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Which parts of the Bible are okay for us to believe?

One of the MOST difficult hurdles that 'I' faced upon being challenged to accept God into my life WAS the 'churches'. For when I READ The Word it became immediately APPARENT that what they 'taught' and what the Bible ACTUALLY SAID were two completely different stories.

Little different than when I first realized that my beloved parents had DELIBERATELY decieved me into a 'belief' in Santa Claus. And, much LIKE the attempts of the churches, they would have contended that what they did was done out of LOVE. Totally oblivious to the TRUE meaning of the word itself.

MEC
 
The Bible as a whole should be prayed about and taught. Not to mention practiced. For the changes from Old to New Testament alone are very enlightening. Sometimes even assuring to a sinner's heart who seeks nothing but repentance.

Just my thoughts. I appologize if there was anything in that post that could be found offensive. None was meant.

May God Bless You

Danielle
 
LostLamb said:
The Bible as a whole should be prayed about and taught. Not to mention practiced. For the changes from Old to New Testament alone are very enlightening. Sometimes even assuring to a sinner's heart who seeks nothing but repentance.

Just my thoughts. I appologize if there was anything in that post that could be found offensive. None was meant.

May God Bless You

Danielle

Do you practice Exodus 21: 17?

If your daughter were raped, would you compel her to marry her rapist? That is what the bible demands.

Have you ever read Matthew 5: 17 in which Jesus said - Do not think that I have come to abolish the law . . . ?
 
pointus said:
LostLamb said:
The Bible as a whole should be prayed about and taught. Not to mention practiced. For the changes from Old to New Testament alone are very enlightening. Sometimes even assuring to a sinner's heart who seeks nothing but repentance.

Just my thoughts. I appologize if there was anything in that post that could be found offensive. None was meant.

May God Bless You

Danielle

Do you practice Exodus 21: 17?

If your daughter were raped, would you compel her to marry her rapist? That is what the bible demands.

Have you ever read Matthew 5: 17 in which Jesus said - Do not think that I have come to abolish the law . . . ?

Pointus:

You are missing what the NT is about. Jesus did not abolish the Law, but the curse of the Law. The moralistic standards apply, but the rewards/punishments do not because Christ took that on the cross. Therefore, we do not require anyone to marry their rapists, nor do we stone them to death. The Old Covenant required flesh power to keep, the New Covenant requires the power of the Spirit. However, the standards in both cases are the same. In addition, do not confuse the Abrahamic, Davidic Covenants and other such covenants with the Old Covenant. they are not done away with but are in full force (just in case you or anyone else thinks so) The Old Covenant and New Covenant has to do with our personal relationship with God, the others are national and family promises regardless of their spiritual condition.

Regarding the question of this thread: I believe all parts of the bible, but some verses I realize come into question. As a matter of fact, I tend to believe apocryphal sources beyond the bible as well for additional perspective on some subjects. When the bible is understood rightly, I find very little contradiction between them.
 
pointus said:
LostLamb said:
The Bible as a whole should be prayed about and taught. Not to mention practiced. For the changes from Old to New Testament alone are very enlightening. Sometimes even assuring to a sinner's heart who seeks nothing but repentance.

Just my thoughts. I appologize if there was anything in that post that could be found offensive. None was meant.

May God Bless You

Danielle

Do you practice Exodus 21: 17?

If your daughter were raped, would you compel her to marry her rapist? That is what the bible demands.

Have you ever read Matthew 5: 17 in which Jesus said - Do not think that I have come to abolish the law . . . ?


Sorry, Exodus 21:17 states this:

Exod.21
[17] And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
 
I believe pointus knew that Eccl12and13. It was another question.
 
pointus said:
Do you practice Exodus 21: 17?

If your daughter were raped, would you compel her to marry her rapist? That is what the bible demands.

Have you ever read Matthew 5: 17 in which Jesus said - Do not think that I have come to abolish the law . . . ?

Pointus,

As others have said...you may want to look into the messages of the New Testament in comparison to the Old. Though Jesus did not come to abolish the law...He taught us how to follow it while exercising mercy. Seeing as there is not one of us who is without sin. Not that wrong doing should go without consequence. Just we truly need to reflect on what God's word teaches us and pray before we act. For God is a just and merciful judge. Whereas we as people, tend to be judgemental and vengeful.

