Where do the eternally born again, spend their days?

[miamited]

Hi guys,

I was participating in a small group on Wednesday night at my fellowship and the issue of where the saved 'are' after the day of God's judgment came up. The leader said that we would then, after the judgment, spend eternity in heaven. I questioned him on this and read the last words that God speaks in His revelation to us concerning the new heaven and the new earth and the great and beautiful city Jerusalem which comes down 'out of heaven' and said that I believed that we would spend eternity on this new earth. Pretty much just exactly how this realm of God's construction began with Adam and Eve, but without the sin problem.

Anyway, the leader looked at me and made a sign with his crossed fingers and said "Heresy! You sound like a Jehovah's Witness!" I chuckled and replied that I believe that most all 'christian' religions have some things wrong and some things right, so I'm not willing to condemn someone who practices the Jehovah's Witness faith just because they are a Jehovah's Witness. Much like the Catholic faith, for me, I look at all of the theological beliefs and weed through them to discern the kernels of truth and the thorns of untruths. I concluded by saying, so if the Jehovah's Witnesses believe that God's children will live upon the new earth after the day of God's judgement...then I'm in agreement with them on that point.

So, I began asking around within my fellowship concerning this point and found that there are pretty good numbers on both sides of the understanding. What say some of you?

God bless,
Ted

 

[hawkman]

I hope we are eternally born again already . Good question you asked .
Welcome to the forum miamited !

 

[miamited]

Hi hawkman

I agree that the born again are eternally so, but I only use that distinction to differentiate between the 'place' of their eternal existence as opposed to the 'place' of the eternally damned. My concern here is to find out how many believe that God's last words to His children regarding their existence, after the day of His judgment, is in heaven or on the new earth that God speaks of.

To be more specific:

Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.

Is this passage telling us that God will live among us, as He did with Adam and Eve, upon this new earth of His construction for all of eternity? Just as, I rather believe was His original intent with Adam and Eve. The words of God tell us that Adam and Eve had access to the tree of Life just as we will be given access upon the new earth.

God bless,
Ted

 

[hawkman]

Is this passage telling us that God will live among us, as He did with Adam and Eve, upon this new earth of His construction for all of eternity? Just as, I rather believe was His original intent with Adam and Eve. The words of God tell us that Adam and Eve had access to the tree of Life just as we will be given access upon the new earth.

Where do you see in the bible it said God was living (dwelling) with Adam and Eve before the fall ? We need to figure this out before I can answer your question .

If I find myself in the new heaven or the new earth I will be happy ( that is an understatement by the way ) either way .

 

[miamited]

Hi hawkman

Well, I imagine that there's going to be some disagreement as to whether or not God dwells with His people, but according to the Scriptures, (Gen. 3:8) God walked with Adam in the garden. They conversed and talked to each other, much as Moses did. Also it is claimed, in the Scriptures that God dwelt in the tabernacle and finally abandoned that practice because of Israel's repeated sin and disobedience. God spoke to David about not having a dwelling place. The prophet Nathan spoke to him the words of God:

“Go and tell my servant David, ‘This is what the Lord says: Are you the one to build me a house to dwell in? 6 I have not dwelt in a house from the day I brought the Israelites up out of Egypt to this day. I have been moving from place to place with a tent as my dwelling. 7 Wherever I have moved with all the Israelites, did I ever say to any of their rulers whom I commanded to shepherd my people Israel, “Why have you not built me a house of cedar?”’

Now, we can surely discuss 'what' exactly God's word means when He refers to having a dwelling place on the earth, but it is spoken of in the Scriptures. Certainly in the passage of the Revelation of Jesus Christ that I previously applied, God says that after the day of His judgment, He will dwell with man and He will be their God and they will be His people.

God has proclaimed that after the day of His judgment He will make a new heaven and a new earth. That out of heaven will come the holy city Jerusalem to the earth. This would be the many rooms that Jesus speaks of making for his followers. This is the place that Jesus speaks of preparing for us. I'm confident that God's people will live upon this new earth in the new city of Jerusalem which is `12,000 stadia square. About 1,400 miles square and high. That's larger than many countries on the earth today. It would be just over half the size of the U.S.

