[_ Old Earth _] Where did the first light in creation come from?

[ikester7579]

In trying to explain creation, we often look to much towards the physical things and forget to apply the spiritual nature of God. Where did the first light come from?

And since were speaking of light. Here's something I just got finished writting about: Why God created light twice. This pretty much explains why science misses the mark when it comes to understanding God.

Here are the two verses in question.
First light:
Ge 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Second light:
Ge 1:16 And God made the two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also.

Why did God create light twice? First we have to understand that God is light.
1 john 1:5 And this is the message which we have heard from him and announce unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

So the first light created came from God because God had not created any object that produce light yet. Now since God has no darkness in Him, as stated in 1 John 1:5. The light produced made no shadows and shined everywhere in an instance. This is so because the light was also coming from an eternal being. The light being eternal means time and distance have no hold upon it and this light would not be subjected to a constant light speed, as we know of it today. So the time and distance to the furtherest star would not apply because it all came from an eternal being. And the light that shined from this eternal being shined to the ends of the universe the instant it was created.

Why did God devide the light? Because the first light makes no shadows (as stated in 1 John 1:5), it had to be devided.

But what about the second light?
Read these verses first:
Ge 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years:
Ge 1:15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Ge 1:16 And God made the two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also.
Ge 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of heaven to give light upon the earth,
Ge 1:18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Ge 1:19 And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.

You will notice in all these verses, that the physical objects that produce light, God never says that He devides the light. He allows the light to be devided by the object that produces the natural light. This is why today all light that we see has shadows. This light also is not eternal like the first light was.

So what does this answer?
1) How light can travel billions of light years, but the earth still be less than 10,000 years old. Because it was eternal light from an eternal being.
2) Why light was created twice. To seperate the differences between what is eternal, and what is not.
3) Why the first light had to be devided. Because spiritual light has no darkness to it, as explained in 1 John 1:5.
4) Where the first light came from. God. There was no other object created that could do this.
5) Why the second light was not devided. Because it was not eternal like the first. It casts it's own shadows, so it has darkness already. So it makes day and night just by being there.

But here's where it goes more indepth about the spiritual side of the first light division. In the spiritual realm, light stands for good, darkness stands for evil. So for God to make darkness, in His spiritual light without what goes into darkness (evil), would deny the truthfulness of the verse that says God has no darkness. So who do you think the darkness was made for? Satan, and 1/3 of the angels that were cast out with him.

And because this puts satan on this earth in time to tempt eve, it all fits.

Here's a verse that confirms what light and darkness mean in the spiritual realm: Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

Also, the first light being eternal fulfills God saying that He is the alpha and omega. Alpha = First light, or beginning light, Omega = Light Being eternal and shining to the ends of everything.

 

[bibleberean]

very interesting...

 

[serapha]

Where did the first light in creation come from?

Hi there!


and I thought that the first light came from the glory of God.


~serapha~

 

[ikester7579]

Here's another verse to confirm this: Revelation 21:23
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

The light of God is the glory of God.

Revelation 21:24-25

24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

What do these verses prove?
1) Verse 23 shows that when the light of God is shining, the light from the sun or moon is not needed.
2) And that people will be able to walk and live in this light, shows that this light from God can also support life, even before the sun and moon were created.
3) And because this shows the same exact situation that was present at the light creation (no sun, no moon). It's a demonstration that neither was needed for God to create and sustain life.

So the next time someone asks a question about how was there life without the sun or moon, show them these verses. The ones that really don't care about God or His truth, will make snide remarks about this. Those who are searching for truth in God's word will be amazed that the answer to this was there the whole time.

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

At what wavelength was the first light?

 

[serapha]

At what wavelength was the first light?

very, very, very broad band..... one great big ray of Glory....


think **poof***


well, think **continuous poof**


<grins>

 

[ikester7579]

At what wavelength was the first light?

The eternal wavelength, what else could it be? :-D

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

Was it radio, infrared, ultraviolet, x-ray, gamma? Could it give you cancer with overexposure? How much energy was bundled into this photon packet?

 

[ikester7579]

Was it radio, infrared, ultraviolet, x-ray, gamma? Could it give you cancer with overexposure? How much energy was bundled into this photon packet?

Anything directly from God, which is a perfect being, would be perfect as well.

The questions you ask, are they meant to mock what I said, or is there truley a need to know this information? And why would you need to know it?