May God Bless You

Danielle
 
JohnMuise said:
Great video showing us how many of us cherry pick the Bible. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAhVXRwG ... -fresh+div

Its funny how many pages he rips out the Bible to make it adhere to what many "Christians" believe.

To answer your question, "Which parts of the Bible are okay for us to believe?"; we are to believe the WHOLE bible, Gen. to Rev. If you question just one part, where does it stop? Granted, there are things we may not understand or may sound confusing, but we do not pick and choose which we will accept. We grow and learn until God gives us understanding.

2Tim.3
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Remember also, Jesus read from the OT all of the time. The OT was completed approx. 500yrs before Jesus was here on earth, but did He ever correct it? Did He ever tell His followers, not to accept those things in Deut., Samuel, Job, Isa.,.,.,....No!

As a matter of fact, Jesus Himself, speaks about how the entire OT talks about His birth, death and resurrection:

Luke 24:
[25] Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
[26] Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
[27] And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Jesus then goes on to say the following:

Matt.4
[4] But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

One thing that sould be noted that is missed by most is this; when Jesus said those words there was no NT. They were not completed until approx 40-90 years after Christ death. Also note that Jesus said that MAN, not just the Jews, but MAN shall live by EVERY WORD OF GOD!

Paul gives us these words in a letter to Timothy:

2Tim.3
[15] And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

The only holy scripture Timothy had to read were the OT.

And that takes us right back to the scripture above:

2Tim.3
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

So that pretty much tells us that the Entire bible OT and NT is for us to use and believe in.
 
I know there is a great feeling of security in believing that every word in the Bible has come from the mouth of God and is His Word. I know because this is what I once believed. But now I realize that in order to retain any reasonable degree of integrity, I have to be intellectually honest.

1. First, which Bible? Is it the King James Bible and only that which is exclusively the Word of God and inerrant, as many believe? Is it the original Greek and Hebrew manuscripts? If so, then we are not helped much, since the originals no longer exist. We know that many of the copied manuscripts contained changes made by copyists. These changes were made both accidentally and intentionally. So I ask again, "Which Bible is the infallible one?"

2. Secondly, if the Bible is the only book which is inspired by God, we need to know which writings are to be included in the Bible --- which ones are the exclusively inspired ones. There was plenty of disagreement in the early church as to which writings were to be read in the churches. Paul's fellow helper Clement of Rome, wrote a powerful letter to the Corinthian church shortly after Paul and Peter's death. This letter was widely read as authoritative in the early church. However, 2 and 3 John, 2 Peter, Jude, and Revelation were questionable. Indeed, Jude quoted from "The Book of Enoch" as authoritative, and states that his quote was written by "Enoch, the seventh from Adam".
We know, of course, that this is false. The Book of Enoch was written some time between the third and first centuries B.C. I have a copy; it includes the section which Jude quoted; it also contains a lot of fanciful ideas concerning the heavenly bodies including gates through which the luminaries move. Winds and rain, dew, health and life emerge from one gate, while cold and drought proceed from another. The writer stated that the dimensions of the sun and the moon are equal. It's true that their diameters APPEAR to be equal when observed from the earth, but as we now know the actual diameter of the sun of over 400 times that of the moon.

Yet, in the second century, Irenaeus and Clement of Alexandria cited the Book of Enoch without questioning its sacred character. They, also, believed that the ancient Enoch was the author. Origen (254 A.D.) assigned to the Book of Enoch, the same authority as to the Psalms.

So what are we to do with the Biblical book of Jude? Throw it away because Jude was mistaken about the Book of Enoch? Or keep it believing that God inspired its author in spite of Jude's mistake? I choose the latter.

3. Thirdly, The honest person must accept the fact that portions were added to the originals. Perhaps the clearest example is the The Johannine Comma (1st John 5:7)

Amazingly some people seriously regards the Johannine Comma as the genuine autograph of the apostle John.

Here are some facts, which taken together make it almost impossible to maintain that it was part of the original letter which we call “1st Johnâ€Â.

1. Out of the many hundreds of manuscripts which contain 1st John, there are only eight known Greek manuscripts which contain the passage.

2. Of the eight, four of them include it not as part of the text, but as a marginal note.

3. Seven of the eight date from the 15th to 18th centuries.

4. The other one is a variant reading of a 10th century manuscript

5. During the Trinitarian controversies of the 4th and 5th centuries, no Greek father quoted the passage in support of Trinitarianism.

