say " Christians let the government do it...

Amen. We need to get a handle on this as individuals and a corporate body.

Well said Reba.

 

[th1b.taylor]

The US general election has caused people to voiced their opinions on both candidates running in the presidential race..
I don't live in the USA so I am not aware of everything that is going on.

What is amazing is the constant reference of Trump and his failed marriages. Many point out his moral failures etc. What I would like to know whether those who condemn him are squeaky clean in their lives .I would bet my last dollar that many who are condemning him would shame the demons in hell with their behaviour. Don't get me wrong his past behaviour is nothing to be proud of...BUT I think instead of focussing on what he has done, one should focus on what he has promised to do.

There are many who are members of churches who are committing adultery, no one knows EXCEPT God, but they look Christian and yet their lives secretly say something else.
The great men of the bible had their flaws. YET God used them in a powerful way. David was an adulterer and God said he was a man after his own heart. David committed adultery and kill the woman's husband which was murder..BUT he repented Trump has apologised publicly for what he did and I think it is not the right thing to keep bringing up his past. People should give him the benefit of the doubt. We are admonished in the bible to pray for leaders and IF he becomes President it will the duty of Christians in the USA to pray for him.

What would you do IF a prostitute had come into your church and one of the men in the church decided to marry her. Would you as a member say ..DON'T MARRY HER....SHE FREQUENTED THE RIGHT LIGHT DISTRICT. Rahab was one of those women.

Paul in the book of Acts before he met Jesus, took men to the high priest, and killed others. I am sure if he were here and the circumstances were the same I probably would be scared of him thinking he cannot be trusted after what his past revealed.

What I can say is I would rather see the sins of someone in the open than to have someone who is scheming and lying. Deception is serious... a wolf in sheep's clothing is still a wolf.

I wish you did reside here but that aside, the Self-righteous of our nation, many having never cracked the Bible open, are a sweeping movement in this nation, today. One of them, on these forums, knows that Mr. Trump has publicly prayed the sinner's prayer in a public situation and still slanders him, trying to convense others of us to vote for Hillery, the baby killer. We are in deep trouble and Satan is busy.

 

[reba]

lets see if we can keep this thread away from going completely pro or con this camp or that one... admin
do not reply to this post in this thread..

 

[WIP]

I think one's past can be a window on one's future unless there has been an amazing change in their lives. The problem is, accusation is not necessarily truth. I can accuse you of evil doing and I don't even know who you are. Would my accusation be truth just because I make it? This is one of the BIG problems with social websites like FB. People easily spread false rumors and accusation faster than ever before making it nearly impossible to know truth from lies. Personally, I think it is disgusting and I do my best to scroll right past that junk.

From what I've seen of the candidates themselves, Mr. Trump has a big mouth loaded with arrogance and disrespect. In truth, my politics align with what he has presented more than his strongest opponent but in my opinion he is not qualified to have the power of the presidency of the United States, commander-in-chief of our military, and to be the representative of the people of the United States to the world. I truly fear what would lay ahead for our country if he is elected. What's worse is, if he is elected, what does that say about we the people? This is really scary stuff!

Conversely, although I believe she is probably more qualified to be the president than Mr. Trump, I am too far away from Mrs. Clinton politically to even consider voting for her. She's pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, too soft on world politics, and too much pro-government. What I fear from her is the direction our country could go domestically.

So, with Mr. Trump we could face trouble from outside our borders and from Mrs. Clinton I fear trouble from within. I don't see either as a viable option so I am forced to look at other candidates.

 

[Wrg1405]

I really don't envy you guys.

Over here in the U.K. Public opinion is that you seem to have to pick the best of the worst. Whether that is true or not I don't know. What I have observed though is that both candidates are more concerned with character assassination of each other. Maybe over here we just see the worst of the debates.

That doesn't tend to happen over here. Us bits a quite reserved. Political debates tend to focus on the economy and civil rights of which all parties will disagree on. That's what is attacked.

However I would say that over here we do have to vote for the best of the worst.

With regards to the economy most people would have no idea what is right and what is not. The economy revolves around economics and unless you have studied economics you won't have a clue. Most people are self minded will probably lean towards the side of the promise of more cash in your pocket and those more socially minded will vote for the party who promises better public services but mainly if does not affect their take home pay. Tax the rich to pay for it and not me. Having studied many years ago a high level of economics I can see both sides of what works and what doesn't.

For me the best of the worst is having to vote vote for a party concerning their civil rights agenda.

WIP makes a very important point concerning HC, pro-abortion, pro gay marriage. No mention of DT position on this.

Over here the 3 main political parties are like HC. Yes the mainstream church tries to stand up but how can it when it is ordaining gay clergy and considering performing gay marriage. I feel soon it will split into two.

When I started my law studies I remember the first thing we looked at which was our constitutional rights and what was expected of us as citizens of the UK. The lecturer got very emotional when it came to our right to cast a vote. It's a right that we have at a great cost. The cost of men who died in wars to preserve our freedom and right to vote and for the women who died and fought so hard (suffragettes) for women to have the vote.

I remember he said "Never waste your right and privilege to vote, people died and suffered for that privilege"

So I never waste my vote.

As Paul states

Romans 13:1-6

Submission to Governing Authorities
Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established.

The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority?

Then do what is right and you will be commended. For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing.

 

[abide]

I think one's past can be a window on one's future unless there has been an amazing change in their lives. The problem is, accusation is not necessarily truth. I can accuse you of evil doing and I don't even know who you are. Would my accusation be truth just because I make it? This is one of the BIG problems with social websites like FB. People easily spread false rumors and accusation faster than ever before making it nearly impossible to know truth from lies. Personally, I think it is disgusting and I do my best to scroll right past that junk.

