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MrVersatile48

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Autologout looms fast..

See page 6 of May 'Direction' magazine - free today in Elim Pentecostal churches - see http://www.elim.org.uk

It takes apart Channel 4 TV's pathetic attack on Bible-believers as fools who shouldn't run schools: here's a few highlights to whet your appetite...

Docu 'The New Fundamentalists' darkly described the 'evangelical extreme - militant & growing' - without defining its meaning of 'evangelical extreme'

Yet it cited Elim's Kensington Temple & Teen Challenge - 2 of the most sucessful institutions in their respective fields

Its irrational attack highlighted perhaps 2 of the most important issues facing Christians in UK today: the origin of the universe/humanity & the basis of morality - specifically, sexual morality

Presenter Rod Liddle had a penchant for imagery, likening a belief in creationism to a belief that a person is made of cheese

He must be dyslexic - the Bible does not say Edam & Eve :roll:

But talk of cheese reminds me that the belief that the world arose by chance is crackers :angel:

Comments like Liddle's reflect the growing animosity towards the Bible's message & are sure counter-productive to a balanced, reasoned debate

Nobel prize-winning biologist, Christian de Duve, says, "There is no sense in which atheism is enforced or established by science"

One of the world's leading atheists, Prof Anthony Flew, has now stated that he can no longer believe that life began by chance

Even arch-atheist proselytiser, Oxford Prof Richard Dawkins, whose recent Channel 4 2-part docu falsely slandered all religion as "The Root Of All Evil", is on record admitting that all species look as if they were designed for a purpose

Similarly, atheistic apologist Prof Richard Lewontin has said, "It's not as if the evidence compels us...it's simply that we cannot allow a Divine foot in the door"

The recent magazine, 'Design Revolution: The Delusion Of Evolution', see page 9, produced by New Life Publishing, in response to the highly successful UK lecture tour, 'Darwin Revisited', by Dr Adrian Snelling & Professor Phil Johnson, says in its editorial that neo-Darwinism is a house of cards rapidly crumbling, yet academia, which prides itself on freedom of thought, sinisterly censors out all criticism of microbes-to-man, goo-to-you evolutionary theory

It says that if it was subject to the same rigourous investigation as real science, it would be rejected - as hundreds of top scientists, from micro-biology to astronomy, have seen so much evidence of Intelligent Design that they reject the atheistic brainwashing of their school/college/uni days & now worship the Almighty Creator

As 'Direction' says today, in reality, there is an increasing acceptance of the fact that the world is so incredibly, unimaginably complex that you'd have to be bonkers to think it arose by chance

Ask a scientist how the first cell came about & he'll be hazy - DNA is amazingly programmed

Ask how the physical laws on which science depends came about

No-one knows

& anyone who says they do hasn't published their paper in Nature magazine yet!

In fact, modern science struggles to explain the fine-tuning of the universe for our existence, as well as how life could begin by chance

If Earth were marginally nearer the sun, it would fry

Marginally further away, it would be a lifeless ice cube

If the forces binding atoms together were slightly less, they would disintegrate


If slightly more, they would explode

Fred Hoyle, one of the world's leading scientists in research into primordial processes, found the whole idea of life arising by chance so improbable that he denounced atheism in favour of purposeful design

"The probability of life originating at random is so utterly miniscule as to make the random concept absurd"


There's another 1.5 pages of the article, but I must go

Just 5 mins to highlight Dr Francis Schaeffer, on page 8

The docu denounced Christians for believing in a personal God...Yet our Heaveny Father is the only real basis for reasoned morality

Schaeffer says, "With the Christian answer, it is now possible to understand that there are true moral absolutes

"There is no law behind God, because the furthest thing back is God. The moral absolutes rest on God's character. The creation as He originally made it conformed to His character

"The moral commands He has given to men are an expression of His character. Men, as created in His image, are to live by choice on the basis of what God is. The standards of morality are determined by what conforms to His character, while those things which do not conform are immoral"

Must go

God bless!

Ian
 
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Nothing was pointed out in the article that would compel one to change his views on a supreme being other than default to the unknown. Some quotes were taken out of context to make them appear that staunch atheists have backslided but that was not the case. Dr Snelling has a questionable backround and is involved with AIG which by now should need to introduction into it's questionable practices. Anthony Flew was mentioned and in case anyone as forgotten , Flew was a philosopher and not a trained scientist. It was claimed that Neo Darwinism is a house of cards ready to fall however no evidence was presented to back it up.Apparantly no one told all those trained in those disiplines. Considering the recent discoveries during the recent weeks if anything it is the other way around. The only arguement from theists to accept their premise is the hope they are not alone. No evidence is ever presented for a supernatural being other than "it must". No it doesn't. The fact that we are here is a fact and nothing more. The other important fact is that we have no evidence for a supernatural being and even less evidence that it is the Christian God.
 