If the passage were original, how can it be explained that it was absent from the many hundreds of early Greek manuscripts, and not present in even one of them.

Further details about the Johannine Comma can be obtained from:

the Johannine Comma

There are many places where New Testament manuscripts were "corrected" to make them fit the facts.

Some think that if there were an error in the Bible, we might as well throw away the whole thing. In my opinon, that stance is ludicrous. The writings of the Bible was written by fallible men, even though these men were inspired by God. I think that Clement of Rome was inspired to write his letter to the Corinthians, even though he made reference to the Phoenix bird as if it actually existed. In the Old Testament, we also find a reference to the Phoenix, as well as references to unicorns.

So if I deny the infallibility of the Bible, where do I find my authority in the things of God? I find Jesus Christ my supreme authority. It is true, that we learn about his life and teachings basically from the four memoirs of His life and teachings. These memoirs can be trusted; they are historical documents. Indeed, all historical documents contain errors. If Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John contained NO factual errors, they would be suspect of being contrived rather than being true historical records.

So Christ is my supreme authority, secondly His apostles whom He taught, thirdly the elders whome the apostles appointed. The major prophets of the Israelites, such as Isaiah and Jeremiah, are also included. The minor prophets do not seem to have much relevance to the Christian life today. Much of the rest of the Old Testament is a history of the Israelites and can be trusted as any history can be trusted, and we can learn from the mistakes that the Israelites made, and from the consequences of the sins in which they indulged.
 
Paidion said:
So Christ is my supreme authority, secondly His apostles whom He taught, thirdly the elders whome the apostles appointed. The major prophets of the Israelites, such as Isaiah and Jeremiah, are also included. The minor prophets do not seem to have much relevance to the Christian life today. Much of the rest of the Old Testament is a history of the Israelites and can be trusted as any history can be trusted, and we can learn from the mistakes that the Israelites made, and from the consequences of the sins in which they indulged.

Well if Christ is your authority then maybe it would be good to read the things He taught others. According to Jesus ALL of the prophets spoke about Him:

Luke 24:
[25] Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
[26] Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
[27] And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Now if Jesus said ALL the PROPHETS spoke of Him, He didn't say that for nothing. And since He did say ALL the PROPHETS, then ALL the PROPHETS are worth studying!

So just which prophet, Paidion, do YOU consider 'minor'? Which one of the prophets Jesus spoke about do YOU think has no relevance to Christian life today?

And as far as, "Much of the rest of the Old Testament is a history of the Israelites...", how do you explain these few scriptures:

Isa.2
[12] For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:
Isa.13
[6] Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
[9] Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
Isa.34
[8] For it is the day of the LORD's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

And how about these:

Isa. 66
[15] For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
[16] For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
[17] They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

Dan.11
[31] And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
Dan.12
[11] And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

These are ALL future events that Jesus warned us about. Let's read:

Matt. 24
[15] When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
[22] And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Now if we did away with the only place Jesus told us to go to find out about the end days what are we to do? How will we Save Ourselves?
 
eccl said:
Now if Jesus said ALL the PROPHETS spoke of Him, He didn't say that for nothing. And since He did say ALL the PROPHETS, then ALL the PROPHETS are worth studying!

Yes, He said all the prophets spoke of Him. I agree all the prophets are worth studying for that reason. Did I say otherwise?

So just which prophet, Paidion, do YOU consider 'minor'?

The same twelve that all the commentators and theology teachers consider 'minor'. Have you never heard of the "minor prophets"? For more information, you may wish to click on the following link:

Minor Prophets

Which one of the prophets Jesus spoke about do YOU think has no relevance to Christian life today?

I didn't say that any of them have NO relevance to Christian life today. What I said was:

The minor prophets do not seem to have much relevance to the Christian life today.

Let's take Haggai for example. Haggai encouraged the Jewish exiles who had returned from Babylon to complete the rebuilding of the temple. Have you ever read that little book, eccl? If so, how many times have you read it? Have you ever used it in your daily devotions? How often has your church studied it in Bible studies? If you are, in fact, quite familiar with it, could you share with us the parts which have helped you live a better Christian life, and explain precisely how those parts have helped you?

By the way, while you're at it, could you explain where, in Haggai, the prophet speaks about Jesus? Please don't misunderstand me. I'm not doubting Jesus' word. It's just that I'd really like to know where he spoke of Jesus.
 
