Who are God's people?

[user.]

Listen to me, you Zionists/Dispensationalists, I will teach you. I will not speak from myself, but what the great Christian scholars have taught.

Listen carefully!

Who are the people of God? The Zionists say it is still the carnal Jews, that is, the Jews who are ethnically descended from Abraham. They, the Zionists, are looking at the flesh. But the Bible says God looks at the spirit (Romans 2:11)! What does this mean now? It means that not the one who is ethnically descended from Abraham is really descended from Abraham, but the one who has the same faith as Abraham is Abraham's descendant (Romans 9:6-9). Christians are the only ones who follow God like Abraham, therefore they are the only people of God. Christians are the true spiritual descendants of Abraham (Galatians 3:28-29). Among Christians there are people from all nations, whether Jews or Gentiles, but they are not different, but all the same in Christ Jesus (Romans 10:12). Those who reject Jesus do not belong to this people of God, be they Jews or Gentiles.

The ethnic Jews who call themselves Jews but do not follow Christ are called false Jews (Rev 2:9). Because a true Jew is the one who is spiritual and not carnal (Rom 2:28-29). A true Jew is the one who is a Christian! The true Israel is Christianity!

He who has God's Spirit understands, but he who does not, does not understand. Blessed is he who understands.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Listen to me, you Zionists/Dispensationalists, I will teach you. I will not speak from myself, but what the great Christian scholars have taught.

Listen carefully!

Who are the people of God? The Zionists say it is still the carnal Jews, that is, the Jews who are ethnically descended from Abraham. They, the Zionists, are looking at the flesh. But the Bible says God looks at the spirit (Romans 2:11)! What does this mean now? It means that not the one who is ethnically descended from Abraham is really descended from Abraham, but the one who has the same faith as Abraham is Abraham's descendant (Romans 9:6-9). Christians are the only ones who follow God like Abraham, therefore they are the only people of God. Christians are the true spiritual descendants of Abraham (Galatians 3:28-29). Among Christians there are people from all nations, whether Jews or Gentiles, but they are not different, but all the same in Christ Jesus (Romans 10:12). Those who reject Jesus do not belong to this people of God, be they Jews or Gentiles.

The ethnic Jews who call themselves Jews but do not follow Christ are called false Jews (Rev 2:9). Because a true Jew is the one who is spiritual and not carnal (Rom 2:28-29). A true Jew is the one who is a Christian! The true Israel is Christianity!

He who has God's Spirit understands, but he who does not, does not understand. Blessed is he who understands.

Incorrect. The Jews are the people of God, Christians were grafted into to the tree so we both are the people of God. At present, a blindness about Christ prevents many Jews from accepting Jesus as Messiah, God's only begotten Son. They have not stumbled so as to fall forever:

7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 Just as it is written: "God has given them a spirit of stupor, Eyes that they should not see And ears that they should not hear, To this very day."
9 And David says: "Let their table become a snare and a trap, A stumbling block and a recompense to them.
10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see, and bow down their back always."
11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles.
12 Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!
13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,
14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them.
15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree,
18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.
19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in."
20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear.
21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.
(Rom. 11:7-21 NKJ)



Who has ascended into heaven, or descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has bound the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name, and what is His Son's name, If you know? (Prov. 30:4 NKJ)

 

[user.]

Incorrect. The Jews are the people of God, Christians were grafted into to the tree so we both are the people of God. At present, a blindness about Christ prevents many Jews from accepting Jesus as Messiah, God's only begotten Son. They have not stumbled so as to fall forever:

7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 Just as it is written: "God has given them a spirit of stupor, Eyes that they should not see And ears that they should not hear, To this very day."
9 And David says: "Let their table become a snare and a trap, A stumbling block and a recompense to them.
10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see, and bow down their back always."
11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles.
12 Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!
13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,
14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them.
15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree,
18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.
19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in."
20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear.
21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.
(Rom. 11:7-21 NKJ)



Who has ascended into heaven, or descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has bound the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name, and what is His Son's name, If you know? (Prov. 30:4 NKJ)

Verse 20 says the Jews were broken off because of unbelief. So Paul confirms me that only faith is decisive. The one who believes Christ belongs to the tree, to the people of God. But the one who does not believe does not belong.

In verse 1, Paul says the Jews were not "cast out" by God, which means that the Jews were not given over to hardening like Pharaoh, but still have the chance to convert to Christianity. Every single Jew can begin to follow Jesus, and of these Jews who follow Christ there is a remnant. This remnant of Jews who follow Christ belong to Christianity, they are Christians.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Verse 20 says the Jews were broken off because of unbelief. So Paul confirms me that only faith is decisive. The one who believes Christ belongs to the tree, to the people of God. But the one who does not believe does not belong.

In verse 1, Paul says the Jews were not "cast out" by God, which means that the Jews were not given over to hardening like Pharaoh, but still have the chance to convert to Christianity. Every single Jew can begin to follow Jesus, and of these Jews who follow Christ there is a remnant. This remnant of Jews who follow Christ belong to Christianity, they are Christians.

