Who has the mind of Christ?

[mutzrein]

A participant on this forum has made what I perceive to be a very bold claim.
I asked him, “Do you say you have the mind of Christ?â€Â
His answer, “Do I have the mind of Christ? Yesâ€Â

Well, there is a reference to having the mind of Christ in 1 Corinthians 2:15-16. ‘The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment: "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.’

So what do you think? Who has the mind of Christ? Do we all? And if we do, is Christ divided because we disagree? And given that one person says that he has the mind of Christ, is he subject to another man’s judgement?

So tell me who has the mind of Christ?

 

[Heidi]

A participant on this forum has made what I perceive to be a very bold claim.
I asked him, “Do you say you have the mind of Christ?â€Â
His answer, “Do I have the mind of Christ? Yesâ€Â

Well, there is a reference to having the mind of Christ in 1 Corinthians 2:15-16. ‘The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment: "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.’

So what do you think? Who has the mind of Christ? Do we all? And if we do, is Christ divided because we disagree? And given that one person says that he has the mind of Christ, is he subject to another man’s judgement?

So tell me who has the mind of Christ?

Anyone who has received the indwelling Holy Spirit has the mind of Christ because the Holy Spirit is the personhood of Christ in the Spirit.

 

[Solo]

The mind of Christ is that which wars with the sinful flesh in those that are born of God. The mind of Christ does not sin, nor can it.

I have the mind of Christ.

 

[Drew]

Well, there is a reference to having the mind of Christ in 1 Corinthians 2:15-16. ‘The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment: "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.’

So what do you think? Who has the mind of Christ? Do we all? And if we do, is Christ divided because we disagree? And given that one person says that he has the mind of Christ, is he subject to another man’s judgement?

So tell me who has the mind of Christ?

I propose that this text describes the status of the "spiritual man" - it is this man who has the mind of Christ. When the text says "we have the mind of Christ", I submit that the "we" need to have actually attained the state of being a spiritual person. Simply laying claim to that state does not seem warranted to me. I am not sure that many ever achieve this status.

To steal from "Forrest Gump" and add some political commentary: "Momma always used to say 'Clinton is as Clinton does'".

To me, anyone who claims to be a "spiritual man" needs to walk the walk - I suggest that it is not a state we automatically acquire upon conversion.

I submit that our common experience suggests that warning lights need to go off whenever someone claims to have some kind of "special knowledge" of God's mind such that others need to accept that person's edicts without critical analysis. In this vein, I reproduce a quote from the author Jacob Bronowski. I think it has application here and serves as a sobering warning for us all (I have added bolding):

"There are 2 parts to the human dilemma. One is a belief that the end justifies the means. That push-button philosophy, that deliberate deafness to suffering, has become a monster in the war machine. The other is the betrayal of the human spirit: the assertion of dogma that closes the mind, and turns a nation a civilisation into a regiment of ghosts - obedient ghosts, or tortured ghosts.'

'It is said that science will dehumanise people and turn them into numbers. That is false, tragically false. In the concentration camp and crematorium at Auschwitz, that is where people were turned into numbers. Into its pond were flushed the ashes of four million people. And that was not done by gas. It was done by arrogance. It was done by ignorance. When people believe that they have absolute knowledge, with no test in reality, this is how they behave. This is what men do when they aspire to the knowledge of gods. We have to cure ourselves of the itch for absolute knowledge and power. We have to close the distance between the push-button order and the human act. We have to touch people."

 

[Drew]

The mind of Christ is that which wars with the sinful flesh in those that are born of God. The mind of Christ does not sin, nor can it.

I have the mind of Christ.

It sounds like you are claiming that you cannot sin. If this is your claim, I think that you have a view of yourself that is so divorced from reality, there probably is nothing productive we can say to each other.

Please tell me that you are not saying what you seem to be saying....

 

[Solo]

The mind of Christ is that which wars with the sinful flesh in those that are born of God. The mind of Christ does not sin, nor can it.

I have the mind of Christ.

It sounds like you are claiming that you cannot sin. If this is your claim, I think that you have a view of yourself that is so divorced from reality, there probably is nothing productive we can say to each other.

Please tell me that you are not saying what you seem to be saying....

Your understanding or your reading comprehension is limited. Perhaps you ought to come to an understanding of the born of God process, and understand Paul's writings to the Romans where he explains the flesh warring with the inward man. For you I will make plain my comment above.

I am born of God and have a sinless inward man, the new creature. I also have the corrupt, mortal flesh which is sold under sin. These two diametrically opposed parts of my being war with each other and the one that wins out is the one who sits in the throne of my being at the moment. In other words, the flesh wins when I walk in the flesh, and the inward man wins when I walk in the spirit. The inward man does not sin, nor can it sin, while the flesh can do nothing but sin. Those who have not been born of God are not able to do anything but sin. I have the mind of Christ because I have been born of God. Simple.

PS. You have never answered my question to you. Have we ever agreed on anything?

 

[Drew]

Your understanding or your reading comprehension is limited.

I may have misunderstood you and that was my oversight. I assume that you will join me by acknowledging your mistakes.....

PS. You have never answered my question to you. Have we ever agreed on anything?

Not so far, I do not think. There is always hope, however....

 

[Solo]

Your understanding or your reading comprehension is limited.

I may have misunderstood you and that was my oversight. I assume that you will join me by acknowledging your mistakes.....

PS. You have never answered my question to you. Have we ever agreed on anything?

Not so far, I do not think. There is always hope, however....

I accept your apology, and will continue to pray for God to give wisdom and understanding to you liberally.

 

[Geo]

Who has the mind of Christ? Many have the mind of The Christ,

Few have the mind of Jesus Christ. The ones that do the will of the Father
have this mind. Not only connected by doctrine, but reliant in reality.

All that are dominated by their own intellect have their own mind,
all that dominated by their own self interest have their own mind,
or dominated by their own self-love have their own mind,

the ones that put their job, their parents, their country or their race first,
have their own mind.

Who has the mind of Christ? The one that died to self. Self-anything
and has the cross as reality, not as doctrine. This goes far beyond
holding a doctrine, it MUST be reality -- or it is not at all.