Paidon,
Though I think I understand your point, those of us who believe in the Trinity have no problem seeing Jesus in the book of Haggai. In fact, anytime God speaks, I think it is the incarnate Christ; for God to speak or to be physically present in the Old Testament, entails vocal cords and a physical body which are and God the Father is Spirit. If you read Haggai 2:9, it does not take too much extrapolation, to say this is Jesus the Christ being spoken of. I could go on, but hopefully you have caught my thought.
Peace, Bubba
 
Paidion said:
eccl said:
Now if Jesus said ALL the PROPHETS spoke of Him, He didn't say that for nothing. And since He did say ALL the PROPHETS, then ALL the PROPHETS are worth studying!

Yes, He said all the prophets spoke of Him. I agree all the prophets are worth studying for that reason. Did I say otherwise?

So just which prophet, Paidion, do YOU consider 'minor'?

The same twelve that all the commentators and theology teachers consider 'minor'. Have you never heard of the "minor prophets"? For more information, you may wish to click on the following link:

Minor Prophets

[quote:13ly3rcl]Which one of the prophets Jesus spoke about do YOU think has no relevance to Christian life today?

I didn't say that any of them have NO relevance to Christian life today. What I said was:

The minor prophets do not seem to have much relevance to the Christian life today.

Let's take Haggai for example. Haggai encouraged the Jewish exiles who had returned from Babylon to complete the rebuilding of the temple. Have you ever read that little book, eccl? If so, how many times have you read it? Have you ever used it in your daily devotions? How often has your church studied it in Bible studies? If you are, in fact, quite familiar with it, could you share with us the parts which have helped you live a better Christian life, and explain precisely how those parts have helped you?

By the way, while you're at it, could you explain where, in Haggai, the prophet speaks about Jesus? Please don't misunderstand me. I'm not doubting Jesus' word. It's just that I'd really like to know where he spoke of Jesus.[/quote:13ly3rcl]


Had you read the entire book with an open mind and asking God for understanding before trying to catch me in a mistake you would not have asked the question. But since you asked, here is your answer.

Hag.2

[6] For thus saith the LORD of hosts; Yet once, it is a little while, and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land;
[7] And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts.

Now at what time will God shake the heavens, the earth the sea and the dry land? And at what time will the desire of ALL nation come and fill this house? At His second coming! During the 1000yrs! Did you miss this Paidion?

Here is another:

[9] The glory of this latter house shall be greater than of the former, saith the LORD of hosts: and in this place will I give peace, saith the LORD of hosts.

Now this 'latter' house will be the one that the Lord builds. That would be the one spoken of in another 'little book' called Revelations.

Now since you were obviously not aware of the fact that even in this 'little book', as you call it, of Haggai there was a reference to the second coming of the Lord and the building of His temple, maybe I should be asking you the same!

Now here is a question for you Paidion: Who will it be that will help the Lord build the temple?

I and all reading this post will be waiting for your reply!
 
I think I'd probably say the original Greek and Hebrew bibles were inspired by God. I'm not sure how much inspiration there was in the choice of which books should make up the bible, or in the translation of those books into English or any other languages though
 
eccl said:
I and all reading this post will be waiting for your reply!

Eccl, anyone can interpret virtually any prophecy as a reference to the coming of Christ. This is not the issue. Here is the issue. You indicated that all the prophets have a relevance to one's Christian life. We're talking about NOW! You have yet to share with us how the book of Haggai helps you in your personal walk before the Lord.
 
Paidion said:
eccl said:
I and all reading this post will be waiting for your reply!

Eccl, anyone can interpret virtually any prophecy as a reference to the coming of Christ. This is not the issue. Here is the issue. You indicated that all the prophets have a relevance to one's Christian life. We're talking about NOW! You have yet to share with us how the book of Haggai helps you in your personal walk before the Lord.

First Paidion just stay with me and read the entire post:
Let's read Hag.2 again. Break it down and then read some other scriptuers that support these verses.

Hag.2
[6] For thus saith the LORD of hosts; Yet once, it is a little while, and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land;
[7] And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts.

I ask you, At what time has the above event happened? Specifically, at what time has God shaken ALL NATIONS and caused ALL NATIONS to come and fill His house with glory? Because if it has not happened it is a FUTURE event.

