Who Are The Religious Frauds Paul Said Manifested "A Form Of Godliness" But Denied Its Power?

[Alfred Persson]

1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come:
2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good,
4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, (2 Tim. 3:1-4 NKJ)

These are religious frauds that have a "form of godliness without the power to be "lovers of God"

5 having a form of godliness (2150 εὐσέβεια eusebeia) but denying its power. And from such people turn away! (2 Tim. 3:5 NKJ)

2150 εὐσέβεια eusebeia {yoo-seb'-i-ah}
Meaning: 1) reverence, respect 2) piety towards God, godliness-Strong's Concordance

"Godliness" is "reverence, respect, piety towards God" that makes one a "lover of God rather than a lover of themselves"

How do they "deny" the power of godliness?

They aren't preaching against it, it is their lives that deny godliness' power to live righteously.

Their lives are a denial of Christian godliness, they are lovers of themselves rather than lovers of God.


Then Paul says these "ungodly men" resist God's truth like the magicians Jannes and Jambres:

6 For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts,
7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

8 Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith;
9 but they will progress no further, for their folly will be manifest to all, as theirs also was. (2 Tim. 3:6-9 NKJ)

How did the magicians Jannes and Jambres resist Moses?

Did they deny the power of God to do signs and wonders? Did they deny Moses could do signs and wonders?

Not at all, Jannes and Jambres did powerful signs and wonders that lied to Pharaoh he could resist God:

10 So Moses and Aaron went in to Pharaoh, and they did so, just as the LORD commanded. And Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh and before his servants, and it became a serpent.
11 But Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers; so the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments.
12 For every man threw down his rod, and they became serpents. But Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods.
13 And Pharaoh's heart grew hard, and he did not heed them, as the LORD had said.
14 So the LORD said to Moses: "Pharaoh's heart is hard; he refuses to let the people go. (Exod. 7:10-14 NKJ)

Just as Jannes and Jambres convinced Pharaoh to believe the lie, the religious frauds also do signs and wonders that lie, convincing the gullible their godless "form of godliness" is true Christianity----but "their folly is manifest to all" because their fruits we can know them:

15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
16 "You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
17 "Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
18 "A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
19 "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 "Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, `Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

22 "Many will say to Me in that day, `Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'

23 "And then I will declare to them, `I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!' (Matt. 7:15-23 NKJ)

Therefore, those who deny the power of godliness in this context aren't Christians who don't believe deny speaking in tongues and prophesy is for our day. They are sign and wonder worker TARES sown among the WHEAT whose lives betray their "form of godliness" is a denial of true Christianity where "godliness in power" creates people who are lovers of God rather than lovers of themselves.

 

[Terraphim]

On the one hand, there is the "not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together" verse of Heb10:25, and then there is this verse, "[These are those] having a form of godliness but denying its power. From such turn away!" 2Tim3:5. I have experienced a few such occasions.

Your example of the denial of the biblical legitimacy of tongues and prophecy may be one such circumstance, especially if you can find a better church. Modern-day prophecy is validated by Acts2:17, but priests still often don't prefer to hear the the Spirit of Truth in "their" Church. Speaking in tongues is validated by 1Cor14:2, but speaking in tongues is not a prerequisite for a believer to have the Holy Spirit. A profession of faith in Jesus Christ as the only begotten Son of God is, however, a prerequisite 1John4:2,15.

In the Churches today there are often found those who "make captives of gullible women" 2Tim3:6 by not teaching the scriptural truth about how women are liberated according to God. The bible teaches that, while we are to be subject to one another in all humility, yet the burden of leadership rests upon the man, and that means that the burden of obedience rests upon the woman. Consider this, is it easier for an imperfect woman to serve an imperfect man, or to serve a perfect God? For when women to rise up contrary to scripture, then men of God must assert, "we have no such custom" 1Cor11:16 of proper gender relations, rather than becoming contentious. Even so, when church leadership denies that which is scripturally customary, then it may be time to turn away.

A woman may object to scriptural observance, saying that according to scripture, she cannot be saved except through childbirth 1Tim2:15. O, simple hearts, there is a reason that man is given a head of understanding. One must consider the whole paragraph. To begin with, a woman is commonly saved in the same manner as a man, but 1Tim2:8 mentions wrath, and so women are saved from the wrath of God through childbirth, as they show forth their faith John3:36 through this work, for "faith without works is dead" James2:20. On the other hand, men are enjoined to "pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands" 1Tim2:8. A man who is thus observant, is not therefore, cursing or beating his wife.

