Bible Study Who really is " BAAL GAD " ?

[Eliyah]

This Post may or may not be of intrest to some on here, and also this article uses the true( Hebrew to English) name of the Sacred Father and Creator YAH ( Psalms68:4).

In ( Isaiah 65:11) is a very interesting statement made by the Creator through Isaiah the prophet, which many people have never really investigated in depth in the original texts of scripture.

The Old King James Version has this verse translated thus... ""But ye are they that forsake " the LORD",( Note YHWH==Strongs Exaustive Concordance, S.E.C.Heb.Num.3050,3068 , that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for " that troop",( Note see margin-GAD==GAWD=GOD=S.E.C. Heb. Num.1408,1409==A Babylonian Deity called Baal Gad), and that furnish the drink offering unto that number.""

This Babylonian Deity called Baal Gad mentioned in (Joshua 11:17); (Joshua 12:7); (Joshua 13:5), was was later worshipped by the children of Israel, and the true Creator YAH( Psalms 68:4) considered it Idolatry.

If you look in to the "" Webster's Unabridged Deluxe Dictionary, Second Edition, Page 746, "" GAD, 1.IN THE BIBLE, a son of Jacob. 2. A tribe of Israel descended from him. 3. The land where this tribe lived. GAD, gad, interj. A mild oath or expression of suprise, disgust, e.t.c., A EUPHEMISM FOR GOD. ""

Then, when you look at the word "" Baal"( S.E.C. Heb.Num.1167,1168), then you will see that one of its definitions of meaning is ""LORD"".

Now, I ask that you " get out " your Old K.J.V., and one with a "" CENTER REFERENCE COLUMN "" in the center, and LOOK very close in detail of these scriptures as these is pointed out to you, and you will be astounded at this revealed truth.

First, I want to let the K.J.V. point out the meaning of "" BAALI "" in detail, and show you that people are calling YAH this title name, and to point out that He does not approve of it either, and that He is going to remove it forcefully from peoples mouths.

Turn to ( Hosea 2:16 ), but please NOTICE the little small " NUMBERS" and " LETTERS " that are in the verse( as this is for the center reference column).

There is a "" NUMBER 12 "" in the verse 16 of a center reference column only K.J.V..

This "" NUMBER 12 "" in the verse 16 will SHOW You where to LOOK in the CENTER REFERENCE COLUMN by its number for " THE TRUE MEANING " of that word from English to Hebrew.

Look at the number 12 in the "" CENTER REFERENCE COLUMN "".

But, first I'm going to write the verse of ( Hosea 2:16), so that you can compare it to the ORIGINAL MEANING OF SCRIPTURES when we are finished.

K.J.V.== "" And it shall be at that day, saith "" the LORD "", that thou shalt call me Ishi ; and shalt call me no more Baali.""

This word "" BAALI "" has a number "" 12 "" just beside it, and now look at the "" center reference column "" at the number "" 12 "".

Number 12 center reference column says, "" THAT IS, MY LORD"".

Now, when this verse with its names is correctly " transliterated " it will read thus blelow, and it is inescapable that the title name "" BAALI "" means "" LORD ""..

"" And it shall be at that day, saith YHWH=YAH( 3050,3068, see Strongs of word 'lord'), that thou shalt call me( YHWH) my Husband( Ishi, see number 11 in center reference), and shalt call me( YHWH=YAH) NO MORE my "" LORD"".( Hosea 2:16).

Now, the center reference column in the K.J.V. absolutely leaves NO DOUBT as to the true meaning of the "" title name of BAALI "", for it means "" LORD "", and that is exactly what people are calling YHWH=YAH( Psalms 68:4) today.

Now look at ( Hosea 2:17) for it says, "" For I will take away the (titles) names of BAALIM( Plural==lord=baal and god=gad) OUT OF HER MOUTH, and they shall no more be remembered by their( titles) names.

Now, please NOTICE the letter "" P "" in this 17th verse, and in " THE CENTER REFERENCE COLUMN ", and then, in the center reference column, the letter "" P "" refers you to ( Exodus 23:13).

Then, look at ( Exodus 23:13) as this is a COMMANDMENT that is being disobeyed and broken today by churchianity, for if you LOOK at the "" CENTER REFERENCE COLUMN "" and the letter "" N "" that is in ( Exodus 23:13) verse, then, look at the center reference column it refers you BACK to ( Hosea 2:17).

Study this very close with the center reference column in your own K.J.V., and can you truely deny to yourself the truth about people calling the true Father YAH( Psalms 68:4) by the pagan title names of " lord "== baali " ?

Read ( Exodus 23:13) as it is a Command TO NOT EVEN MENTION the title names of pagan " gods==deities " out of our mouths, but worse, people are also applying them to YHWH=YAH( Psalms 68:4), and what is even more worse, is that the translators mis-transliterated the true Creator's Name in the most popular K.J.V. scriptures.

Now, will you believe your own eyes, as you read the true meaning of " BAAL=LORD" in your own K.J.V. scriptures ?

