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What's YOUR view on Unity

destiny said:
I agree, lovely.. but the leadership was the problem in the church we came out of. It was either get with their program or leave. A lot of the members knew what the problem was but were too fearful to speak out against it. So fear played a big part in the wrong doing also. They were brainswashed into thinking they were being unloving and divisive if they complained or said anything negative. Another lie that was used to control was, "touch not the anointed"; the leaders would pull that scripture out of context and use it to instill fear in the members, meaning they held a special anointing that shouldn't be questioned.
Control is common practice in most charismatic churches. The ones that did speak up weren't heard since they didn't hold leadership positions; all that was left to do was leave.
Eventually, over the last few years, most of the members left there and the preacher took a job at another church as a marriage counselor. It just completely dried up to nothing, and it needed to.
Now they have another pastor there who is trying to revive it; I don't know anything about him but we sure won't be going back there.
That one church taught us so much! :shocked!
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We were also part of a church that asked us to get with the program or leave. It was very painful. We wouldn't have left if they hadn't asked us too, because we were really praying that God would intervene...I guess He did. The church is no longer a light now due to immorality, and the pastor that caused all the division was there less than five years...some people who were asked to leave were there longer than I have been alive. Anyway, we had worshipped there with theological differences in peace for many years, but for some reason he was very focused on it...he never even came to discuss it with us privately. He is unqualified for the position he holds, and is very deceptive...he deceived some very fruitful believers. We didn't attend anywhere for a while...we were looking and praying, but mostly we were just resting. We were just weary from the whole ordeal. Unity takes work much like a marriage.

The Lord bless you.
 
destiny said:
Fran, I have no doubt that God has brought me out and is bringing others out of "religious babylon". Believe me, it's best that I stay out at this point. I didn't share every spiritual thing that went on during that time, or in how God has worked in me since then, but I have no doubt I am where He wants me to be, now.
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I did not mean to question your personal decision. I know of people who left a particular Catholic parish because they didn't like the priest, so they went to a different Catholic parish further away... I think one can find many examples of having problems worshiping in a particular community and it often becomes better to go somewhere else, if one feels God calling them to do so.

Regards
 
Unity is only for those who have died to self and Christ is the only One left in them. They then will be one as they are one.When they all manifest the mind of Christ, the heart of Christ and the walk of Christ. That means they are IN Christ. IN His NAME (nature, character and authority)

Impossible?

No, because Jesus did pray for this and so it will come to pass before the end:


Joh 17:11 And I am no more in the world, and these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep them in thy name (nature character and authority) which thou hast given me, that they may be one, even as we are.

Rev 14:4 These are they that were not defiled with women;(religions of men) for they are virgins. These are they that follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. (The Lamb took up His cross and went to death )These were purchased from among men,(His Blood purchased these from among the men of the earth) to be the firstfruits (There will be second fruit etc ) unto God and unto the Lamb.
Rev 14:5 And in their mouth was found no lie:(They speak only the Word ) they are without blemish.(Cleansed by the blood of the Lamb, they have overcome and they are holy)

These are ONE as They are ONE.
 
Cornelius said:
Unity is only for those who have died to self and Christ is the only One left in them. They then will be one as they are one.When they all manifest the mind of Christ, the heart of Christ and the walk of Christ. That means they are IN Christ. IN His NAME (nature, character and authority)

Well said, amen.

So we have to be very careful whom we are cooperating or against. If we are fighting against His faithful ones we are fighting against Jesus.
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Matt. 6
[24] No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

It all depends on ones knowledge, (Hosea 4:6) and if they are Born Again & following the Holy Spirits Leading. (Rom. 8:14) Then they are either IN Unity or out of Unity with your question of Godly Unity. (as I see it)

Either way, finds one IN UNITY! When the doctrinal messed up bunch of Rev. 17:1-5 are seen? they are servants of satan as is seen in that they are the abomination of the earth. :verysad And the saved class are clearly seen identified in Rev. 12:17! :thumb

--Elijah
 
I like what Tim said in another thread. "Unity is obtained by growing in love and truth."