And so we shall recall that "neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man, in the Lord" 1Cor11:11, and "This is a great mystery" Eph5:32 (Paul was not ignorant of biology because He was unmarried). And so, let all things be according to proper order, as we wait upon the Lord in love, as we acclaim that scripture is wonderfully wrought.

 

[eddif]

1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come:
2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good,
4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, (2 Tim. 3:1-4 NKJ)

These are religious frauds that have a "form of godliness without the power to be "lovers of God"

5 having a form of godliness (2150 εὐσέβεια eusebeia) but denying its power. And from such people turn away! (2 Tim. 3:5 NKJ)

2150 εὐσέβεια eusebeia {yoo-seb'-i-ah}
Meaning: 1) reverence, respect 2) piety towards God, godliness-Strong's Concordance

"Godliness" is "reverence, respect, piety towards God" that makes one a "lover of God rather than a lover of themselves"

How do they "deny" the power of godliness?

They aren't preaching against it, it is their lives that deny godliness' power to live righteously.

Their lives are a denial of Christian godliness, they are lovers of themselves rather than lovers of God.


Then Paul says these "ungodly men" resist God's truth like the magicians Jannes and Jambres:

6 For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts,
7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

8 Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith;
9 but they will progress no further, for their folly will be manifest to all, as theirs also was. (2 Tim. 3:6-9 NKJ)

How did the magicians Jannes and Jambres resist Moses?

Did they deny the power of God to do signs and wonders? Did they deny Moses could do signs and wonders?

Not at all, Jannes and Jambres did powerful signs and wonders that lied to Pharaoh he could resist God:

10 So Moses and Aaron went in to Pharaoh, and they did so, just as the LORD commanded. And Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh and before his servants, and it became a serpent.
11 But Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers; so the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments.
12 For every man threw down his rod, and they became serpents. But Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods.
13 And Pharaoh's heart grew hard, and he did not heed them, as the LORD had said.
14 So the LORD said to Moses: "Pharaoh's heart is hard; he refuses to let the people go. (Exod. 7:10-14 NKJ)

Just as Jannes and Jambres convinced Pharaoh to believe the lie, the religious frauds also do signs and wonders that lie, convincing the gullible their godless "form of godliness" is true Christianity----but "their folly is manifest to all" because their fruits we can know them:

15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
16 "You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
17 "Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
18 "A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
19 "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 "Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, `Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

22 "Many will say to Me in that day, `Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'

23 "And then I will declare to them, `I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!' (Matt. 7:15-23 NKJ)

Therefore, those who deny the power of godliness in this context aren't Christians who don't believe deny speaking in tongues and prophesy is for our day. They are sign and wonder worker TARES sown among the WHEAT whose lives betray their "form of godliness" is a denial of true Christianity where "godliness in power" creates people who are lovers of God rather than lovers of themselves

Super short IMHO
μαγείαις. Magic
Acts 8:11 kjv
11. And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.

Two sources of what seem to be miracles.
God’s actual godly miracles
Magic arts / sorcery

Of themselves, and not God.

eddif

 

[Alfred Persson]

Super short IMHO
μαγείαις. Magic
Acts 8:11 kjv
11. And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.

Two sources of what seem to be miracles.
God’s actual godly miracles
Magic arts / sorcery

Of themselves, and not God.

eddif

Three sources exist, one more to add to the list. David Copperfield, Penn and Teller etc., prove we humans can be easily deceived by our fellow human beings.

 

[Alfred Persson]

On the one hand, there is the "not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together" verse of Heb10:25, and then there is this verse, "[These are those] having a form of godliness but denying its power. From such turn away!" 2Tim3:5. I have experienced a few such occasions.

Your example of the denial of the biblical legitimacy of tongues and prophecy may be one such circumstance, especially if you can find a better church. Modern-day prophecy is validated by Acts2:17, but priests still often don't prefer to hear the the Spirit of Truth in "their" Church. Speaking in tongues is validated by 1Cor14:2, but speaking in tongues is not a prerequisite for a believer to have the Holy Spirit. A profession of faith in Jesus Christ as the only begotten Son of God is, however, a prerequisite 1John4:2,15.