From what I've seen of the candidates themselves, Mr. Trump has a big mouth loaded with arrogance and disrespect. In truth, my politics align with what he has presented more than his strongest opponent but in my opinion he is not qualified to have the power of the presidency of the United States, commander-in-chief of our military, and to be the representative of the people of the United States to the world. I truly fear what would lay ahead for our country if he is elected. What's worse is, if he is elected, what does that say about we the people? This is really scary stuff!

Conversely, although I believe she is probably more qualified to be the president than Mr. Trump, I am too far away from Mrs. Clinton politically to even consider voting for her. She's pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, too soft on world politics, and too much pro-government. What I fear from her is the direction our country could go domestically.

So, with Mr. Trump we could face trouble from outside our borders and from Mrs. Clinton I fear trouble from within. I don't see either as a viable option so I am forced to look at other candidates.

in my opinion he is not qualified to have the power of the presidency of the United States, commander-in-chief of our military, and to be the representative of the people of the United States to the world

Who would you recommend WIP? Since all humans are flawed...who would be your choice.

 

[WIP]

What I have observed though is that both candidates are more concerned with character assassination of each other. Maybe over here we just see the worst of the debates.

No you haven't. You've described it correctly in my opinion. They do that because that's what we the voters generally like to see. What we forget is the candidates are applying for a job and we are the ones doing the hiring. We need to stop voting the party and start voting for the candidate that best represents our interests.

 

[WIP]

in my opinion he is not qualified to have the power of the presidency of the United States, commander-in-chief of our military, and to be the representative of the people of the United States to the world

Who would you recommend WIP? Since all humans are flawed...who would be your choice.

Someone a little more reserved who can engage his/her brain ahead of his/her mouth. I honestly believe that if he gets into office we could find ourselves in serious hot water with other nations without good reason. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[abide]

Someone a little more reserved who can engage his/her brain ahead of his/her mouth. I honestly believe that if he gets into office we could find ourselves in serious hot water with other nations without good reason. I hope I'm wrong.

As far as I understand, the world needs America more than America needs the world.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

As far as I understand, the world needs America more than America needs the world.

The world needs Jesus Christ but our country doesn't offer him to anyone.

 

[th1b.taylor]

As far as I understand, the world needs America more than America needs the world.

Yes mam and we are conspicuously absent.

 

[reba]

The world needs Jesus Christ but our country doesn't offer him to anyone.

To many in this country sacrifice the blood of the innocent...

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

To many in this country sacrifice the blood of the innocent...

Yes, but we as serious Christians must always remember not to compromise our faith for anyone or anything.
Live our lives in such a way that we are ready to defend and proclaim the Gospel whenever possible.

 

[abide]

The world needs Jesus Christ but our country doesn't offer him to anyone.

The world needs Jesus but in the meantime governments will be ruling. Very soon the kingdoms of this world will soon become the kingdoms of our Lord. I pray for that day.

 

[abide]

I really don't envy you guys.

Over here in the U.K. Public opinion is that you seem to have to pick the best of the worst. Whether that is true or not I don't know. What I have observed though is that both candidates are more concerned with character assassination of each other. Maybe over here we just see the worst of the debates.

That doesn't tend to happen over here. Us bits a quite reserved. Political debates tend to focus on the economy and civil rights of which all parties will disagree on. That's what is attacked.

However I would say that over here we do have to vote for the best of the worst.

With regards to the economy most people would have no idea what is right and what is not. The economy revolves around economics and unless you have studied economics you won't have a clue. Most people are self minded will probably lean towards the side of the promise of more cash in your pocket and those more socially minded will vote for the party who promises better public services but mainly if does not affect their take home pay. Tax the rich to pay for it and not me. Having studied many years ago a high level of economics I can see both sides of what works and what doesn't.

For me the best of the worst is having to vote vote for a party concerning their civil rights agenda.

WIP makes a very important point concerning HC, pro-abortion, pro gay marriage. No mention of DT position on this.

Over here the 3 main political parties are like HC. Yes the mainstream church tries to stand up but how can it when it is ordaining gay clergy and considering performing gay marriage. I feel soon it will split into two.

When I started my law studies I remember the first thing we looked at which was our constitutional rights and what was expected of us as citizens of the UK. The lecturer got very emotional when it came to our right to cast a vote. It's a right that we have at a great cost. The cost of men who died in wars to preserve our freedom and right to vote and for the women who died and fought so hard (suffragettes) for women to have the vote.

I remember he said "Never waste your right and privilege to vote, people died and suffered for that privilege"

So I never waste my vote.

As Paul states

Romans 13:1-6

Submission to Governing Authorities
Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established.

The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority?

Then do what is right and you will be commended. For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing.

Very well said

 

[JohnDB]

As far as I understand, the world needs America more than America needs the world.

That is actually a pretty good assessment of the situation. Between the American dollars and economy and the sheer volume of food grown as well as other commodities we may have 25% of the world population but 2/3 of the groceries and world economy comes from this nation.
It's rather obscene as to the variety of foods and jobs we have here...and the ease to survive in this nation by comparison to other places. The median standard of living here is easy enough to obtain by far comparison to places like Brazil, Honduras, or Europe and that standard is luxurious by comparison.

At midnight i can go out and get some ice cream...I don't even have to travel to anywhere but a kilometer away. And it won't be expensive either. Maybe 1/32 of a Day's wages. (If that much) and it's top quality stuff too. I'll drive my full size truck, car, SUV there and purchase it. No big deal...no little car like is popular in all other countries.

We Yanks don't even know half of the luxury we have anymore. So when our politicians reflect this it's kinda obvious.