Hi Rez!

Somehow, I don't think you got "Direction" & read the whole article - I only had time to give taster highlights

Its page 9 says that there is now a new, expanded version of "Design Revolution: The Delusion of Evolution"

I gave away my copy of the original, but will be going tonight to City Church, Jubilee Drive, off Kensington, just 20 minutes walk from Liverpool Central Library

Dr Adrian Snelling's work alone - exposing the unreliability of radio-carbon dating - has been assessed as enough to demolish the ET house of cards

But there's much more - as I shared in here @ 13 months ago, when that mag came out

I only have a few minutes now: did anyone see Monday's several features on Revelation TV - http://www.rtv.com

Briefly, neo-Darwin drivel contradicts @ the most established laws of science

Entropy - 2nd Law of Thermodynamics - says all things, left to themselves, tend to DECAY, not to improve!

Also, all mutations ever observed involve a LOSS of genetic info - ET demands that they are beneficial & continued, while observation - the basis of all true science - shows that they are DETRIMENTAL & quickly corrected

As for the fossils, it took the cataclysmic pressure of the global flood of Genesis 6 to form & preserve them

RTV showed dinosaur fossils with tissue & blood vessels - which simply would not last millions of yerars, let alone billions

It also showed evidence of man & dinosaurs co-existing - at the same time

Bible words behemoth & leviathan probably refer to species of dinosaur

Finally, for now, are the MILLIONS of missing links - at every supposed stage of the ladder/chain

Try finding them at your nearest zoo - they simply don't exist

Similaerly, in the fossil record, all species come suddenly into being - no evidence of gradual going from 1-to-another-to-another

Many fossils, in fact, span several layers/strata that ET says took aeons to form

As RTV said, the evidence backs creation & disproves Darwin drivel

Altogether now...

1.2.3...


When ya pooper-scoop evo-loopy-poop...
:o
don't forget to wash ya hands now!
:multi:

Must go!

Ian
 
MR V

Mr V

Dr Snellings work does nothing as you suggest. If it did he would be front and center presenting his work to the closest reputable science body. The fact he has not done so speaks volumes. Check this link and see why Snelling's work is somehow not taken seriously.

http://www.island.net/~rjbw/SciCrea.html

As I said the only people clinging to the claims of yec and id are theists and they somehow can't convince anyone of their claims except other theists. All it takes are facts and evidence. If what you claim is true it shouldn't be that hard to show.
 
Rez

As you well know, the evo-loopy educational establishment censors out all criticism of neo-Darwin drivel

Thast is sher, sinioster brainwashing, far from the freedom of thought academia boasts of

Again, I only have a few minutes: just time to post details of Snelling's bio, qualifications, awards, experience & publications:-

Andrew A. Snelling, B.Sc.(Hons), Ph.D.
Creationist Associate Professor of Geology
(ICR, USA)


Biography

Andrew A. Snelling, B.Sc.(Hons), Ph.D. (Geology) was for many years Geologist, Senior Research Scientist and Editor of the CEN Technical Journal at the Creation Science Foundation (formerly Answers in Genesis–Australia and now called Creation Ministries International), Australia. He now works for the Institute for Creation Research, San Diego, California, where he is an Associate Professor of Geology.

Andrew is well qualified for the task of communicating the issues of Creation/Evolution to the layman and the professional scientist alike.

Andrew completed a Bachelor of Science degree in Applied Geology with First Class Honours at The University of New South Wales in Sydney, and graduated a Doctor of Philosophy (in geology) at The University of Sydney, for his thesis entitled A geochemical study of the Koongarra uranium deposit, Northern Territory, Australia. Between studies and since, Andrew worked for six years in the exploration and mining industries in Tasmania, New South Wales, Victoria, Western Australia and the Northern Territory variously as a field, mine and research geologist. Full-time with Creation Science Foundation from 1983 to 1998, he is still called upon as a geological consultant to the Koongarra uranium project (1983–1992).

Consequently, he was involved in research projects with various CSIRO (Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation), ANSTO (Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organisation) and University scientists across Australia, and with scientists from the USA, Britain, Japan, Sweden and the International Atomic Energy Agency. As a result of this research Andrew was involved in writing scientific papers that were being published in international scientific journals.

Andrew’s talents enable him to be heavily involved in extensive creationist research in Australia and overseas, including the formation of all types of mineral deposits, radioactivity in rocks and radioisotopic dating, and the formation of metamorphic and igneous rocks, sedimentary strata and landscape features (e.g. Grand Canyon, USA, and Ayers Rock, Australia) within the biblical framework for earth history. As well as writing regularly and extensively in international creationist publications, Andrew has travelled around Australia and widely overseas (USA, UK, New Zealand, South Africa, Korea, Indonesia, Hong Kong, China) speaking in schools, churches, colleges and universities, particularly on the overwhelming scientific evidence consistent with the biblical account of Creation and Noah’s Flood. Since joining ICR in 1998, Andrew's responsibilities have included research, writing and teaching in ICR's Graduate School, as well as leadership of ICR tours to the Grand Canyon and England.