In the Churches today there are often found those who "make captives of gullible women" 2Tim3:6 by not teaching the scriptural truth about how women are liberated according to God. The bible teaches that, while we are to be subject to one another in all humility, yet the burden of leadership rests upon the man, and that means that the burden of obedience rests upon the woman. Consider this, is it easier for an imperfect woman to serve an imperfect man, or to serve a perfect God? For when women to rise up contrary to scripture, then men of God must assert, "we have no such custom" 1Cor11:16 of proper gender relations, rather than becoming contentious. Even so, when church leadership denies that which is scripturally customary, then it may be time to turn away.

A woman may object to scriptural observance, saying that according to scripture, she cannot be saved except through childbirth 1Tim2:15. O, simple hearts, there is a reason that man is given a head of understanding. One must consider the whole paragraph. To begin with, a woman is commonly saved in the same manner as a man, but 1Tim2:8 mentions wrath, and so women are saved from the wrath of God through childbirth, as they show forth their faith John3:36 through this work, for "faith without works is dead" James2:20. On the other hand, men are enjoined to "pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands" 1Tim2:8. A man who is thus observant, is not therefore, cursing or beating his wife.

And so we shall recall that "neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man, in the Lord" 1Cor11:11, and "This is a great mystery" Eph5:32 (Paul was not ignorant of biology because He was unmarried). And so, let all things be according to proper order, as we wait upon the Lord in love, as we acclaim that scripture is wonderfully wrought.

Don't know what to make of your post, it didn't focus on one thing. But I found your reference to this interesting:

14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
15 Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control. (1 Tim. 2:14-15 NKJ)

While many commentators agree with you, the reference is to being "saved", I don't agree on what is being saved.

In context, the "salvation" depends upon the future continuance in "faith love and holiness, with self control" of her children. What her children do cannot possibly affect the woman's salvation, therefore its more likely its her "reputation" that is being saved.

Then, in context Paul is saying:

If she were deceived by false teaching as was Eve by the Devil, that ruins her reputation as a teacher in church.

But if she repents and stops transgressing---instead raising up God' fearing children, then her "reputation" will be saved in childbearing. Her reputation as a believer in the truth of God.

But, as Paul doesn't fully explain what he meant, we should recall Paul did permit women to speak in the church, greeting women leaders of the church, clearly having authority in the church in their care:

I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the church at Cenchreae, (Rom. 16:1 RSV)

Greet Priscilla and Aquila, my fellow workers in Christ Jesus, (Rom. 16:3 NKJ)

The churches of Asia greet you. Aquila and Priscilla greet you heartily in the Lord, with the church that is in their house. (1 Cor. 16:19 NKJ)

Additional proof, Paul permitted women to prophesy in Church as long as they covered their head:

But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, for that is one and the same as if her head were shaved. (1 Cor. 11:5 NKJ)

 

[Terraphim]

Interesting, I viewed the "if they continue" part as referring to women in general, not as referring to a woman's children. For, the biblical principle is that "The son cannot bear the guilt of the father, nor the father cannot bear the guilt of the son" Ezek18:20. So, a woman's salvation doesn't depend on the behavior of her children, we agree. As the specific type of salvation is not mentioned, it is reasonable to assume that the common salvation in Jesus Christ is what is being referred to. The confusion is that Paul goes from a singular woman to a plural generalization about women, from "she" to "they".

The points about the prophetesses and the deaconess did not catch me totally unaware. Paul not allowing women to speak in church would refer to restraints on chatter and gossip, and to the inadmissibility of women apprehending the position of preacher, and therefore bishop. Which also therefore extends to banning women from the administration of the first works (sacraments).

God did not make women equal to men. Women should be affronted by such an assertion, as should men. The scripture shall not be moved. God has given to each gender it's special characteristics. When Paul wrote, "there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus" Gal3:28 he was referring to the fact that people who are saved are of all sorts, and are united in the Holy Spirit. He was not referring to women when he wrote in v26 that "you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus". Though there is a higher unity in the spirit, women and men have specific roles in the world.

If feminists wish to take over churches, the people of God may start new churches, even if they are home churches. The true church is not a humanistic movement. It cannot be controlled by evil principalities working through deviant worldly authority. The church is the living Word. Those who wish to Live may abide and die to self, and those who prefer to be dead already may try to live it up.