If YAH( Psalms 68:4) is going to remove and take away the title names of BAALIM =LORD and GOD=GAD out of people's mouths in the future, then should we not get an early start at doing that today?

When the title of "" LORD GOD"" is transliterated back into the Hebrew( notice the vowel pointing), it is the same title of "" Baal Gad"", a Babylonian Deity that was condemned by YHWH.( Remember Old Eliyahu the Prophet that faced the Baal prophets?).

This word " GOD==GAD==GAWD" is pronounced the same, and has been applied to the true Creator YHWH, and even in most all the English translations of scriptures too.

The true Creator spoke through Jeremiah the prophet and said this would happen in the last days..."" How long shall this be in the heart( mind) of the prophets that prophesy lies?...Which think to cause my people to FORGET MY NAME( YHWH==YAH=3050,3068, see( Psalms68:4)...as their ( fore)fathers have forgotten MY NAME( YHWH==3050,3068 for (Baal Gad==LORD GOD).""( Jeremiah 23:26-27).

Also, He says that He would remove the names( plural) of Balim( lord and god) out of their mouths( See also Hosea 2:16-17).

Have you investigated this matter fully? The children of Israel was condemned for such Idolatry, and the Apostle said, "" There are LORDS MANY and GODS MANY, and there is not in every man this knowledge.""( ( 1 Corinthians 8:5-7).

YHWH commanded to NOT EVEN MENTION other nation idol deities( (Exodus 23:13), (Joshua 23:7),( Deuteronomy 5:7), and the English " god==gad" is of pagan origin( See Encyclopedieas, especially the Brittannica), even tracing back to the time of the Israelites.

To apply other pagan deities to YHWH is expressly forbidden, and violates the " 1st, 2nd, and 3rd" commandments( Exodus 20:2-7), as most all english translations of scriptures have done also.

Even Solomon succommed to practiceing " Syncretisim", or combinning pagan deities to YHWH because of his 700 wives and 300 concubines, and he too was condemned for his Idolatry( 1 Kings 11:4-6,33).

People will point out in the scriptures concerning other evil " Kings " of Israel that " did evil in the sight of YHWH ", but they just skim over or ignor the lesson concerning Solomon who committed abominations of Idolatry, and he too " DID EVIL IN THE SIGHT OF THE L-RD(YHWH= YAH=3050, 3068--)( 1 Kings 11:6).

And in every place in the scriptures that " Ashtoreth= Astarte= Easter "( The Female deity) was practiced( as it is today), so was the Idolatry worship of " Baal=Lord and Gad=God"( The male diety counterpart of Astarte), and this same thing is being practiced on a world wide scale today by modern churchianity.

In every place that "" Ashtoroth==Astarte==Easter" was practiced( See (Ezekiel 8:14to18), so was the worship of the Babylonian deity called "" Baal Gad=Lord God""( Judges 2:11,13),( 1 Kings 11:33--), and it was condemned by YHWH= YAH, and it even condemned Solomon too( 1 Kings 11:6--).

When I point this out to people concerning Solomon, they are in absolute shock, because most have not fully realized this lesson concerning Solomon and the practice of Idolatry by syncretisim.

Carry this same example on down to today.

Does YHWH accept " syncrenization " of the pagan " Easter=Astarte=Ashoreth " custom with Him and His true worship ? I think You and I BOTH know the answer to that question; well neither does YHWH accept its male deity counterpart of " Baal=Lord and Gad=God " applied to Him either.

In every place that "" Ashtoroth==Astarte==Easter"( Female deity) was practiced, so was the worship of the Babylonian deity called "" Baal Gad=Lord God""( Astarte's Male counterpart)( Judges 2:11,13, 1 Kings 11:33), and it was condemned by YHWH= YAH.

The word "god" comes from the Old German ""Gott, Guth"", which originated from worship of tarus the bull( See All Encyclopedieas especially the Brittanica of word "god").

So Solomon too did " think there was nothing wrong" with combinning pagan deities to YHWH either, but YAH certainly did think it was wrong, and this resulted in rending the Kingdom from him, and the split of the Kingdom, and the rejection of Solomon.

There are many examples in scriptures where the children of Israel were taken captive by other nations for practicing " syncretisim" of pagan deities to YHWH=YAH( Psalms68:4).

In ( Acts 14:12-15) of the pagan Jupiter, which is another example of combining pagan deities to YHWH, but to the Romans, Jupiter was the suppreme being, but he was NOT the suppreme being according to the Apostle either.

It may not seem to make a difference to human beings, but it certainly does to YHWH, as His Word absolutely proves that it does matter.

The Hebrew words " EL" and " Elohim" existed long BEFORE( According to scriptures) and it was originally a pure word title applied to YAH; but pagan cultures adopted it and applied it to their deities; but the word " gad=god" was used exclusively to a pagan Babylonian deity of Baal( =lord) Gad(= god), and used for worship of taurus the bull.

