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Who will live during the Millennium?
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Vic C.
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I'd like to post some commentary to get this rolling.
http://www.solagroup.org/articles/faqs/faq_0015.html
What conditions will characterize the Millennium?
By Gary Vaterlaus
The key for me is this:
"Following the battle of Armageddon, Christ will sit in judgment of those remaining alive on the earth in what has been called the Sheep and Goat Judgment (Matt. 25:31-46). Those Gentile believers, who evidenced their faith by how they treated the Jews during the Great Tribulation, will enter the Millennial kingdom along with the saved Jewish remnant."
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No doubt there will be some who survive God's Wrath, are found worthy of entering into the Millennium, become believers and even procreate and raise believers of their own. There is no guarantee, however, that offspring will become believers. So, we will have some who will live and die believers during the Millennium and some who won't become believers. These non-believers are the ones in Rev 20:8-9
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations [people] which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they [the people] went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
http://www.solagroup.org/articles/faqs/faq_0015.html
What conditions will characterize the Millennium?
By Gary Vaterlaus
(read whole article at link above)
The key for me is this:
"Following the battle of Armageddon, Christ will sit in judgment of those remaining alive on the earth in what has been called the Sheep and Goat Judgment (Matt. 25:31-46). Those Gentile believers, who evidenced their faith by how they treated the Jews during the Great Tribulation, will enter the Millennial kingdom along with the saved Jewish remnant."
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No doubt there will be some who survive God's Wrath, are found worthy of entering into the Millennium, become believers and even procreate and raise believers of their own. There is no guarantee, however, that offspring will become believers. So, we will have some who will live and die believers during the Millennium and some who won't become believers. These non-believers are the ones in Rev 20:8-9
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations [people] which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they [the people] went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Vic C.
Member
Excellent Javs. This might also be an explanation to your thought in the other thread;
I struggle with the verse that says Satan will deceive the nations when he is released from his chains, unless there is some "mechanism" for allowing sin to enter into the Millenium.
It occurs to me that the settiing up of a Kingdom, which lasts for 1,000 years, is not a re-creation of Earth into a paradise or new garden of Eden or a "Heaven on earth", but just a restoration. I need to dig up my notes on this idea.
Could it be that Isaiah 11:6-11 is describing the Millenium? and not Heaven, like some commentators say?
Thinking out loud
I struggle with the verse that says Satan will deceive the nations when he is released from his chains, unless there is some "mechanism" for allowing sin to enter into the Millenium.
It occurs to me that the settiing up of a Kingdom, which lasts for 1,000 years, is not a re-creation of Earth into a paradise or new garden of Eden or a "Heaven on earth", but just a restoration. I need to dig up my notes on this idea.
Could it be that Isaiah 11:6-11 is describing the Millenium? and not Heaven, like some commentators say?
Thinking out loud
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preterist
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Does the millennium occur after the New heavens and Earth or before?
Vic C.
Member
Actually, that's not a bad question at all. It may deserve a thread of it's own, if you care to start one asking that question.preterist said:
Robert Van Kampen actually suggested in his book, The Sign, that Rev 20 and 21, for the most part, made more sense if 21 was read before 20. I had forgotten about... and now I remember bringing that up here some time ago.
jgredline
Member
Ok...I thought I would write dome my thoughts and try to condense them so that I do not sidetrack this thread and ''myself''...I pondered this for hours last night and this morning I was reading through the commentary I keep in my truck (a plain jane NIV bible, yes thats my favorite commentary)....and I saw a couple of things that jumped out at me.....
Ok, I am short on time this morning, and so I can only post some quick comments and later I will write some more detailed commentary.
1 We see here that an Angel, my guess is Michael, will have the keys to the bottomless pit / the abyss...
2 We know the Devil and all his armies are bound for 1000 years and SHUT UP
3 We also know that there is a ''seal'' on him, more on this later
4 We know he will be ''released'' again....
So in verses 1-3 it tells me that there will be no temptation, no whispering in ones ear and so forth....More on this in a little bit....
5 verse 4 tells us that there will be thrones..If memory serves me, there will be 24 of them, although I could be wrong and there is 12...24 sounds right...Now these Thrones are set up and we are told these folks will sit on them and judge the people who are left.... :o So this tells me that there is still ''sin'' and why the judges...My guess is to pronounce instant judgement on sin...With out the devil to blame, who are folks going to blame? More on this later, but I think you know where I am going with this...