 

[eddif]

Interesting, I viewed the "if they continue" part as referring to women in general, not as referring to a woman's children. For, the biblical principle is that "The son cannot bear the guilt of the father, nor the father cannot bear the guilt of the son" Ezek18:20. So, a woman's salvation doesn't depend on the behavior of her children, we agree. As the specific type of salvation is not mentioned, it is reasonable to assume that the common salvation in Jesus Christ is what is being referred to. The confusion is that Paul goes from a singular woman to a plural generalization about women, from "she" to "they".

The points about the prophetesses and the deaconess did not catch me totally unaware. Paul not allowing women to speak in church would refer to restraints on chatter and gossip, and to the inadmissibility of women apprehending the position of preacher, and therefore bishop. Which also therefore extends to banning women from the administration of the first works (sacraments).

God did not make women equal to men. Women should be affronted by such an assertion, as should men. The scripture shall not be moved. God has given to each gender it's special characteristics. When Paul wrote, "there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus" Gal3:28 he was referring to the fact that people who are saved are of all sorts, and are united in the Holy Spirit. He was not referring to women when he wrote in v26 that "you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus". Though there is a higher unity in the spirit, women and men have specific roles in the world.

If feminists wish to take over churches, the people of God may start new churches, even if they are home churches. The true church is not a humanistic movement. It cannot be controlled by evil principalities working through deviant worldly authority. The church is the living Word. Those who wish to Live may abide and die to self, and those who prefer to be dead already may try to live it up.

1 Corinthians 7:14 kjv
14. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

Now wow. I do not have enough knowledge right now to answer the whole issue. I will be asking for more.

The only way I can handle this conversation is through 220 volt single phase and three phase power using an inverter.
This is a magic arts / science explanation that will have much lack in the description.

Three phase electric motors require three power legs to operate. With just 2 legs working it will burn up running and / or refuse to start again.

As long as a third synthetic power leg is added to single 2 leg power source the motor will start and run, but at a reduced efficiency.

You can have a family, or a church that meets / assembles and seems to have power, but is operating on synthetic power. Somewhere in the equation an understanding of the Holy Spirit is needed for converts / children to experience the full experience of a God supplied complete spiritual life.

The scripture I supplied (with more context area knowledge) says offspring can be holy.

The problem arises that I can not yet supply a 1000 word complete description of all issues. I find my own comment terribly lacking at this point.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[Cooper]

1 Corinthians 7:14 kjv
14. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

Now wow. I do not have enough knowledge right now to answer the whole issue. I will be asking for more.

The only way I can handle this conversation is through 220 volt single phase and three phase power using an inverter.
This is a magic arts / science explanation that will have much lack in the description.

Three phase electric motors require three power legs to operate. With just 2 legs working it will burn up running and / or refuse to start again.

As long as a third synthetic power leg is added to single 2 leg power source the motor will start and run, but at a reduced efficiency.

You can have a family, or a church that meets / assembles and seems to have power, but is operating on synthetic power. Somewhere in the equation an understanding of the Holy Spirit is needed for converts / children to experience the full experience of a God supplied complete spiritual life.

The scripture I supplied (with more context area knowledge) says offspring can be holy.

The problem arises that I can not yet supply a 1000 word complete description of all issues. I find my own comment terribly lacking at this point.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

If a family member is a believer, the home is sanctified by God.
.

 

[eddif]

If a family member is a believer, the home is sanctified by God.
.

Which is what the scripture I posted said. That is my approach.

Now folks that do not see as much in scripture can labor under the law, which does not have the benefit of Pentecost.

Or the convoluted strange three phase synthetic ramble out of todays sometimes Godless science.

eddif

 

[eddif]

Interesting, I viewed the "if they continue" part as referring to women in general, not as referring to a woman's children. For, the biblical principle is that "The son cannot bear the guilt of the father, nor the father cannot bear the guilt of the son" Ezek18:20. So, a woman's salvation doesn't depend on the behavior of her children, we agree. As the specific type of salvation is not mentioned, it is reasonable to assume that the common salvation in Jesus Christ is what is being referred to. The confusion is that Paul goes from a singular woman to a plural generalization about women, from "she" to "they".