Inspite of what commentaries, lexicons, e.t.c. say, the word " god= gad" is not a correct transliteration from the word " EL" in Hebrew.

The Titles of " EL and Elohim" was originally pure Titles applied to YAH, but the word " god=gad" was and is applied to a Babylonian deity, which is condemned in ( Isaiah 65:11).

In ( Jeremiah 8:8) it was prophesied that the scribes and translators would alter the scriptures texts.

And an example of that is by comparing N.T. texts as quoted from the original scriptures, with that of the O.T.texts.

Example of alteration from Hebrew to Greek to English is as follows below.

In the ( O.K.J.V.) of ( Matthew 4:4);( Luke 4:4) where Messiah said ""...but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of "" GOD( English)"", and "" Theos( Greek)"".

Here, the Messiah quoted( compare) from ( Deuteronomy 8:3)
which should read, "" .... but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of "" THE LORD"( K.J.V.)( =S.E.C. Heb.Numbs. 3050,3068==YAH) doth man live.""

Why is the word "" god"" used in ( Matthew 4:4);( Luke 4:4) and the word "" LORD" is used in ( Deuteronomy 8:3), but both leave out the true name of YAH( 3050,3068)??

The Greeks used their " deity" of " Theos" in translation, and the English merely used theirs of "" God"", but the original text says "" YAH "(S.E.C. 3050,3068).

This is one prime example of alteration and syncretisim, and covering up the true Creator's name with pagan titles in other cultures languages.

To the Greeks and Romans, their " Theos deity" was Zeus and Jupiter, not the true Creator YAH, and whenever the scriptures were translated into other cultures languages, the translators merely inserted their own " Deity" in place of the true Name of YAH See (Psalms68:4), for the short form).

This may come as an EYE OPENER and a shock to many, but the Book of Revelation says that in the last days the whole earth would be worshipping satan the devil( See Revelation 12:9);( Revelation 13:3-4) (Revelation 13:8);( Revelation 13:8) through his deception.

Paul certainly NEVER used the pagan title of " theos", because Paul admitted that he observed the entirety of the law( Acts 24:14), and that would include ( Exodus 20:2-7);( Exodus 23:13);( Deuteronomy 5:7);(Joshua 23:7).

Also, Paul was against their " pagan theos of Jupiter" in ( Acts 14:11-15).

But, no matter how much proof from scriptures that is given to people, and even examples such as Solomon that practiced " syncretisim", which was, and still is prohibitted and condemned by YHWH, people will still do what they see right in their own eyes( Remember the Proverb?).

I do believe that there are honest people out there, and those who are truely TRUTH SEEKERS will eventually see this truth.

Otherwise, how could satan the devil deceive the whole world and its inhabitants into worshipping him in THE END TIMES( (Revelation 9:20);(Revelation 12:9);( Revelation 13:3) ( Revelation 13:4 ),( Revelation 13:8) through his deception ?

Think about it, and pray about it.

Thank you for taking the time to read and consider this article.

Eliyah on the net!

 

[dcookcan]

Firstly, let me say that that was a great rant.

This Post may or may not be of intrest to some on here, and also this article uses the true( Hebrew to English) name of the Sacred Father and Creator YAH ( Psalms68:4).
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I found the post interesting, but you did not use the true name of YHWH, because all of your words were in English. YHWH or YHVH are english letters that represent th Hebrew letters of his name. You would actually have to use the Hebrew letters to use his 'real' name. YAH is a shortened version of a transliteration of his name. I don't know if there is an accurate transliteration of his name in English because Judah has guarded its pronunciation to prevent people from taking his name in vain.

The Hebrew words " EL" and " Elohim" existed long BEFORE( According to scriptures) and it was originally a pure word title applied to YAH; but pagan cultures adopted it and applied it to their deities; but the word " gad=god" was used exclusively to a pagan Babylonian deity of Baal( =lord) Gad(= god), and used for worship of taurus the bull.

Inspite of what commentaries, lexicons, e.t.c. say, the word " god= gad" is not a correct transliteration from the word " EL" in Hebrew.

The Titles of " EL and Elohim" was originally pure Titles applied to YAH, but the word " god=gad" was and is applied to a Babylonian deity, which is condemned in ( Isaiah 65:11).

EL and ELOHIM are titles, plane and simple. The fact that it is in Hebrew makes no difference. They are used to refer to both YHWH and the false gods of the nations. (i.e. You shall have no other 'elohim' before me.)

 

[Eliyah]

Evidently you did not pay close attention to what i wrote.

Listen Popcan, evidently you did NOT notice carefully what I wrote.

The Hebrew words " EL" and " Elohim" existed long BEFORE( According to scriptures , See book of Gen.) and it was originally a pure word title applied to YAH; but pagan cultures adopted it and applied it to their deities.

I never said that other nation's DID NOT apply the Hebrew title of " EL and Elohim " to their deities, I said that they did, but in the beginning of Gen., they were originally applied to YHWH= YAH-WEH.