Whether or not God's use of the word dwell is to be intended to mean that He will sleep, eat and spend every waking moment with man upon the earth, I don't honestly know, but I think it fully intends that God will at least have the same personal and visible relationship with man that He had with Adam and Eve.

God bless,
Ted

 

[stovebolts]

Hi Ted,
From the way I read scripture, it pretty well lines up with your view.
I’m not trying to cast stones at the fellow who was quick to condemn your thoughts as heresy but that type of reaction stinks of legalism.

Most legalists decide what their doctrines and theologies are based on in a way that separates themselves from the doctrines of those they oppose. If the opposing doctrine is white, their doctrine has to be black so there is a clear distinction between the two. I’ve seen this many times. :-(

 

[hawkman]

Well, I imagine that there's going to be some disagreement as to whether or not God dwells with His people, but according to the Scriptures, (Gen. 3:8) God walked with Adam in the garden. They conversed and talked to each other, much as Moses did. Also it is claimed, in the Scriptures that God dwelt in the tabernacle and finally abandoned that practice because of Israel's repeated sin and disobedience. God spoke to David about not having a dwelling place. The prophet Nathan spoke to him the words of God:

“Go and tell my servant David, ‘This is what the Lord says: Are you the one to build me a house to dwell in? 6 I have not dwelt in a house from the day I brought the Israelites up out of Egypt to this day. I have been moving from place to place with a tent as my dwelling. 7 Wherever I have moved with all the Israelites, did I ever say to any of their rulers whom I commanded to shepherd my people Israel, “Why have you not built me a house of cedar?”’

Yes , God walked with Adam in the garden of Eden . I would say God and Adam had a relationship unlike anyone else on this earth . Why ? Adam was created perfect directly by God . Adam was not suppose to die but he made a choice , a very bad one . Freewill can do that to you .

Now, we can surely discuss 'what' exactly God's word means when He refers to having a dwelling place on the earth, but it is spoken of in the Scriptures. Certainly in the passage of the Revelation of Jesus Christ that I previously applied, God says that after the day of His judgment, He will dwell with man and He will be their God and they will be His people.

Sure we can discuss this .

God has proclaimed that after the day of His judgment He will make a new heaven and a new earth. That out of heaven will come the holy city Jerusalem to the earth. This would be the many rooms that Jesus speaks of making for his followers. This is the place that Jesus speaks of preparing for us. I'm confident that God's people will live upon this new earth in the new city of Jerusalem which is `12,000 stadia square. About 1,400 miles square and high. That's larger than many countries on the earth today. It would be just over half the size of the U.S.

Where will the new earth be ? Will it even be in this universe ? Will it be of a construct we really have no understanding other than what we are told in Revelation and Isaiah ? Let us read in Isaiah , it would indicate the sun and the moon are no longer with us and the new earth .

Isaiah 60:

19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.

20 Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.

Whether or not God's use of the word dwell is to be intended to mean that He will sleep, eat and spend every waking moment with man upon the earth, I don't honestly know, but I think it fully intends that God will at least have the same personal and visible relationship with man that He had with Adam and Eve.

God bless,
Ted

Oh I think the relationship God will have with us on the new earth will be beyond anything we can imagine ! Way beyond the relationship that Adam and Eve had with God . Adam and Eve could have chose to learn more of God and build that relationship but they chose to try be like God . We have made a choice to serve God and worship him .

 

[miamited]

Hi hawkman,

Yes, I agree that the new earth and heavens will likely be much different than the current earth and heavens that we see displaying God's glory and majesty and power and wisdom every day of our lives. I too, am curious about the comment that there will be no need of the sun or moon. In the logic and wisdom of today's science, that would mean that food or plants don't grow. So while God's ever present light will surely allow us to see and not stumble as we live upon the earth, will it also grow the plants necessary for our food? What about the heat that the sun provides to warm our atmosphere?

Just some thoughts.

God bless,
Ted

 

[hawkman]

So while God's ever present light will surely allow us to see and not stumble as we live upon the earth, will it also grow the plants necessary for our food?

God could cause the plants to grow anyway he wants to . Will we need food in our afterlife ? If so why would we ?

