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Who are these Churches?

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One thing is for sure, these seven Churches are not the false ones of Revelation 17:5 But we will just start with the sixth church and make it simple?

7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

We see who this one is and has a little strength.

8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.

9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Here is another one of the seven! We see no name from the seven. Surely it is not the one with some strength. Yet, they do claim that they are spiritual Jews, and are liars.

10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

What is the hour of temptation that is to come upon the world? Surely it is the last testing of the Mark of the Beast. Notice that it is the sixth church that has been kept. And also it is the synagogue of satan that are on the scene at the time of the 666 Mark.

11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

It is interesting that the 'crown' can be taken away. (fold/wise) Unless one believes that the Word of God can shoot blank warnings such as 2 Corinthians 4:2?
See Revelation 2:5 for what happened to Israel of old. *Read Matthew 23:38. Who do you think took over the church when Christ was put out?
Again, verse nine says what?


12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

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He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

Here is the seventh church & in between the sixth, the synagogue of satan, the 'kept' ones, and now the Laodiceans, no 7. See if you can find them in these verses?

15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

One thing for sure, that is that they still had some love! Another thing is that this is the only condemnation from Christ about them! A sick L-O-V-E. :sad
Notice the thing that they know about themselves.. 'Because thou sayest'!
Christ does not find fault with this knowledge. (Virgin doctrine/wise)

Yet, they are blind, naked, wretched, poor and miserable! Do they know this?
Now: Could Christ be their leader? If not, who is??? See Revelation 3:9 again! But remember, this is a whole 'fold' as was seen in Christ's day here on earth that were also 'Spewed Out'! I WILL SPEW THEE OUT OF MY MOUTH CHRIST SAYS. Verse 16

The real question that all others need answered, is why did Christ Spew them out of His mouth? What does LUKEWARM LOVE mean???
 
John the Baptist said:


The real question that all others need answered, is why did Christ Spew them out of His mouth? What does LUKEWARM LOVE mean???


I'll go right to your ending question for it is the bases and core of it all here as I see it.

First what is lukewarm love? Luke warm in this context would be love that is not full or that is lacking in some way. Love that is lacking conviction or enthusiasm. Were you feel that cold shoulder of one being indifferent if they say they love you but the feeling or expression is not really there.

Christian love should be a dedicated deep agape love. Unconditional! Not a true love really. Almost bordering faking love.

Jesus dose not want that person who rides the fence. Your in it all the way or not at all is what it comes down to there is no middle in obeying God. Make since?
 
Skipdawg said:
John the Baptist said:


The real question that all others need answered, is why did Christ Spew them out of His mouth? What does LUKEWARM LOVE mean???


I'll go right to your ending question for it is the bases and core of it all here as I see it.

First what is lukewarm love? Luke warm in this context would be love that is not full or that is lacking in some way. Love that is lacking conviction or enthusiasm. Were you feel that cold shoulder of one being indifferent if they say they love you but the feeling or expression is not really there.

Christian love should be a dedicated deep agape love. Unconditional! Not a true love really. Almost bordering faking love.

Jesus dose not want that person who rides the fence. Your in it all the way or not at all is what it comes down to there is no middle in obeying God. Make since?


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One thing for sure, that is that they still had some love! Another thing is that this is the only condemnation from Christ about them! A sick L-O-V-E.
Notice the thing that they know about themselves.. 'Because thou sayest'!
Christ does not find fault with this knowledge. (Virgin doctrine/wise)

Yet, they are blind, naked, wretched, poor and miserable! Do they know this?
Now: Could Christ be their leader? If not, who is??? See Revelation 3:9 again! But remember, this is a whole 'fold' as was seen in Christ's day here on earth that were also 'Spewed Out'! I WILL SPEW THEE OUT OF MY MOUTH CHRIST SAYS. Verse 16

The real question that all others need answered, is why did Christ Spew them out of His mouth? What does LUKEWARM LOVE mean???
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John here:
All men still posess some love that they were created with! (none Christian) This Love is the recreated Love, or what some call the Born Again [ONE].

And as Israel who were Christ's OWN [ONE], became a True Virgin 'Candlestick' removed, so is Laodicea SPEWED OUT! This is Israel's counterpart. :sad And with the reason of why. Again the WHOLE of the True Virgin Fold.
 
who are these churches?

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

i know, i know, you're gonna' say "but these are not churches, they are two prophets", but let me remind you of what Jesus said that candlesticks are in the first chapter: "and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches" rev 1:20,

and here is another question: why are there only two of them?
 
Green^Horn said:
who are these churches?

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

i know, i know, you're gonna' say "but these are not churches, they are two prophets", but let me remind you of what Jesus said that candlesticks are in the first chapter: "and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches" rev 1:20,

and here is another question: why are there only two of them?

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Hi, Im not quite sure of your 'two of them' question? But, yes, these are the seven churches, + Revelation 2:5's warning to them.

If one studied the O.T. Sanctuary, they can see that in the earthly Sanctuary (church) as the high priest was leaving its structure, there was the seven Candelsticks in the lampstand, on the right side going out. And Psalms 77:13's 'Inspired' remark!

And Revelation 1:12-14 is an heavenly scene, in which the Vail had been rent from top to bottom in the earthly Sanctuary at Christ's death, making the way into the Most Holy place in heaven itself! But take note of Revelation 11:19's Inspiration!

Any how, these Fold's were to be Christ's representative on earth with having Virgin doctrines. (and all, fold/wise/church was a conditional agreement as well as individually.) Luke 12"47-48)

---John
 
Never forget that Love can be good and bad. Love of the wrong thing is a destructive love and one would be better off without it.

Lukewarm was in reference to being wishy-washy in their following two masters. Preaching Christ, yet living in and following the world. What makes Christ sick, (spewing out), about these people is their testamony. Non-believers could very easily be decieved into accepting this kind of Christianity as the 'truth' when in fact it is a ticket to hell. It sickens Christ that these lukewarm Christians talk a good game but live entirely seperate from Him and His people. They claim to represent Him yet live for Satan.
 
That is exactly as Christ meant it. + some more, in the degree 'scale' of loving affection! (motive) Like the New Commandment, huh? See Luke 12:47-48
 
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