But, the English words "" god=gad=gawd=guwd " which is Strongs Hebrew Dictionary numbers 1408, 1409, 1410, 1464 is a exclusive title of the Babylonian deity called "" BAAL=LORD and GAD=GOD"( Isaiah 65:11) under the words of "" THAT TROOP ""( K.J.V.).

And evidently you also ignored this, ""

If you look in to the "" Webster's Unabridged Deluxe Dictionary, Second Edition, Page 746, "" GAD, 1.IN THE BIBLE, a son of Jacob. 2. A tribe of Israel descended from him. 3. The land where this tribe lived. GAD, gad, interj. A mild oath or expression of suprise, disgust, e.t.c., A EUPHEMISM FOR GOD. ""

The English word title " gad " that is used in ( Isaiah 65:11) see the center reference column, is the same word as the English word title " god ", which is applied exclusively to a Babylonian( See Revelation 18:4) deity called Baal=lord and Gad=god, that this world really worships.

You also said, ""

I don't know if there is an accurate transliteration of his name in English because Judah has guarded its pronunciation to prevent people from taking his name in vain.

Let's see, what does the word "" VAIN "" mean ? It means bringing His YHWH= YAH'S Name to "" NOTHING "", and that is exactly what people today have done, and even the English translations by substituting pagan titles of "" lord =baal and god=gad " in place of His Name.

Well, the( Encyclopedia Judaica, Vol.7, Page 680) dis-proves you concerning His Name.

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YHWH. The personal name...written in the Hebrew Bible with the four consonants YHWH and is referred to as the "Tetragrammaton." At least until the destruction of the First Temple in 586 B.C.E. this name was regularly pronounced with its proper vowels, as is clear from the Lachish Letters, written shortly before that date. But at least by the third century B.C.E. the pronunciation of the name YHWH was avoided, and Adonai, "the Lord", was substituted for it, as evidenced by the use of the Greek word Kyrios, "Lord", for YHWH in the Septuagint, the translation of the Hebrew Scriptures that was begun by Greek-speaking Jews in that century.

Where the combined form 'Adonai YHWH occurs in the Bible, this was read as 'Adonai 'Elohim, "Lord God". In the early Middle Ages, when the consonantal text of the Bible was supplied with vowel points to facilitate its correct traditional reading, the vowel points for 'Adonai with one variation__a sheva with the first yod of YHWH instead of the hataf-patah under the aleph of 'Adonai__were used for YHWH, thus producing the form YeHoWaH. When Christian scholars of Europe first began to study Hebrew, they did not understand what this really meant, and they introduced the hybrid name "Jehovah". In order to avoid pronouncing even the sacred name 'Adonai for YHWH, the custom was later introduced of saying simply in Hebrew ha-Shem (or Aramaic Shema', "the Name") even in such an expression as "Blessed be he that cometh in the name of YHWH" (Ps. 118:26). The avoidance of pronouncing the name YHWH is generally ascribed to a sense of reverence.

More precisely, it was caused by a misunderstanding of the Third Commandment (Ex. 20:7; Deut. 5:11) as meaning "Thou shalt not take the name of YHWH thy God in vain", whereas it really means "You shall not swear falsely by the name of YHWH your God" (JPS).
The true pronunciation of the name of YHWH was never lost. Several early Greek writers of the Christian Church testify that the name was pronounced "Yahweh".

In ( John 8:44) satan the devil is called a " father ", and in ( John 17:11) the Messiah( Christ) prayed to the real true HOLY FATHER.

If you do not KNOW the real true Holy Father's Name of YAH( for short Psalms 68:4) then how do you KNOW for certain WHICH "" father "" to whom you pray to and worship, the false "" father the devil ""( John 8:44), or, the true Holy FATHER ( John 17:11) ???

How can anyone really KNOW who YOU are personally, if they do not know your real name?

This is WHY I asked the question before.

""

Otherwise, how could satan the devil deceive the whole world and its inhabitants into worshipping him in THE END TIMES( (Revelation 9:20);(Revelation 12:9);( Revelation 13:3) ( Revelation 13:4 ),( Revelation 13:8) through his deception ? ??

Better think about that again.

Eliyah on the net!

 

[Eliyah]

Will you consider it in THE LATTER DAYS?

Ok, You want MORE scriptural evidence of this?

I'm going to "" point out a clear Prophecy " that refers to THE LATTER DAYS for you to consider.

But will you consider it as YHWH says?

( Jeremiah 23:20 )The anger of YAH( the lord K.J.V.=3050,3068 Strongs H.D.) shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart( mind):IN THE LATTER DAYS ye shall consider it perfectly.

Now NOTICE""

IN THE LATTER DAYS ye shall consider it perfectly.

Now, there can be no doubt that this is referring to ""THE LATTER DAYS "".

And will you ,"" consider it perfectly "" as He says?

Now, SEE what YHWH=YAH( Psalms 68:4 for short) says concerning modern day false prophets and ministers, and what He wants us to consider perfectly.