What about the heat that the sun provides to warm our atmosphere?

Will we have an atmosphere at all ? We will have a glorified body .

 

[miamited]

Hi hawkman,

While I wholeheartedly agree that God's light can likely make plants grow even better than natural sunlight, I'm just curious to see how it all works out. Why we would need food? Well, it's my understanding that our bodies, once we are installed upon the new earth will be earthly bodies of flesh. We will, therefore, if I am correct, still need food to maintain those fleshly bodies. Similarly, if I am correct in my understanding of God's testimony, we will need oxygen to keep those bodies of flesh operating. One reason that I believe this is the mention of the tree of Life being put back in the creation. If we don't eat, then how will we reach out and partake of the fruit of that tree as the Scriptures seem to allude that we will do.

While the Scriptures do speak of glorified bodies, I'm not entirely sure that they will be the same, as we wait in heaven after Jesus carries us to his bosom so that we do not suffer the wrath of God to be released once we are removed, as they are once 'everything' is made new. His words: He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!”, could likely mean that includes our bodies. In other words, we will live upon a newly created earth with newly created bodies along with everything else being made new...just as it was on the first day of Adam's life. He enjoyed an earth and universe that was no more than 6 days old. He himself had just been created with his body of flesh that very day. I'm quite convinced that the newly created heavens and earth spoken of in the Revelation, will be pretty much just exactly what the newly created heavens and earth were in the first chapter of Genesis.

The difference will be that all of those who enjoy the new heaven and earth will have made the choice to love God and enjoy all of the blessings and companionship and obedience, that God provides for us and asks of us. Adam never made that choice. He was just created with a new mind and took possession of the land and enjoyed the companionship of God, but he doesn't seem to have ever made a conscious choice to love and obey God.

God bless,
Ted

 

[Edward]

I like your view and I agree.

I believe we will spend eternity on the new earth and the universe will be our back yard to go play in and explore.

It doesn't sound like God has ever dwelled with man before. Not in Eden either. It says God would walk and talk with them daily. SO He visited them every day, but then went home. (Because God was doing something, putting humankind through a school of learning. A very hard school!

If almost everything in the OT is types and shadows of things to come...then this earth we have now is a type and shadow of what is coming. All except the sin influence. But animals will all be friendly!

And Adam wont let Eve wander off anymore, lol. (I'm kidding).

Scripture says, Absent from the body, present with the Lord. So all of the saints in Heaven who are there and have died in Christ are already with Him. When He comes for the 2nd Coming, He brings the saints with Him.

They don't use Paradise (Abrahams Bosom) or Purgetory anymore. The saved are with the Lord. The condemned are in Hell awaiting the White Throne Judgement after which they will be tossed into the Lake of Fire.

No one has been perfected yet or transformed in the twiinkling of an eye. Everybody gets that at the same time. So they are in Heaven with the Lord, but are seperated from their flesh body on earth which is dead. But they are all alive, and are able to see, hear, taste, touch as demonstrated in scripture in the parable of the Rich man and the beggar who died. He was thirsty, hot, miserable and wanted to warn his family. So I'm not sure if the dead have some sort of spiritual body? Or if our senses are really centered in our soul & spirit, not the body. Cuz they sure had their senses.

Those who have died in Christ are in Heaven as we speak but are watching what goes on down here. (Cloud of Witnesses). They are alive!

 

[hawkman]

Why we would need food? Well, it's my understanding that our bodies, once we are installed upon the new earth will be earthly bodies of flesh.

I would think of this way , it will be a glorified body . The body will not need maintenance . Food will be just for our pleasure of taste , texture , fragrance . Our flesh may look the same but will behave in an immortal fashion . A forever man as EC would sing . No tears in heaven .

We will, therefore, if I am correct, still need food to maintain those fleshly bodies.

So if one did not desire to eat they could starve to death ? A maintenance free body I think , why not ?

Similarly, if I am correct in my understanding of God's testimony, we will need oxygen to keep those bodies of flesh operating.

My thoughts here are you have us still being much more akin to the original human design while I have us with a glorified fleshly body more akin to the angels and much like Jesus before he ascended to heaven . Oxygen , could we get short of breath if we exert ourselves on the new earth ?