We also see ''souls'' that were beheaded for Christ sake that will reign with Christ for a thousand years. The fact that John could see these souls would seem to imply that they received a new body...for if they were still in spirit form he would not be able to see them...(This also goes against the monistic view of man....)
Now as far as this being the first resurrection, it is actually the ''third'' as there will be 4 in total if memory serves me right....
In the context of this johns writing in Rev, this is correct in that it is the first resurrection during this 1000 years....
These are just the points I want to expound on...
for now work calls me....
...I was going to put a sad face on, but then the fact that I have a job hit me and its reason to be happy..
Ok, I am short on time this morning, and so I can only post some quick comments and later I will write some more detailed commentary.
1 We see here that an Angel, my guess is Michael, will have the keys to the bottomless pit / the abyss...
2 We know the Devil and all his armies are bound for 1000 years and SHUT UP
3 We also know that there is a ''seal'' on him, more on this later
4 We know he will be ''released'' again....
So in verses 1-3 it tells me that there will be no temptation, no whispering in ones ear and so forth....More on this in a little bit....
5 verse 4 tells us that there will be thrones..If memory serves me, there will be 24 of them, although I could be wrong and there is 12...24 sounds right...Now these Thrones are set up and we are told these folks will sit on them and judge the people who are left.... :o So this tells me that there is still ''sin'' and why the judges...My guess is to pronounce instant judgement on sin...With out the devil to blame, who are folks going to blame? More on this later, but I think you know where I am going with this...
We also see ''souls'' that were beheaded for Christ sake that will reign with Christ for a thousand years. The fact that John could see these souls would seem to imply that they received a new body...for if they were still in spirit form he would not be able to see them...(This also goes against the monistic view of man....)
Now as far as this being the first resurrection, it is actually the ''third'' as there will be 4 in total if memory serves me right....
In the context of this johns writing in Rev, this is correct in that it is the first resurrection during this 1000 years....
These are just the points I want to expound on...
for now work calls me....
...I was going to put a sad face on, but then the fact that I have a job hit me and its reason to be happy.. n2thelight
Member
First let me say that this is one of the reasons why the rapture is a fasle doctrine,This event is also known as the 2nd coming,and it is only those that hav died in Christ whom He brings with Him.
1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
This is also kown as the Day of the Lord,which starts the millennium
2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Only those who have died are in heaven no one will be raptured there,as you can see Christ is coming here,we are not going anywhere,this is when we gather back to Christ,at the 7th trump.There will not be a rapture Pre,Mid or post.
At the instant of Christ return we shall all be changed,at this point the age of flesh is over.The difference will be the condition of our souls,those that overcame will have immortal souls while those that did'nt will have mortal souls meaning that they will stand a chance of dying the second death, which is the death of the soul.
The purpose of the millennium is to be taught the true Word of God,without the influence of satan,for he will be bound at this time. lets take a look at Rev 20
Revelation 20:7 "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison."
When everyone has been taught that are in their mortal (liable to die) soul bodies, then Satan will be loosed.
Revelation 20:8 "And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea."
Revelation 20:9 "And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them."
This is the "great day of God" when the full god-head comes to dwell on earth with His saints forever. This is different from the "day of the Lord", which was 1,000 years earlier, that took place at the seventh trump when Jesus Christ came and set up His kingdom for the Millennium.
Revelation 20:12"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."
Notice there are two sets of books here. The first called "The Books" is to judge the unsaved. The second is the "Book of Life" where only the names of the saved are recorded. The saved have had their sins removed from God's judgment and booted out. Though they were committed, the blood of Christ has covered them from being used against us.
Notice how all souls are judged "according to their works". Does it talk about faith here after the Millennium? No. The "great white throne judgment" will not take faith into consideration. The first resurrection takes faith into consideration. That was back on "the Lord's day". That was Jesus Christ's "great day". On the last day of the Millennium age souls are judged by works only.
Why are you judged for works only? Faith is something hoped for but unseen. You don't see Jesus Christ on earth today, you will see his wonderful works, and be led by Him and His Spirit in the Millennium age. Today He is in heaven and not walking on this earth. However, in the millennium, He will be on earth, and all will have full intelligence, with full recall and will be taught. The Heavenly Father honors all those with grace, that have accepted His Son by faith through repentance without Christ's physical presence here on earth, if you believed in His Word.
To those who are not under grace in the Millennium, their salvation will be only through and by their works. For faith doesn't exist to them. There will be no ignorance, physical handicap, for you will see, know, and experience Our Lord first hand.