Continue, ""

""( Jeremiah 23:21) I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied

Now, He goes on to talk about these modern day " prophets " through ( Jeremiah 23:22to25).

Now, please notice, just WHAT these LATTER DAYS prophets are doing exactly.

( Jeremiah 23:26) How long shall this be in the heart( mind) of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart( mind);

( Jeremiah 23:27 ) Which think to cause my people to forget my NAME( YAH-3050,3068, -by titles of ' lord ' and 'god') by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their (fore)fathers have forgotten my NAME( YAH--not titles) for Baal( == titles of lord).

Here YHWH is saying that the modern day-LATTER DAYS prophets have caused His People to forget His NAME( YHWH- not titles) for the title names of BAAL=LORD and GAD=GOD.

And we have now truely considered it, in the LATTER DAYS, as modern prophets of baalim have taught YAH'S people to forget His NAME.

And here is a terrible indictment against those LATTER DAYS prophets of Baalim, that have taught His People to forget His NAME for pagan titles of " lord and god ".

( Jeremiah 23:22) But if they had stood in my counsel( the law or torah), and had caused my people to hear( understand) my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings

Well, these modern prophets have not done that either, have they?

Now, have we not considered it perfectly in THE LATTER DAYS( See also Revelation 2:14) ?

Now be honest with yourself, is this not exactly what has happened today concerning the common people?

All the English translations( and most of other languages) have covered up YAH'S Name in scriptures more than 6 thousand, 8 hundred, and 23( 6,823) times by pagan titles.

Now, will people even consider it in the LATTER DAYS?

Eliyah C.

 

[Eliyah]

Will you consider it in THE LATTER DAYS?

Ok, You want MORE scriptural evidence of this?

I'm going to "" point out a clear Prophecy " that refers to THE LATTER DAYS for you to consider.

But will you consider it as YHWH says?

( Jeremiah 23:20 )The anger of YAH( the lord K.J.V.=3050,3068 Strongs H.D.) shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart( mind):IN THE LATTER DAYS ye shall consider it perfectly.

Now NOTICE""

IN THE LATTER DAYS ye shall consider it perfectly.

Now, there can be no doubt that this is referring to ""THE LATTER DAYS "".

And will you ,"" consider it perfectly "" as He says?

Now, SEE what YHWH=YAH( Psalms 68:4 for short) says concerning modern day false prophets and ministers, and what He wants us to consider perfectly.

Continue, ""

""( Jeremiah 23:21) I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied

Now, He goes on to talk about these modern day " prophets " through ( Jeremiah23:22to25).

Now, please notice, just WHAT these LATTER DAYS prophets are doing exactly.

( Jeremiah23:26) How long shall this be in the heart( mind) of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart( mind);

( Jeremiah23:27 ) Which think to cause my people to forget my NAME( YAH-3050,3068, -by titles of ' lord ' and 'god') by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their (fore)fathers have forgotten my NAME( YAH--not titles) for Baal( == titles of lord).

Here YHWH is saying that the modern day-LATTER DAYS prophets have caused His People to forget His NAME( YHWH- not titles) for the title names of BAAL=LORD and GAD=GOD.

And we have now truely considered it, in the LATTER DAYS, as modern prophets of baalim have taught YAH'S people to forget His NAME.

And here is a terrible indictment against those LATTER DAYS prophets of Baalim, that have taught His People to forget His NAME for pagan titles of " lord and god ".

( Jeremiah23:22) But if they had stood in my counsel( the law or torah), and had caused my people to hear( understand) my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings

Well, these modern prophets have not done that either, have they?

Now, have we not considered it perfectly in THE LATTER DAYS( See also Revelation2:14) concerning "" the doctrines of Baalim) ?

Now be honest with yourself, is this not exactly what has happened today concerning the common people?

All the English translations( and most of other languages) have covered up YAH'S Name in scriptures more than 6 thousand, 8 hundred, and 23( 6,823) times by pagan titles.

Now, will people even consider it in the LATTER DAYS?

Eliyah C.

 

[dcookcan]

Well Eliyah (or did you think you were representing EliYAHu)

If you think you know how to pronouce "yud-heh-vav-heh" based on the testimony of an early church GREEK translator; good for you. Why don't you go back to church and accept the testimony of the rest of the church fathers also.

You are obviously of the "sacred name only" variety. I see you like to add a heh to the saviour's name. Why don't you study a little Hebrew and look into those dictionaries a little further to learn something about what Miriam called her son.

His name was SALVATION. HE was SALVATION.
His name was not YAH is my salvation because He was YAH. He was SALVATION! (Still is too despite the adversary'e efforts to hide it and turn it into nothing, which is exacrtly what you are trying to do.)

Take care

 

[Eliyah]

To DCOOKCAN.

You said, ""Well Eliyah (or did you think you were representing EliYAHu) "" Unquote of You.

Listen popcan, my REAL NAME IS "" Eliyah", but i'm man enough to use my real name on here, whereas most everyone else uses a nickname to hide their identity, but I don't claim to be anything.