One reason that I believe this is the mention of the tree of Life being put back in the creation. If we don't eat, then how will we reach out and partake of the fruit of that tree as the Scriptures seem to allude that we will do.

Sure we can eat but we will have bodily need to eat . Food will be just for our pleasure of taste , texture , fragrance . Remember the angels that would visit earth could eat with us humans . Did the angels need food for fuel ? I don't think so .

While the Scriptures do speak of glorified bodies, I'm not entirely sure that they will be the same, as we wait in heaven after Jesus carries us to his bosom so that we do not suffer the wrath of God to be released once we are removed, as they are once 'everything' is made new. His words: He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!”, could likely mean that includes our bodies. In other words, we will live upon a newly created earth with newly created bodies along with everything else being made new...just as it was on the first day of Adam's life. He enjoyed an earth and universe that was no more than 6 days old. He himself had just been created with his body of flesh that very day. I'm quite convinced that the newly created heavens and earth spoken of in the Revelation, will be pretty much just exactly what the newly created heavens and earth were in the first chapter of Genesis.

The new earth could be similar to Eden but no more sea .
Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

The difference will be that all of those who enjoy the new heaven and earth will have made the choice to love God and enjoy all of the blessings and companionship and obedience, that God provides for us and asks of us. Adam never made that choice. He was just created with a new mind and took possession of the land and enjoyed the companionship of God, but he doesn't seem to have ever made a conscious choice to love and obey God.

Praise God we made the right choice ! Amen !

I don't see any reason to think that Adam did not love God all the way through his lifetime . Adam I am sure understood his mistake , God made it plain to him .
Even if we don't always obey our parents that does not mean we don't love them .

 

[Edward]

I would think of this way , it will be a glorified body . The body will not need maintenance . Food will be just for our pleasure of taste , texture , fragrance . Our flesh may look the same but will behave in an immortal fashion . A forever man as EC would sing . No tears in heaven .

I think you're right. Eating together is a highly social activity! Come on over for a BBQ this weekend, Brother!

But like the Angels. They ate meals with man, but they prolly don't get hungry, they were just being nice. And you know what else?! (wait for it...)


a body that can eat but has 100% efficiency. There is no waste. That means, no Toilets in Heaven! No plumbers! There be changing rooms probably. You might want to want change robes? And I'm guessing there is a lot of zero maintenance aquaducts throughout the new jerusalem city. Maybe the mansions in the country sit by rivers, river of Life.

 

[stovebolts]

hawkman
In regards to eating…. Jesus fed a lot of people and some of his best teachings included a meal.

But more to your point.
Luke 24:40-43 NIV
40 When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet. 41 And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?”42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43 and he took it and ate it in their presence.

Acts 1:3-4a NIV
After his suffering, he presented himself to them and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God.4 On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command:

Acts 10:41 NIV
41 He was not seen by all the people,but by witnesses whom God had already chosen—by us who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead.

 

[jasonc]

Debating theology endlessly,lol

Seriously.i don't see us in heaven forever .a bodily ressurection and dwelling on the earth .

The sun and moon isn't always literal in context .


If they are destroyed then we'll
That prophecy about the sun and moon before the Lord forever and the Sabbath is?

I believe that it references worship and also that the new age will be restored .

 

[miamited]

Hi hawkman

So if one did not desire to eat they could starve to death ?

But if the eternal existence on the earth is only for those who love God, why would anyone want to starve to death? That's only a hopeless act of the lost on the earth today. If God provides food to maintain the bodies that He made for us and one of His children says, "Nope! Don't want it I'm committing suicide." I rather imagine that person certainly doesn't appreciate and love the blessings that our Creator made for us to live. I think that we need to understand clearly that in this new life, there won't be anyone going around moping and unhappy that they'd want to kill themselves and as for there ever being a lack of food, then God wouldn't be doing His job would He?

My thoughts here are you have us still being much more akin to the original human design while I have us with a glorified fleshly body more akin to the angels and much like Jesus before he ascended to heaven .

