Who is Greater....?

[wavy]

The Father is greater than the Son. I agree with Heidi.

And I believe there can be more than one elohim (men and angels are called just that).

But there is only one true Elohim who is greater than all and that is the Father.

Trinitarian definition of the word "god" (elohim in Hebrew, theos in Greek) fluctuates within the scriptures whenever it supports preconceived trinitarian doctrine.

They see "god" and use it as if it was the supreme deity (Yahweh the Father) when it comes to Yeshua. Then they reason that since there is only one ontological god, and both are called "god", then they must (along with the Spirit) all be this one "substance/essence/whatever" (manmade concept anyway, it doesn't matter to me) called "god" in three persons.

But this reasoning stems from the original fallacy of making the definition of "god" into supreme being (again, Yahweh the Father) when it applies to Yeshua, when it does not have to be.

 

[mutzrein]

Yeah - I'm with those who agree with scripture. Jesus said the Father is greater than Him. It is the Father who has given all authority to the son and has put everything under His (Jesus) feet. All except himself of course.

 

[Georges]

The Father is greater than the Son. I agree with Heidi.

And I believe there can be more than one elohim (men and angels are called just that).

I agree...

But there is only one true Elohim who is greater than all and that is the Father.

I agree...

Trinitarian definition of the word "god" (elohim in Hebrew, theos in Greek) fluctuates within the scriptures whenever it supports preconceived trinitarian doctrine.

I agree...

They see "god" and use it as if it was the supreme deity (Yahweh the Father) when it comes to Yeshua. Then they reason that since there is only one ontological god, and both are called "god", then they must (along with the Spirit) all be this one "substance/essence/whatever" (manmade concept anyway, it doesn't matter to me) called "god" in three persons.

I very much agree....

But this reasoning stems from the original fallacy of making the definition of "god" into supreme being (again, Yahweh the Father) when it applies to Yeshua, when it does not have to be.

Not many see that, or should I say, realize that....but what you say is supported and makes sense...trouble is, it takes a big step for someone to retool their "safe" theology to be able to accept what you have stated.

Wavy...haven't seen you around much....