You- said ""

If you think you know how to pronouce "yud-heh-vav-heh" based on the testimony of an early church GREEK translator; good for you. Why don't you go back to church and accept the testimony of the rest of the church fathers also.

I'm not basing this on the testimony" Irenias, Ignatius e.t.c." of your catholic church fathers.

You-also said, ""

You are obviously of the "sacred name only" variety. I see you like to add a heh to the saviour's name. Why don't you study a little Hebrew and look into those dictionaries a little further to learn something about what Miriam called her son.

I know the Hebrew, and the meaning of Messiah's Name, but YHWH and Miriam being a Hebrew herself certainly NEVER gave the Messiah a " Greek-Latin " name of "je'sus " either did she?

You also said, ""

His name was SALVATION. HE was SALVATION.
His name was not YAH is my salvation because He was YAH. He was SALVATION! (Still is too despite the adversary'e efforts to hide it and turn it into nothing, which is exacrtly what you are trying to do.)

I do agree with you on one thing concerning the meanimg of His name which is exactly as ( Matthew 1:21) for He IS YAH'S SALVATION.

And, IF I'm trying to "" hide "" His name( as you accuse me of ) then why am i the only one on this forum TRYING TO POINT IT OUT TO THE COMMON PEOPLE that their( Father and Son's ) true real names have been hidden and covered up with heathen PAGAN TITLES of "" lord=baal and god=gad ""?????

And why are YOU so against using the true names for SALVATION?

I don't see YOU doing that on here, and if you really know the Father and Son's real true names, THEN WHY DON"T YOU USE THEM, instead of committing Idolatry( spiritual adultry of Baalim( Revelation 2:14)) by using subsitute idol pagan titles( lord and god) and names of a false saviour as there are many today( Matthew 24:24)???

The Desciple Peter quoted verbatim the Prophet Joel in ( Joel 2:32) when he said in ( Acts 2:21)

And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name( not pagan titles) of the Lord(lord== Strongs Hebrew Nums. 3050,3068=YAH)shall be saved or delivered.

Notice he said, ""

And it shall come to pass, that WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL ON THE NAME( YAH--not pagan titles of 'lord and god')SHALL BE SAVED or delivered.

Also, the Desciple Peter explicitly stated in, ""

( Acts 4:10-12) referring to the name YAHU-SHUA( S.E.C.H.3091 from 3068)) Messiah verse 10( not the greek-latin name of je'sus), and Peter said ( Acts 4:12) Neither is there SALVATION in any other( Name or Person): for there is NONE OTHER NAME( YAH--not pagan titles of 'lord and god') under heaven given among men, WHEREBY WE MUST BE SAVED.

Did Peter say, "" that there was none other 'title' to call on to be saved? No.

The Apostle Paul explicitly said the same in ( Romans 10:13), for he too quoted the Prophet Joel verbatim in ( Joel 2:32), but this time Paul asks some very IMPORTANT QUESTIONS concerning the true Name to call on for SALVATION.

Paul asks, ""

( Romans 10:14 )How then shall they( the common people) call on him( YAH) in whom they( the common people) have not believed? and how shall they believe in him( YAH) of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

Now I ask the SAME QUESTION ABOVE TO YOU and everyone else, how can the common people call on Him( YAH), when all the common people have heard is "" pagan titles of lord and god "" instead of His true Name??

The Messiah Yahushua said, ""

( John 5:43) I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name( the greek-latin je'sus), him ye will receive.

Now, I have given you 3 different People( Joel, Peter, and Paul) and 4 different scriptures proving the true NAME( not titles lord and god of Baalim) that one MUST CALL UPON TO BE SAVED AND RECEIVE SALVATION( Joel 2:32),( Acts 2:21),( Acts 4:12),( Romans 10:13).

Now, go DENY THEM, will you?

And who really has been hiding their( Father and Son's) true Names from the common people, as Paul asked the questions in( Romans 10:14)??

And who calls on the idol image ( Revelation 13:15) of the pagan titles of 'lord and god ' to commit Idolatry( Revelation 2:14), and who are all those that worship satan the devil and the beast( Revelation 13:3), ( Revelation 13:4), ( Revelation 13:8) IN THE LATTER DAYS through satan's deception( Revelation 12:9)???

Now, answer all those questions ABOVE with scriptures, and not merely your own ideas but about them, and then come back and tell me WHO is really hiding the true ONE"S names for SALVATION from the common people??

Now, You have no more excuse, and no more cloak for such transgressions.

Eliyah C. on the net!

 

[Eliyah]

To DCOOKCAN.

You said, ""Well Eliyah (or did you think you were representing EliYAHu) "" Unquote of You.

Listen popcan, my REAL NAME IS "" Eliyah", but i'm man enough to use my real name on here, whereas most everyone else uses a nickname to hide their identity, but I don't claim to be anything.


You- said ""

If you think you know how to pronouce "yud-heh-vav-heh" based on the testimony of an early church GREEK translator; good for you. Why don't you go back to church and accept the testimony of the rest of the church fathers also.