Actually, what I'm proposing is that the new life on the new earth in the new heavens will be exactly what God originally created in the days just prior to the creation of, and including the creation of, Adam and Eve. God said that everything was very good and He began that life in fellowship with Adam and Eve. I believe the new created order will be just like the last, but without sin and without people who would choose not to love, honor and obey God. Yes, I do believe that the new creation will take us back to the original human creation, but without sin. We will walk around and talk and share and enjoy fellowship one with another and with God. We will be in bodies of flesh just as we are today, but it will not be flesh that is ever tainted with sin.

I would ask you, what exactly do you think the 'glorified body' will actually be like? The simple definition of 'glorified' means to be made glorious. Do you take that to mean that the body that God made for Adam and Eve was not glorious? That somehow God will make bodies differently when He makes them glorious? What exactly is a 'glorified body', if anyone understands? It is never said that we will be made as 'glorified spirits', but as 'glorified bodies'. I believe that to mean that we will have form and function much as we have today, but the glorification process, just as the Scriptures describe that we are being sanctified as we live out this life and finally glorified, means that there will come a day when our bodies will not be subject to the ravages of sin. We will be made 'glorious'.

Did the angels need food for fuel ? I don't think so .

We don't know, but I don't think we can base our understanding of what our bodies will be like based on what angelic bodies are like. Angels are a completely different class of created beings that God made. They see God all the time and many of them spend their entire existence giving glory to God and watching over His kingdom. As Paul wrote, there are different kinds of flesh. So whether or not angels eat or drink, wouldn't really be any proof that we will eat or drink in the eternal existence. The angels likely wont' live upon the new earth as we do either. They have their own realm created by God in which they reside and the Scriptures seem to allude that their realm and existence came before ours.

The new earth could be similar to Eden but no more sea .

I agree and believe that the new earth will be exactly like the first earth was when God called the place where He established Adam and Eve upon it, as Eden. Eden was right here on the earth. God made all of this realm in which we live, the universe with all of its stars and planets and comets and so forth, and the earth, in five days. Then on the sixth day, once all of God's creative work of providing a place for the flesh of man to live, He made man. He made him right here on the earth out of the dirt that was upon the earth at that time. Then God put man in a place called Eden, a carved out area upon the earth, and called it a garden and gave Adam and Eve everything they should have ever wanted.

Then Satan came along and tempted them with the idea that God didn't really give them everything that they needed. He didn't give them the knowledge of good and evil. They had to eat the fruit for that knowledge and God commanded them not to, but they did. While the new heaven and earth mentions that the tree of life is back with us, there is no mention that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is replaced.

Perhaps we will be just like Adam and Eve, but without that fruit that was so enticing, that opened their eyes to evil. We may only know good. All the good things from God and all the good things in others that share in the eternal life with God. Just some thoughts. However, I can put you down as one who believes that we will live upon the new earth throughout our eternal existence?

God bless,
Ted

 

[hawkman]

I would ask you, what exactly do you think the 'glorified body' will actually be like? The simple definition of 'glorified' means to be made glorious. Do you take that to mean that the body that God made for Adam and Eve was not glorious? That somehow God will make bodies differently when He makes them glorious? What exactly is a 'glorified body', if anyone understands? It is never said that we will be made as 'glorified spirits', but as 'glorified bodies'. I believe that to mean that we will have form and function much as we have today, but the glorification process, just as the Scriptures describe that we are being sanctified as we live out this life and finally glorified, means that there will come a day when our bodies will not be subject to the ravages of sin. We will be made 'glorious'.

We have our answer in these verses I will post . It will be like unto Jesus's glorified body .
Philippians 3:

20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

A couple more verses that indicate our bodies will be like Jesus's glorified body .

1 John 3​

1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

While the new heaven and earth mentions that the tree of life is back with us, there is no mention that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is replaced.

The tree of life is in the new Jerusalem . True ?

Revelation 22​

1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Perhaps we will be just like Adam and Eve, but without that fruit that was so enticing, that opened their eyes to evil. We may only know good. All the good things from God and all the good things in others that share in the eternal life with God. Just some thoughts. However, I can put you down as one who believes that we will live upon the new earth throughout our eternal existence?