Now if the event has not happened and Christ has not returned, how in the world I'm I interpreting this as a reference to the coming of Christ? This is not MY interpretation, this is a FACT!

So again I ask you Paidion, has the above event taken place yet? Of course not. But here is when it will Paidion:

Isa.66
[15] For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
[23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

So now we see indeed that there will be a time that ALL FLEASH wll come and worship the Lord, just as it said in the book of Haggai.

And where will they gather to worship the Lord? Let's read more scripture Paidion:

Zech.14
[16] And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

So AFTER Jesus return ALL NATIONS will go and worship the Lord and keep the feast of Tabernacles.

Now let's go back and read another verse in Hag.

Hag.2:9
[9] The glory of this latter house shall be greater than of the former, saith the LORD of hosts: and in this place will I give peace, saith the LORD of hosts.

So now we can see how this verse is true. When ALL NATIONS return to worship the Lord, the glory of the last house built for the Lord WILL be greater than the former.

Now to address you question, "How the book of Haggai helps you in your personal walk before the Lord."

First:
When Jesus made the statement, "And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself." Luke 24:27 it caused me to search the prophets and find out for myself if this was true, and it was. As a result, it gave me faith in knowing that EVERY WORD that Jesus said is TRUE. FAITH!

Second:
This searching caused me to better understand the events that will one day take place. Events, I pray, one day I am apart of. Can you just imagine a time here on earth when ALL NATIONS will come before God and give Him praise? HOPE!

Third:
Being able to find relevant scriptures and put them together to PROVE the word of God is what enabled me to answer your question. WISDOM!

So yes Paidion, even a small book like Haggai has relevance to one's Christian life. Right NOW! TODAY!!!!

Now again I have answered your question. I presented you with a few in this reply. Will you do the same?

Looking forward to your reply!
 
eccl you said:
First Paidion just stay with me and read the entire post:
Let's read Hag.2 again. Break it down and then read some other scriptuers that support these verses.

Hag.2
[6] For thus saith the LORD of hosts; Yet once, it is a little while, and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land;
[7] And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts.

I ask you, At what time has the above event happened? Specifically, at what time has God shaken ALL NATIONS and caused ALL NATIONS to come and fill His house with glory? Because if it has not happened it is a FUTURE event.

Now if the event has not happened and Christ has not returned, how in the world I'm I interpreting this as a reference to the coming of Christ? This is not MY interpretation, this is a FACT!
So again I ask you Paidion, has the above event taken place yet? Of course not. But here is when it will Paidion:

Isa.66
[15] For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
[23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

So now we see indeed that there will be a time that ALL FLEASH wll come and worship the Lord, just as it said in the book of Haggai.

And where will they gather to worship the Lord? Let's read more scripture Paidion:

Zech.14
[16] And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

So AFTER Jesus return ALL NATIONS will go and worship the Lord and keep the feast of Tabernacles.

Now let's go back and read another verse in Hag.

Hag.2:9
[9] The glory of this latter house shall be greater than of the former, saith the LORD of hosts: and in this place will I give peace, saith the LORD of hosts.

So now we can see how this verse is true. When ALL NATIONS return to worship the Lord, the glory of the last house built for the Lord WILL be greater than the former.

Now to address you question, "How the book of Haggai helps you in your personal walk before the Lord."

First:
When Jesus made the statement, "And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself." Luke 24:27 it caused me to search the prophets and find out for myself if this was true, and it was. As a result, it gave me faith in knowing that EVERY WORD that Jesus said is TRUE. FAITH!

Second:
This searching caused me to better understand the events that will one day take place. Events, I pray, one day I am apart of. Can you just imagine a time here on earth when ALL NATIONS will come before God and give Him praise? HOPE!

Third:
Being able to find relevant scriptures and put them together to PROVE the word of God is what enabled me to answer your question. WISDOM!

So yes Paidion, even a small book like Haggai has relevance to one's Christian life. Right NOW! TODAY!!!!

Now again I have answered your question. I presented you with a few in this reply. Will you do the same?

Looking forward to your reply!

Okay, I reread your post. I got no more out of it than I did the first time. Contrary to your assertion you did NOT answer my question. You did NOT show how the book of Haggai is relevant to your every day Christian living.

All you have shown is that (if your interpetation is correct), is that the Haggai the prophet, in the book of Haggai predicts a time, future to us, when all nations shall gather and worship Yahweh in the temple at Jerusalem. This isn't neccarily a fact! It's an interpretation.