And why would the light from God have photons in the first place? For if it acts not like nomal light, then it's make up would not be normal as well.

 

[keebs]

Anything directly from God, which is a perfect being, would be perfect as well.

Two things here:
1. What is a "perfect" wavelength?

2. Perfection is objective, not absolute. I could consider something perfect, and you could consider it flawed. Oh, and humans seem far from perfect to me...

And why would the light from God have photons in the first place? For if it acts not like nomal light, then it's make up would not be normal as well.

It's not light if it's not a photon...

 

[anusaya]

And importantly: what velocity did this early light have? Was it c?

 

[keebs]

And importantly: what velocity did this early light have? Was it c?

Obviously...c is the speed of light, so it makes logical sense that the speed of light would be the speed of light. Why do you think light would have been anything different back then? What is the point?

 

[anusaya]

And importantly: what velocity did this early light have? Was it c?

Obviously...c is the speed of light, so it makes logical sense that the speed of light would be the speed of light. Why do you think light would have been anything different back then? What is the point?

The scientific community contends that c is constant. I am in full agreement with this.

But consider: if the speed of light has remained constant, then young-earth creationists have some explaining to do: the light from distant objects must have taken millions of years to reach us. How are they to account for this apparently ancient age of the universe? Decaying speed of light? Creation of light in situ?

This was the point.

 

[keebs]

But consider: if the speed of light has remained constant, then young-earth creationists have some explaining to do: the light from distant objects must have taken millions of years to reach us. How are they to account for this apparently ancient age of the universe? Decaying speed of light? Creation of light in situ?

Young earth creationists have much bigger evidence to deal with before they start worrying about the speed of light. And besides, YECs will just pull out the "God made the light this close to us, so that it looks like it traveled millions of light years" crud, as you've said.

 

[anusaya]

But consider: if the speed of light has remained constant, then young-earth creationists have some explaining to do: the light from distant objects must have taken millions of years to reach us. How are they to account for this apparently ancient age of the universe? Decaying speed of light? Creation of light in situ?

Young earth creationists have much bigger evidence to deal with before they start worrying about the speed of light. And besides, YECs will just pull out the "God made the light this close to us, so that it looks like it traveled millions of light years" crud, as you've said.

Agreed.

 

[keebs]

Yeah, you have to be careful with these YECs. There's one of 'em running around this board saying that the universe isn't expanding and that redshifting doesn't happen. Go figure.

 

[ikester7579]

Yeah, you have to be careful with these YECs. There's one of 'em running around this board saying that the universe isn't expanding and that redshifting doesn't happen. Go figure.

So, YEC's are not welcome here? Glad I found that out. So I'll leave. Thanks for the heads up.

Mods, you can delete my membership.

 

[keebs]

So, YEC's are not welcome here? Glad I found that out. So I'll leave. Thanks for the heads up.

I never said you weren't welcome here...in fact, YECs are one the main reason I signed up. I was just making the point that you have to be careful around YECs, as they seem to accept the "God did it" over "we observe this happening."

 

[philbo]

Back to God creating light twice, there are two different creation stories that take place in Genisis. The first starts in Genisis 1:1, the second starts in Genisis 2:4b. They're kind of like two different versions of the same story, the first being more universe-oriented, and the second being more earth-oriented. These two stories may have been developed over seperate lines in seperate communities and in seperate times, but were lumped together when the Bible was being put together.

Another thing to ponder: does light exist if we can't see it? We define light by our ability to see it. If visual creatures didn't exist to give any definition to "light," would it even exist? Perhaps the development of sight was the true origin of light.

 

[TheStudent]

lets look to the Quran for some scientifically correct answers:

you question:
Ge 1:16 And God made the two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also.

here it is talking about the Sun and moon.

in the Quran :

Sura 71:15-16, states:

See ye not how Allah has created the seven heavens one above another,
and made the moon a light (noor) in their midst,
and made the sun as a lamp (siraaj)?

The moon is called a light (Arabic: noor) and the sun a lamp (siraaj). Some Muslims claim that since the Qur'an uses different words speaking about the light of the sun and the light of the moon, it reveals that the sun is a source of light (the lamp) , while the moon only reflects light.

obvious isnt it?

but the earth being only 10,000 years old!!? thats preposterous. or are you one of those people that thinks dinosaurs dont really exist?