We are told very few things about the new earth . You describe the new earth as a new Eden but where are the verses that support that idea ?

NO , do not put me down as living upon the new earth .
Instead put me down for living eternal life in the new Jerusalem worshiping God and walking the streets of gold eating fruit from the Tree of Life .

I see no verses that support placing of the new Jerusalem on the new earth .

 

[miamited]

Hi hawkman,

We are told very few things about the new earth . You describe the new earth as a new Eden but where are the verses that support that idea ?

I think I made clear that my understanding was purely a personal understanding. There are not Scriptural verses that tell us much at all about the physical construct or the nature of the human condition on the new heaven and the new earth, except for those final words of our God. Even you can only say that the Scriptures tell us that we will have bodies like Jesus', but no indication of what exactly those bodies will be like. I asked before what you thought the glorified bodies would be like and I don't think you've come to that answer yet. As far as being able to offer any Scriptural evidence as to what our glorified bodies will be like, I think you'll likely come up short. So there are issues to be discussed that can't really be supported by Scripture, but some believe one way or another based on their private knowledge and understanding of the things of God. This is why I can't give you any Scriptural support for what our bodies will be like in the eternal life, other than to say that it will be a glorified body. But there isn't a lot of Scriptural evidence to provide us with any concrete meaning as to what a glorified body actually entails. It could just be an 'eternal' body created specifically by God for us, just as God seems to have made each of the angels in the angelic realm bodies that were individually and specifically made for each angel.

In speaking of Lucifer, He says of him that He was a most beautiful creature on the day that he was created. Did Lucifer have a glorified body and then lose it when he fell into rebellion against God?

But again, I'm satisfied that my question asked in the OP has been answered and the rest of it we'll just have to wait and see. We will live upon the new earth, but what our bodies with actually be like, we just don't know.

“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor has it entered into the heart of man the things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”.

God bless,
Ted

 

[hawkman]

I think I made clear that my understanding was purely a personal understanding.

Sure I understand you on that . And it could be Eden all over again .

There are not Scriptural verses that tell us much at all about the physical construct or the nature of the human condition on the new heaven and the new earth, except for those final words of our God. Even you can only say that the Scriptures tell us that we will have bodies like Jesus', but no indication of what exactly those bodies will be like. I asked before what you thought the glorified bodies would be like and I don't think you've come to that answer yet. As far as being able to offer any Scriptural evidence as to what our glorified bodies will be like, I think you'll likely come up short. So there are issues to be discussed that can't really be supported by Scripture, but some believe one way or another based on their private knowledge and understanding of the things of God. This is why I can't give you any Scriptural support for what our bodies will be like in the eternal life, other than to say that it will be a glorified body. But there isn't a lot of Scriptural evidence to provide us with any concrete meaning as to what a glorified body actually entails. It could just be an 'eternal' body created specifically by God for us, just as God seems to have made each of the angels in the angelic realm bodies that were individually and specifically made for each angel.

We get as much information as we need in these verses about what our glorified body will be like .
Philippians 3:

20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

1 John 3

1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Did Lucifer have a glorified body and then lose it when he fell into rebellion against God?

I like Derek Gilbert and his videos . Starting at @11:30 in this video he talks about Lucifer . The part about the Book of Daniel before 11:30 mark is very good too .
The Bible’s Greatest Mysteries: Lucifer, Satan, and Saturn

 

[miamited]

Hi hawkman

But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.

What we need is to know God's mind, or even Paul's for that matter, what is meant by 'be like his glorious body'. Jesus was without sin. His body was glorious even as he walked among us in Israel. It was not 'vile' and tainted by the wickedness of sin which destroys and kills our bodies. But, his body was flesh and he ate and drank. Our newly created bodies will likewise be without sin and the ravages it brings to us in growing old. So, it could likely be that the 'glorious body' that Paul writes about here is merely a body that has not suffered the ravages of sin as ours have.

Nothing particularly magical or mystical about it at all. Just a glorious body that is used to serve God and without sin to destroy it. So, I would just repeat that your Scriptural offerings, while certainly correct in their reading, don't really give us any hint as to what our new bodies will actually, physically be like, other than 'glorious'.

God bless,
Ted