The points about the prophetesses and the deaconess did not catch me totally unaware. Paul not allowing women to speak in church would refer to restraints on chatter and gossip, and to the inadmissibility of women apprehending the position of preacher, and therefore bishop. Which also therefore extends to banning women from the administration of the first works (sacraments).

God did not make women equal to men. Women should be affronted by such an assertion, as should men. The scripture shall not be moved. God has given to each gender it's special characteristics. When Paul wrote, "there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus" Gal3:28 he was referring to the fact that people who are saved are of all sorts, and are united in the Holy Spirit. He was not referring to women when he wrote in v26 that "you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus". Though there is a higher unity in the spirit, women and men have specific roles in the world.

If feminists wish to take over churches, the people of God may start new churches, even if they are home churches. The true church is not a humanistic movement. It cannot be controlled by evil principalities working through deviant worldly authority. The church is the living Word. Those who wish to Live may abide and die to self, and those who prefer to be dead already may try to live it up.

1 Timothy 2:15 kjv
15. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

The birth of a single child.
Jesus. The childbearing Greek word is singular.

The birth of children may be a level of understanding. The highest spiritual level of understanding includes the Holy Spirit.

eddif

 

[eddif]

But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come:
2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good,
4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, (2 Tim. 3:1-4 NKJ)

Is this time similar to:
Revelation 20: 1-3
?

Is it in particular verse 3

eddif

 

[Terraphim]

To get to the root of the nature of the word "saved" in 1Tim2:15 we must backtrack to the preceding paragraph. 1Tim2:5,6 sets the stage by positing the common salvation. In 1Tim2:11, 1Tim2:12, and 1Tim2:13 Paul uses the singular woman. Then again, in v14 Paul says, "but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression". The woman, Eve, is singular, and so when v15 begins, Paul begins with the singular "she", but then reverts to the plural "they" for the purpose of generalization. The reversion is in regards to the plurals used in 1Tim2:9,10. The transition from plural to singular and back to plural was necessary because Paul was writing about all Christian women, and then he used the insight concerning the single woman Eve, and then he had to apply that back again to all Christian women.

Consequently, the "saved" 1Tim2:15 which Paul was referring to is salvation in Jesus Christ, not the salvation of a woman's reputation resulting from the good behavior of her children. However, it is clearly not just the common salvation; for all people are commonly saved through a free-will acceptance of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the profession of which is the proof of the saving action of the Holy Spirit by grace through faith. Therefore, the "saved" term of 1Tim2:15 is referring to women's salvation from God's wrath, both in a general sense and in regards to God's wrath as expressed through their husbands. This is evident from 1Tim2:8.

The relevance of this to "from such people turn away" 2Tim3:5 is that, particularly since the abolition of slavery provided the impetus to liberate women from the law of their husbands for the purpose of utilizing them for low wage work, "such people... of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women..." 2Tim3:5,6. This societal trend has had many disastrous consequences.

The effect of the metastasis of the Great Whore of Babylon on the church has been profound. The syncretization of the Ishtar cult to accommodate the Roman matron system resulted in false doctrine and practice. (hence, Paul's low estimation of Cretians, ha ha: syncretism; sorry, all may be saved) Since abolition, these feminist errors have bloomed into social degradation to the extent that the Church has suffered much harm, even to the extent that 2Tim3:5 may apply. The promotion of feminist labor is now viewed as necessary to the drive for military superiority, but the coming of the Lord will change this, before the planetary ecosystem becomes mostly unlivable.

As for women preaching the gospel, my perspective has been moderated by Phil1:18, when there is not a man present who is willing to preach. However, I have had to draw the line when it comes to administering the first works; anointing, baptism, communion, and pedlution. These sacred ordinances must be reserved for a man of God to administer, or else one may properly "turn away" 2Tim3:5.

 

[eddif]

One bride, many membered bride all having one good Christian behavior.
Jesus is the bridegroom.
eddif

 

[Alfred Persson]

Is this time similar to:
Revelation 20: 1-3
?

Is it in particular verse 3

eddif

I understand that literally, Satan is bagged and tagged, cast into the Abyss for a 1,000 years until the end of Christ's Millennial kingdom. So, Paul was speaking about the time just before Christ's 2nd coming, not what things will be at the beginning of His reign.