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Who Believes Moses Wrote For Us Living Today??

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God Declared.. [[DOCUMENTED]] in 1 Cor. 10:11 'Now [ALL THESE THINGS HAPPENED UNTO THEM] FOR EXAMPLES: AND [ARE WRITTEN FOR OUR ADMONITION, UPON WHOM THE END OF THE WORLD ARE COME].' (got that??)

'Not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven.' 1 Peter 1:121.

And in Eccl. 3:14-15 we God documented the SAME ETERNAL TRUTH!
[14] I know that, whatsoever God doeth, (or sayeth) it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him. (yet, satans agents just pick & choose whatever he 'desires'!)

[15] That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

Rev.20 [1] And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (how was the devil chained on earth before mankind was created? and we do find him on earth before Adam fell from grace! read the Eccl. 3:15 verse again! What was before the earth was created?? read on! )

[2] And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, [3] And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

[4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Lets put 1 Cor. 6:1-3 in here to document where Inspiration tells us where the saved are at, and in between the 1000 year of the first resurrection & the wicked lost ones of coming forth at the END of the 1000 years... (the second resurection) AND WHAT THE SAVED ARE DOING! Remember that God tells us that the wicked are JUDGED by BOOKS! And they are already judged LOST when Christ comes the Second time... so, this finds one NEEDING to Believe Christ in Luke 12:47-48!

OK: 1Cor.6 [1] Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
[2] Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
[3] Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Again back on with Rev. 20 verse ..
[5] But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. (the number 6 is in the wrong place!)
[6] Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. [7] And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
[8] And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
[9] And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. (At the end of the 1000 years the wicked will be resurrected to die in this Second death. This resurection of them gives satan back his desired subjects for a 'very very short time' before they are Eternally Executed. Luke 12:47-48 Rev. 20:9-10, Obad. 1:16.. you did see the place that these false prophets are? ) Gen.19 (in part)

And again Eccl. 3:15 tells us what was the 'BOTTOM/LESS PIT' was in all of these verses! [1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[2] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
[3] And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. [4] And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
[5] And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
[6] And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. [7] And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
[8] And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. [9] And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
[10] And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. ... be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
[15] And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. [16] And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
[17] And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, [18] And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. Here is some more documention of what the 1000 years are going to be like on earth!!

And in 2 Peter 3
[9] The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. And the EXACT same documentation from Inspiration! Jer. 4 in part, finds that NO MAN could live throught this, NO HEAVENS! NO LIGHT! And the Wicked are ALL DEAD! (judged by record books! Eccl. 12:13-14) and the Saved First Resurected ones are to leave with Christ to heaven for 1000 years! And that leaves the ONLY ONE'S HERE who were here before Adam was created.. satan & his evil angles who are literally CHAINED by this set of documented circumstances. Until the 1000 years are over, and the wicked come up out of their grave the same evil way that they went into it. 'DESIRING satan! Gen. 4:7.

Jer. 4
[23] I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. ... [25] I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, ...
[26] I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
[27] For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.' And the reason for this 27th verse of Truth is that satan is 'CHAINED' per/say, and the wicked are ALL dead with these other saved ones being in heaven until the 1000 year Judgement is over!

Here is another excellent verse of Truth from 2 Thess. 2: (it finds most of mankind in very bad shape! already believing satan's first OPEN LIE!) :(
[8] And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
[9] Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
[10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. [11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
--Elijah
 
Elijah,

Thank you for sharing this with us here at Christian Forums. In truth, there is not a word in the Bible that I do not believe to be written merely for the people of the time it was written. For God brought Christ to die on the cross so that we ALL might find eternal salvation and lean on Him.

Yes, the world has become more and more sinful over time. Which is why as believers, we must realize we NEVER cease to need God in our lives. For He is indeed to be our daily bread.

Thank you once again. This is enlightening. May God Bless You

Danielle
 
Moises saw the promised land from afar....

Moises saw this day and he rejoices in it.
 
There are 613 laws in the Old Testament, the sacraficial one are done away with because Jesus was the Lamb, but the moral laws still stand, all of them. For instance don't sleep with your sister, or if a man works for you don't cheat him. Or woman should not lie with a woman. Is it clear now?
 
Elijah674 said:
God Declared.. [[DOCUMENTED]] in 1 Cor. 10:11 'Now [ALL THESE THINGS HAPPENED UNTO THEM] FOR EXAMPLES: AND [ARE WRITTEN FOR OUR ADMONITION, UPON WHOM THE END OF THE WORLD ARE COME].' (got that??)

And in Eccl. 3:
[15] That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.
Eccl 3:15 that which is to be hath already been;

John records the words of Jesus....

John 17:5
5 "Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory
which I had with You before the world was. NASU

John 17:24
24 "Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me
where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me,
for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. NASU

1 Peter 1:20-21
20 For He was foreknown before the foundation of the world,
but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you NASU


We know nothing about any previous life or existence apart from CHRIST!

Scripture quotes by Ret from NASU w/emphasis supplied.
 
While Moses' words are certainly for our edification, they were NOT written as OUR guide as some assume.

The words of Moses were written as a 'teacher and guide' to the Hebrews/Jews. They were MEANT to TEACH these people what God MOST desired for them to LEARN.

The problem is that they became FOLLOWERS of the words rather than LEARNING the meaning for which they were written.

Are they for us living today? Absolutely in that they are there to SHOW us the relationship of God with man and to offer wisdom and guidance so far as the LESSON that they were MEANT to teach.

Are we to attempt to DO the SAME thing that the Hebrews DID with them? Absolutely NOT. For we NOW have the EXAMPLE of this lesson that 'lives within our hearts'.

If not, then, get back to me and I'll elaborate.........

Blessings,

MEC
 
Elijah674 said:
God Declared.. [[DOCUMENTED]] in 1 Cor. 10:11 'Now [ALL THESE THINGS HAPPENED UNTO THEM] FOR EXAMPLES: AND [ARE WRITTEN FOR OUR ADMONITION, UPON WHOM THE END OF THE WORLD ARE COME].' (got that??)

And again Eccl. 3:15 tells us what was the 'BOTTOM/LESS PIT' was in all of these verses! [1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[2] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
[3] And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. [4] And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
[5] And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
[6] And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. [7] And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
[8] And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. [9] And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
[10] And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. ... be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
[15] And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. [16] And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
[17] And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, [18] And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. Here is some more documention of what the 1000 years are going to be like on earth!!
You record the first 4 'mornings and evenings' of creation. Now, include the rest of creation, separate from your words and, God gives us a micro-picture of HIS temple!

It starts, In the BEGINNING...So, who WAS, and who IS, the BEGINNING and the END?
Who is the FIRST and the LAST, but Jesus Christ, the Son of GOD!

Rev 22:13 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last,
the beginning and the end." NASU
 
Who Believes Moses Wrote For Us Living Today??
We know the answer, when we know the difference between Moses and Jesus Christ!
What is the purpose of Moses? What is the purpose of Jesus Christ?

Heb 3:5-6
5 Now Moses was faithful in all His house as a servant,
for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken later;
6 but Christ was faithful as a Son over His house-- whose house we are,
if we hold fast our confidence and the boast of our hope firm until the end. NASU

John 1:17
17 For the Law was given through Moses;
grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. NASU

Gal 3:23-26
23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law,
being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed.
24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ,
so that we may be justified by faith.
25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. NASU


Moses is the 'tutor' / 'schoolmaster', to lead us to Christ. This is a needful schooling
in which discipline is learned and prepares us for FAITH in Christ Jesus!
 
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