I'm not basing this on the testimony" Irenias, Ignatius e.t.c." of your catholic church fathers.

You-also said, ""

You are obviously of the "sacred name only" variety. I see you like to add a heh to the saviour's name. Why don't you study a little Hebrew and look into those dictionaries a little further to learn something about what Miriam called her son.

I know the Hebrew, and the meaning of Messiah's Name, but YAH the true FATHER, and Miriam being a Hebrew herself certainly NEVER gave the Messiah a " Greek-Latin " name of "je'sus " either did they?

You also said, ""

His name was SALVATION. HE was SALVATION.
His name was not YAH is my salvation because He was YAH. He was SALVATION! (Still is too despite the adversary'e efforts to hide it and turn it into nothing, which is exacrtly what you are trying to do.)

I do agree with you on one thing concerning the meanimg of His name which is exactly as ( Matthew 1:21) for He IS YAH'S SALVATION.

And, IF I'm trying to "" hide "" His name( as you accuse me of ) then why am i the only one on this forum TRYING TO POINT IT OUT TO THE COMMON PEOPLE that their( Father and Son's ) true real names have been hidden and covered up with heathen PAGAN TITLES of "" lord=baal and god=gad ""?????

And why are YOU so against using the true names for SALVATION?

I don't see YOU doing that on here, and if you really know the Father and Son's real true names, THEN WHY DON"T YOU USE THEM, instead of committing Idolatry( spiritual adultry of Baalim( Revelation 2:14)) by using subsitute idol pagan titles( lord and god) and names of a false saviour as there are many today( Matthew 24:24)???

The Desciple Peter quoted verbatim the Prophet Joel in ( Joel 2:32) when he said in ( Acts 2:21)

And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name( not pagan titles) of the Lord(lord== Strongs Hebrew Nums. 3050,3068=YAH)shall be saved or delivered.

Notice he said, ""

And it shall come to pass, that WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL ON THE NAME( YAH--not pagan titles of 'lord and god')SHALL BE SAVED or delivered.

Also, the Desciple Peter explicitly stated in, ""

( Acts 4:10-12) referring to the name YAHU-SHUA( S.E.C.H.3091 from 3068)) Messiah verse 10( not the greek-latin name of je'sus), and Peter said ( Acts 4:12) Neither is there SALVATION in any other( Name or Person): for there is NONE OTHER NAME( YAH--not pagan titles of 'lord and god') under heaven given among men, WHEREBY WE MUST BE SAVED.

Did Peter say, "" that there was none other 'title' to call on to be saved? No.

The Apostle Paul explicitly said the same in ( Romans 10:13), for he too quoted the Prophet Joel verbatim in ( Joel 2:32), but this time Paul asks some very IMPORTANT QUESTIONS concerning the true Name to call on for SALVATION.

Paul asks, ""

( Romans 10:14 )How then shall they( the common people) call on him( YAH) in whom they( the common people) have not believed? and how shall they believe in him( YAH) of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

Now I ask the SAME QUESTION ABOVE TO YOU and everyone else, how can the common people call on Him( YAH), when all the common people have heard is "" pagan titles of lord and god "" instead of His true Name??

The Messiah Yahushua said, ""

( John 5:43) I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name( the greek-latin je'sus), him ye will receive.

Now, I have given you 3 different People( Joel, Peter, and Paul) and 4 different scriptures proving the true NAME( not titles lord and god of Baalim) that one MUST CALL UPON TO BE SAVED AND RECEIVE SALVATION( Joel 2:32),( Acts 2:21),( Acts 4:12),( Romans 10:13).

Now, go DENY THEM, will you?

And who really has been hiding their( Father and Son's) true Names from the common people, as Paul asked the questions in( Romans 10:14)??

And who calls on the idol image ( Revelation 13:15) of the pagan titles of 'lord and god ' to commit Idolatry by calling on pagan title names of Baalim( Revelation 2:14), and who are all those that worship satan the devil and the beast( Revelation 9:20), ( Revelation 13:3), ( Revelation 13:4), ( Revelation 13:8) IN THE LATTER DAYS through satan's deception( Revelation 12:9)???

Now, answer all those questions ABOVE with scriptures, and not merely your own ideas but about them, and then come back and tell me WHO is really hiding the true ONE"S names for SALVATION from the common people??

Now, You have no more excuse for calling on pagan idol image titles, and no more cloak for that transgression.

Eliyah C. on the net!

 

[PHIL121]

Eliyah, You must have the same problem I had when I first joined the forum, double-posting....

Just hit the send button once.....posts get posted, but you get that "server not responding message", and have to reload the page.

I'm PM'ed both Judy and Logan about it, but apparently Logan's not sure how to fix it.

 

[Eliyah]

Sorry about the double post, but...

Sorry about the double post, and it looks as if you NOTICED the DOUBLE post, but evidently you did not read either post, for if you did, and really understood them, you would not be using pagan titles.

Eliyah C.