No, in Hades is where Jews and Gentiles can rethink their situation. After God purges all addiction to sin and perversion, anything that negatively affects their free will, then they hear the gospel of Christ and can choose to live according to God in the spirit:

For this reason the gospel was preached also to those who are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. (1 Pet. 4:6 NKJ)

That is what Paul is saying in Romans, notice his joy upon realizing their deliverer will come out of Zion to save them, even though they died enemies of the gospel:

25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins."
28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.
29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience,
31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.
33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!
34 "For who has known the mind of the LORD? Or who has become His counselor?"
35 "Or who has first given to Him And it shall be repaid to him?"
36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.
(Rom. 11:25-36 NKJ)

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[gordon777]

All Israel is saved, because they are not are all of Israel, which are Israel.

The promises of God are fulfilled in Christ, now there are no longer excuses, the world is become guilty before God.

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Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Romans 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Romans 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Romans 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

2 Corinthians 1:20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

 

[Highway54]

Listen to me, you Zionists/Dispensationalists, I will teach you. I will not speak from myself, but what the great Christian scholars have taught.

Listen carefully!

Who are the people of God? The Zionists say it is still the carnal Jews, that is, the Jews who are ethnically descended from Abraham. They, the Zionists, are looking at the flesh. But the Bible says God looks at the spirit (Romans 2:11)! What does this mean now? It means that not the one who is ethnically descended from Abraham is really descended from Abraham, but the one who has the same faith as Abraham is Abraham's descendant (Romans 9:6-9). Christians are the only ones who follow God like Abraham, therefore they are the only people of God. Christians are the true spiritual descendants of Abraham (Galatians 3:28-29). Among Christians there are people from all nations, whether Jews or Gentiles, but they are not different, but all the same in Christ Jesus (Romans 10:12). Those who reject Jesus do not belong to this people of God, be they Jews or Gentiles.

The ethnic Jews who call themselves Jews but do not follow Christ are called false Jews (Rev 2:9). Because a true Jew is the one who is spiritual and not carnal (Rom 2:28-29). A true Jew is the one who is a Christian! The true Israel is Christianity!

He who has God's Spirit understands, but he who does not, does not understand. Blessed is he who understands.

Great question, thanks for posting it. The Bible identifies His people beyond any doubt. These 10 identifiers identify it beyond any doubt:
10 ways to identify the one faith
One faith Eph 4:5

1. The one faith would worship the God Jehovah exclusively. (Matthew 4:10) Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to Him alone you must render sacred service.’” (It was written at Deut 6:13).

2. The one faith will not participate in war. Paul stated: (2 Corinthians 10:3) . . .For though we walk in the flesh, we do not wage warfare according to what we are in the flesh. . .

3. The one faith approaches Jehovah through Jesus, Paul said:
(1 Timothy 2:5) . . .For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus. . .Jesus said: (John 14:6) . . .Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. . .

4. Jesus said the one faith would be known by the love of its adherents:
(John 13:34, 35) . . .I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves. . .
It’s adherents would imitate Jesus,
Peter said: (1 Peter 2:21) . . .to this course you were called, because even Christ suffered for you, leaving a model for you to follow his steps closely. . .

5. The one faith will preach the good news of the Kingdom of God, as mankind’s only hope, not a worldly government, Jesus stated:
(John 18:36) . . .“My Kingdom is no part of this world. . . .
He told us to: (Matthew 6:33) 33 “Keep on, then, seeking first the Kingdom and his righteousness, and all these other things will be added to you.
Jesus stated the main reason he came to earth: (Luke 4:43) . . .“I must also declare the good news of the Kingdom of God to other cities, because for this I was sent.”
He assigned his followers to: (Matthew 28:19) . . .Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations,. . ., 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you.

6. The one faith accepts the Bible as the inspired message of God, Paul said:
(2 Timothy 3:16) . . .All Scripture is inspired of God. . .

7. The one faith would appear to be formed in the last days, it’s adherents would be highly educated through instruction, and would live the teachings in their lives: Isaiah wrote: (Isaiah 2:2, 3) . . .In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established . . .And to it all the nations will stream. 3 And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.

8. The one faith would not set men on high, with religious titles, Jesus said: (Matthew 23:8-10) 8 But you, do not you be called Rabbi, for one is your Teacher, and all of you are brothers. 9 Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One. 10 Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ.

9. The one faith does not allow unrepentant sinners to remain among them,
Paul stated: (1 Corinthians 5:11-13) . . .I am writing you to stop keeping company with anyone called a brother who is sexually immoral or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man. . .“Remove the wicked person from among yourselves.”

10. The one faith does not practice interfaith with other “Christian” faiths. All teach the same thing, and have the same line of thought: (2 Cor 6:14) For what fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have?
(Phil 2:2) make my joy full by being of the same mind and having the same love, being completely united, having the one thought in mind.
(1 Corinthians 1:10) Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.
Jesus said: (John 17:20) . . .“I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word. . .in order that they may be one just as we are one.