We are to speak the truth to one another in love. Truth without love does not bring unity, but division and carnal reactions. Love without the truth is deceitful. :thumb

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John
 
Adullam said:
I like what Tim said in another thread. "Unity is obtained by growing in love and truth."

We are to speak the truth to one another in love. Truth without love does not bring unity, but division and carnal reactions. Love without the truth is deceitful. :thumb

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John
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I don't think any Christians believe they are not loving. So this kind of comment is moot.
 
Shad I think it comes down to the motives of the heart, as in why we speak the truth. We should speak the truth out of a love for others, in wanting to share what God has revealed to us in spirit and in truth.
I'm sure presentation gets in the way quite often, but that too can be very deceitful, whether sweet sounding or harsh.

God knows the motivations of the heart.
 
destiny said:
Shad I think it comes down to the motives of the heart, as in why we speak the truth. We should speak the truth out of a love for others, in wanting to share what God has revealed to us in spirit and in truth.
I'm sure presentation gets in the way quite often, but that too can be very deceitful, whether sweet sounding or harsh.

God knows the motivations of the heart.
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So true, That's why discussing about love is kind of meaningless because everyone knows christianity is mostly about love.
 
shad said:
destiny said:
Shad I think it comes down to the motives of the heart, as in why we speak the truth. We should speak the truth out of a love for others, in wanting to share what God has revealed to us in spirit and in truth.
I'm sure presentation gets in the way quite often, but that too can be very deceitful, whether sweet sounding or harsh.

God knows the motivations of the heart.
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So true, That's why discussing about love is kind of meaningless because everyone knows christianity is mostly about love.
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You must find John the apostle rather redundant then! ;)
 
I agree that Christianity is about (Godly) love (and so much more). But how that love manifests itself is sometimes a stumbling block for those who base it all on emotion or an outward humanistic understanding.

I've noticed that the diverse parts of the body (of Christ) sometimes express love in different ways.
 
destiny said:
I agree that Christianity is about (Godly) love (and so much more). But how that love manifests itself is sometimes a stumbling block for those who base it all on emotion or an outward humanistic understanding.

I've noticed that the diverse parts of the body (of Christ) sometimes express love in different ways.
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Absolutely, destiny :yes . We just cannot judge anyone with our own standard. We don't know anyone's heart. We should let God judge us whether we are loving or not.
 
Adullam said:
You must find John the apostle rather redundant then! ;)
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At the New Testament time, it was necessary to emphasize "love" because they did not know God and Jesus' love too well. So Apostles had to teach everyone about love. Nowadays, most people have the Bible and know that Christianity is mostly about love.
 
The Bible teaches unity among the "brethren" only.

No compromising with those whose religious beliefs, or human sentiments, obviously contradict the teachings of the Bible.

"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." -Galatians 1:8

"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove [them]."
-Ephesians 5:11

"But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God."
-Acts 20:24

"I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel"
-Galatians 1:6
 
shad said:
Adullam said:
You must find John the apostle rather redundant then! ;)
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At the New Testament time, it was necessary to emphasize "love" because they did not know God and Jesus' love too well. So Apostles had to teach everyone about love. Nowadays, most people have the Bible and know that Christianity is mostly about love.
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The love that moved the Father to send his holy child and to sacrifice his only-begotten for our sin and transgressions is not the same quality as our love of appetite and passion, and our love of material possessions and the praise of man.

Unity comes when God bestows upon us the spirit of unfeigned sacrifice, unfeigned love.

Will worship and voluntary humility make a show of love and unity.

Joe
 
..."Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."

This is when there's absolutely nothing left of "me".
 
I shall submit what scripture says: I Cor. 1:10 and Eph.4:1-6. There are others, but these sum up.
 
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