 

[PHIL121]

Re: Sorry about the double post, but...

Sorry about the double post, and it looks as if you NOTICED the DOUBLE post, but evidently you did not read either post, for if you did, and really understood them, you would not be using pagan titles.

Eliyah C.

: :

I guess you're refering to the fact I use "phil121" as my nickname. It's alot easier to type than Kris Weinschenker, which if you check my blog is my real name.

 

[dcookcan]

Re: To DCOOKCAN.

You said, ""Well Eliyah (or did you think you were representing EliYAHu) "" Unquote of You.

Listen popcan, my REAL NAME IS "" Eliyah", but i'm man enough to use my real name on here, whereas most everyone else uses a nickname to hide their identity, but I don't claim to be anything.

If you would like to know my name, it is David Cook and I live in Canada. So you see, my name and location were hidden in plain site. Not only am I man enough to let you know my name, I am man enough to give you my email address and phone number if you request it. So you can stop with the (attempted) insults.

I'm not basing this on the testimony" Irenias, Ignatius e.t.c." of your catholic church fathers..

The following is quoted from you previous post and was the basis of my statement. They are YOUR fathers, not mine; I am not quoting them for arguemnets sake, you are.

Several early Greek writers of the Christian Church testify that the name was pronounced "Yahweh".

You-also said, ""

You are obviously of the "sacred name only" variety. I see you like to add a heh to the saviour's name. Why don't you study a little Hebrew and look into those dictionaries a little further to learn something about what Miriam called her son.

I know the Hebrew, and the meaning of Messiah's Name, but YAH the true FATHER, and Miriam being a Hebrew herself certainly NEVER gave the Messiah a " Greek-Latin " name of "je'sus " either did they?

I never said they did; the opposite is implied in my words that you quoted.

You also said, ""

His name was SALVATION. HE was SALVATION.
His name was not YAH is my salvation because He was YAH. He was SALVATION! (Still is too despite the adversary'e efforts to hide it and turn it into nothing, which is exacrtly what you are trying to do.)

I do agree with you on one thing concerning the meanimg of His name which is exactly as ( Matthew 1:21) for He IS YAH'S SALVATION.

And, IF I'm trying to "" hide "" His name( as you accuse me of ) then why am i the only one on this forum TRYING TO POINT IT OUT TO THE COMMON PEOPLE that their( Father and Son's ) true real names have been hidden and covered up with heathen PAGAN TITLES of "" lord=baal and god=gad ""?????

Because you are trying to express Hebrew words and titles in English. You are shortening God's actual name (much like calling me popcan) and presenting it as His true and complete name. You are adding a heh to Yeshua's name, which reduces His office from that of God in the flesh to Flesh that God merely worked through. There is no forensic literary apologetic references that could explain why you must add a heh to the saviour's name; there is for yud-shin-vav-ayin.

And why are YOU so against using the true names for SALVATION?

I don't see YOU doing that on here, and if you really know the Father and Son's real true names, THEN WHY DON"T YOU USE THEM, instead of committing Idolatry( spiritual adultry of Baalim( Revelation 2:14)) by using subsitute idol pagan titles( lord and god) and names of a false saviour as there are many today( Matthew 24:24)???

You are inferring that you actually took the time to read some of my other posts, which you clearly have not. If you took the time to do that, you may not have slandered me like that. Because I am writing in English to English speeking Greek minds, I express my thoughts as best I can in their language, much like you are trying to do. I will look into the rest of your post later; I am buring up my lunch break right now.

 

[Eliyah]

Listen David,

I'm not " slandering you"( sorry if you take it for that), but maybe both of us are " mis-understanding" each other.

I've been using the short form of the Name "" Yah "( Exodus.15:2); (Psalms 68:4), because in the English King James Version, the short form of " Yah " is used ONLY in ( Psalms 68:4).

But, whether You want to use the modern form name of "" Yeshua ", I have no problem with using that name for Messiah.

But, what my first original post is about, is referring to YHWH with pagan English idol image titles of " lord=baal and god=gad ""( Jeremiah 23:26-27);( Hosea 2:16-17) which violates His commands in ( Exodus 20:2-7),( Exodus 23:13), ( Joshua 23:7).

All the English translations have brought YHWH'S Name "" TO NOTHING " or meaning " VAIN " by substituting pagan origin idol titles in place of His name, and the whole religious world is practicing Idolatry by" syncretisim ".

YHWH and neither will Messiah accept such Idolatry practice of Baalism title names of worship.

It is satan the devil who accepts such idol title worship, and the whole world is worshipping him today by calling on those pagan idol titles today.

Otherwise, how could satan the devil deceive the whole world and its inhabitants into worshipping him in THE END TIMES( (Revelation 9:20);(Revelation 12:9);( Revelation 13:3) ( Revelation 13:4 ),( Revelation 13:8) through his deception ?

Eliyah C., blowing the warning trumpet of idol image( Revelation 13:15) worship of the beast kingdom and of satan the devil that is being practiced today.