If you follow the Antichrist, the first Christ to appear, you will have forfeited your salvation in this earth age. You will not be under the grace of God, and your works will be the only thing that matters on the last day of the Millennium, the day of judgment. They will be judged by works alone, for they have seen Jesus Christ, and are without excuse. The "rapture theory" leaves believers defenseless against Satan, for they will be taken in by Satan's deceptions.
1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
This is also kown as the Day of the Lord,which starts the millennium
2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Only those who have died are in heaven no one will be raptured there,as you can see Christ is coming here,we are not going anywhere,this is when we gather back to Christ,at the 7th trump.There will not be a rapture Pre,Mid or post.
At the instant of Christ return we shall all be changed,at this point the age of flesh is over.The difference will be the condition of our souls,those that overcame will have immortal souls while those that did'nt will have mortal souls meaning that they will stand a chance of dying the second death, which is the death of the soul.
The purpose of the millennium is to be taught the true Word of God,without the influence of satan,for he will be bound at this time. lets take a look at Rev 20
Revelation 20:7 "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison."
When everyone has been taught that are in their mortal (liable to die) soul bodies, then Satan will be loosed.
Revelation 20:8 "And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea."
Revelation 20:9 "And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them."
This is the "great day of God" when the full god-head comes to dwell on earth with His saints forever. This is different from the "day of the Lord", which was 1,000 years earlier, that took place at the seventh trump when Jesus Christ came and set up His kingdom for the Millennium.
Revelation 20:12"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."
Notice there are two sets of books here. The first called "The Books" is to judge the unsaved. The second is the "Book of Life" where only the names of the saved are recorded. The saved have had their sins removed from God's judgment and booted out. Though they were committed, the blood of Christ has covered them from being used against us.
Notice how all souls are judged "according to their works". Does it talk about faith here after the Millennium? No. The "great white throne judgment" will not take faith into consideration. The first resurrection takes faith into consideration. That was back on "the Lord's day". That was Jesus Christ's "great day". On the last day of the Millennium age souls are judged by works only.
Why are you judged for works only? Faith is something hoped for but unseen. You don't see Jesus Christ on earth today, you will see his wonderful works, and be led by Him and His Spirit in the Millennium age. Today He is in heaven and not walking on this earth. However, in the millennium, He will be on earth, and all will have full intelligence, with full recall and will be taught. The Heavenly Father honors all those with grace, that have accepted His Son by faith through repentance without Christ's physical presence here on earth, if you believed in His Word.
To those who are not under grace in the Millennium, their salvation will be only through and by their works. For faith doesn't exist to them. There will be no ignorance, physical handicap, for you will see, know, and experience Our Lord first hand.
If you follow the Antichrist, the first Christ to appear, you will have forfeited your salvation in this earth age. You will not be under the grace of God, and your works will be the only thing that matters on the last day of the Millennium, the day of judgment. They will be judged by works alone, for they have seen Jesus Christ, and are without excuse. The "rapture theory" leaves believers defenseless against Satan, for they will be taken in by Satan's deceptions.
tim-from-pa
Member
vic C. said:
I think this link summarizes the millennium fine. That's what I believe the bible teaches.
The only thing I want to add is that as a "British Israelite", that the definition of Israel goes past the Jew (which is only basically 2 tribes). In this gospel age, the bible predicted that Israel (the other ten tribes) would become the sons of God and light-bearers to the fallen world. This required a multitude of nations and a great nation (Genesis 35:11) for God's purpose that Israel would bring the gospel message to the world (Genesis 12:1-3). We are already the greatest (world power), and will be in the millennium as well. However, threr are still unregenerate Israelites in our nations and others they became, and God will give them a new heart in the millennium.
I always joke, I don't know how God will fit over a half billion Israelites (estimated those left after the tribulation) in a land not much larger than the size of New Jersey, and maybe that's why there's scriptural reference about complains about the land being too small.
tim-from-pa
Member
vic C. said:
It isn't. It encompasses the whole world. But that land within that world is promised to the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. It becomes the same idea as the colonies---- encompassing the world and yet a central government.
n2thelight
Member
jgredline
This link is what I feel about Israel
http://www.frank.germano.com/gentilesandjews.htm
And to add about the millennium there will be no flesh during that time,the instant Christ returns will be the end of the flesh age.
This link is what I feel about Israel
http://www.frank.germano.com/gentilesandjews.htm
And to add about the millennium there will be no flesh during that time,the instant Christ returns will be the end of the flesh age.
jgredline
Member
OK, I know I am going to look like a quack....But check this out
If anything it is fuunny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh1ZOqzw754
If anything it is fuunny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh1ZOqzw754