However, even if your interpetation is a fact, you still have not shown its relevance to your daily walk before the Lord. You haven't yet stated whether or not you use the book of Haggai, or have EVER used it, in your daily devotions. The fact is that you haven't, have you? If the book of Haggai had never been included in the Old Testament, it would make no difference whatever to your Christian life. Am I right?
 
Paidion said:
eccl you said:
First Paidion just stay with me and read the entire post:
Let's read Hag.2 again. Break it down and then read some other scriptuers that support these verses.

Hag.2
[6] For thus saith the LORD of hosts; Yet once, it is a little while, and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land;
[7] And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts.

I ask you, At what time has the above event happened? Specifically, at what time has God shaken ALL NATIONS and caused ALL NATIONS to come and fill His house with glory? Because if it has not happened it is a FUTURE event.

Now if the event has not happened and Christ has not returned, how in the world I'm I interpreting this as a reference to the coming of Christ? This is not MY interpretation, this is a FACT!
So again I ask you Paidion, has the above event taken place yet? Of course not. But here is when it will Paidion:

Isa.66
[15] For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
[23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

So now we see indeed that there will be a time that ALL FLEASH wll come and worship the Lord, just as it said in the book of Haggai.

And where will they gather to worship the Lord? Let's read more scripture Paidion:

Zech.14
[16] And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

So AFTER Jesus return ALL NATIONS will go and worship the Lord and keep the feast of Tabernacles.

Now let's go back and read another verse in Hag.

Hag.2:9
[9] The glory of this latter house shall be greater than of the former, saith the LORD of hosts: and in this place will I give peace, saith the LORD of hosts.

So now we can see how this verse is true. When ALL NATIONS return to worship the Lord, the glory of the last house built for the Lord WILL be greater than the former.

Now to address you question, "How the book of Haggai helps you in your personal walk before the Lord."

First:
When Jesus made the statement, "And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself." Luke 24:27 it caused me to search the prophets and find out for myself if this was true, and it was. As a result, it gave me faith in knowing that EVERY WORD that Jesus said is TRUE. FAITH!

Second:
This searching caused me to better understand the events that will one day take place. Events, I pray, one day I am apart of. Can you just imagine a time here on earth when ALL NATIONS will come before God and give Him praise? HOPE!

Third:
Being able to find relevant scriptures and put them together to PROVE the word of God is what enabled me to answer your question. WISDOM!

So yes Paidion, even a small book like Haggai has relevance to one's Christian life. Right NOW! TODAY!!!!

Now again I have answered your question. I presented you with a few in this reply. Will you do the same?

Looking forward to your reply!

Okay, I reread your post. I got no more out of it than I did the first time. Contrary to your assertion you did NOT answer my question. You did NOT show how the book of Haggai is relevant to your every day Christian living.

All you have shown is that (if your interpetation is correct), is that the Haggai the prophet, in the book of Haggai predicts a time, future to us, when all nations shall gather and worship Yahweh in the temple at Jerusalem. This isn't neccarily a fact! It's an interpretation.

However, even if your interpetation is a fact, you still have not shown its relevance to your daily walk before the Lord. You haven't yet stated whether or not you use the book of Haggai, or have EVER used it, in your daily devotions. The fact is that you haven't, have you? If the book of Haggai had never been included in the Old Testament, it would make no difference whatever to your Christian life. Am I right?

I see I'm dealing with what the bible calls a 'learned man':

Isa.29
[11] And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:

I gave you (3) examples of how the book of Haggai helps me in my daily work with God. If you can not see that nor how the following in NOT my interpretation, then the 'book is sealed' to you:

Hag.2
[6] For thus saith the LORD of hosts; Yet once, it is a little while, and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land;
[7] And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts.

I WILL SHAKE ALL NATIONS....does that mean something other than what is written?

THE DESIRE OF ALL NATIONS....does THIS mean something other than what is written?

WILL FILL THIS HOUSE.....again, Paidion, when has ALL OF THESE THINGS HAPPENED?

The prophet Haggai said they will.....so if they DID happen, it's no longer an interpretation...it is a fact.

And if they did not happen yet IT WILL!! YET MAKING IT A FACT!!!

So Paidion, continue with trying to read a book that is sealed unto!
 
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