Andrew was raised in a Christian family, is married to wife, Kym, and has three young adult children. Andrew’s interest in geology began at the time of his conversion at 9 years of age. His very firm conviction in the authority and veracity of the Scriptures brought him to the Creation/Evolution controversy early in his teens, so that by the commencement of university studies, Andrew already had a clear Scriptural perspective on the literalness of Creation and Noah’s Flood, and an unmistakable call from the Lord for a life-long involvement in creationist ministry.

Education

B.S. Applied Geology, The University of New South Wales, Sydney, Australia, First Class Honours
Ph.D. Geology, University of Sydney, Sydney, Australia

Associations

Geological Society of Australia
Australasian Institute of Mining and Metallurgy
Geological Society of America
Geological Association of Canada
Mineralogical Society of America
Society of Economic Geologists
Society for Geology Applied to Mineral Deposits
International Association of Geochemistry and Cosmochemistry
Association of Exploration Geochemists
Australian Society of Exploration Geophysicists
Creation Research Society

Honours/Awards
At the Third International Conference on Creationism in Pittsburgh (1994), he was presented with the Technical Excellence Award for the best technical paper, a paper on evidence for regional metamorphism within the creationist timeframe.

At the Fourth International Conference on Creationism (1998), he gained the first three prizes for technical excellence: first prize for his studies on anomalous radiometric ‘dates’ of recent lava flows from Mt Ngauruhoe volcano, New Zealand, and the second and third prizes were for co-authored papers with John Woodmorappe and Steve Austin respectively.

Publications

Books

Radioisotopes and the Age of the Earth: A Young-Earth Creationist Research Initiative, edited by Larry Vardiman, Andrew Snelling and Eugene Chaffin
The Answers Book, Ken Ham, Andrew Snelling, Carl Wieland [a revised & expanded version has since been published]

Some Creation magazine articles written by Dr Snelling
The Platypus
Darwin the City
Coal Beds and Noah’s Flood
Forked seams sabotage swamp theory of coal formation
Noah’s Flood and Mt Isa Metal Deposits
Is The Sun Shrinking? Part Two
A ‘165 million year’ surprise
Iceland’s recent ‘mega-flood’
Limestone Caves … a result of Noah’s Flood?
Grand Canyon: Startling Evidence for Noah’s Flood
The First Atmosphere:
Geological Evidences and their Implications
Australia’s Amazing Kangaroos
The Bear That Isn’t
Dating Dilemma: Fossil wood in ‘ancient’ sandstone
Where Are All The Human Fossils
Amazing ‘Ark’ Exposé
Radioactive ‘Dating’ in Conflict
(simplified version of the technical paper on the Crinum wood, below)
Radioactive ‘dating’ failure: Recent New Zealand lava flows yield ‘ages’ of millions of years
(simplified version of the technical paper on the Mt Ngauruhoe lava flows, below)
Geological conflict: young radiocarbon date for ancient fossil wood challenges fossil dating
Rapid Rocks: Granites didn’t need millions of years of cooling
(with John Woodmorappe)
That Matter of the Shrinking Sun
(Be Skeptical About the Skeptics! Part 4)
Some articles by Dr Snelling from Creation Ex Nihilo Technical Journal
Galaxy-Quasar Connection (red shift anomaly)
Sedimentation Experiments: Nature finally catches up!
Can Flood Geology Explain Thick Chalk Layers?
Saturn’s Ringsâ€â€Short-Lived and Young
The ‘Principle of Least Astonishment’!
[Rapid reversals of Earth’s magnetic field]
Microscopic Diamonds Confound Geologists
Moon Dust and the Age of the Solar System
‘Rapid’ Granite Formation?
Conflicting ‘ages’ of Tertiary basalt and contained fossilised wood, Crinum, Central Queensland, Australia
See also Dr Snelling’s paper on anomalous ‘dates’ of Mt Ngauruhoe (New Zealand) lava flows
(1st Prize for technical excellence, 4th International Conference on Creationism, 1998.

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He would be only too glad to debate leading evolutionists live on TV etc

Must go!

Ian
 
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MrVersatile48 said:
Rez

As you well know, the evo-loopy educational establishment censors out all criticism of neo-Darwin drivel
Do you realize how many people have to be wrong for you to be right? If it's intentional as you say do you realize how many people have to be keeping a secret? Sorry no way no how.
 
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