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why cant all docs go back to these days?

jasoncran

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Offering Medical Service, No Insurance Allowed - Hartford Courant

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Windsor physicians' flat-fee program is an example of a growing grass-roots movement called direct primary care


February 25, 2011|By MATTHEW STURDEVANT, msturdevant@courant.com, The Hartford Courant
Rick Hartford, Hartford CourantWINDSOR — — Patients are surprised when either Dr. Jane Walker or Dr. Kathleen Mueller answers the phone at their office, a two-story house on a neatly manicured section of Bloomfield Avenue near the center of town.

It's just as startling when one of them hands out a cellphone number and e-mail address to a patient. Fortunately, Walker and Mueller say, they've trained patients to call only when they really need medical attention.

But here's the real shocker: Walker and Mueller don't take insurance. They bill patients in one of two ways — $55 a visit as needed, or $30 a month plus $15 a visit.

"This is back-to-basics medicine," said Walker, a fourth-generation family physician. "This is medicine that my grandfather did, my great-grandfather. And it's so much more fun because we're not supposed to be dealing with insurance companies. We're supposed to be taking that amount of time, and we're supposed to be dealing with patients."


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Walker and Mueller do accept Medicare. They don't take payment from major health insurance carriers that provide the financial lifeblood for most family doctors and primary-care physicians in Connecticut: Aetna, Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield in Connecticut, ConnectiCare, CIGNA, UnitedHealthcare.

Their practice, Holistic Health Partnering LLC, is a new business model to their patients, but not completely new in the nation. In some ways, theirs is an old billing system used before the days of managed care.

It's also an example of a growing grass-roots movement among some primary-care doctors in the U.S. to cut out the insurer as a billing middleman. Charging patients a monthly fee at half the price of cable television is an attractive way to offer some medical services to the uninsured, or people who have limited, high-deductible health plans, the doctors say.

The model goes by many names — "direct primary care," "micro practice" and "innovative medical practice."

Monthly fees make some people think of "concierge" or "boutique" medicine, which is aimed at affluent patients who want closer attention. The difference is that concierge medicine is typically priced higher with strict patient limits and sometimes involves billing insurance on top of the monthly fee.
 
We have a doctor in our small town (pop. 1,300) that does not handle insurance claims. She feels that is the responsibility of the patient to send their claims in to their insurance company. The advantage for her patients is a considerably lower medical cost. She doesn't have to hire full-time staff to manage and submit insurance claims. The bottom line is visiting her office costs about 25% less than a doctor at the clinic in the neighboring town. And get this. She does house calls for those that are unable to get to her office! Now there's an old concept you don't hear too much about anymore.
 
How is Uncle Sam goin get 'his' share?

I think it is a great idea.

Big law suits have clogged up the health care for a long time... jury's think the insurance companies will never run out of money
 
I know why modern doctors don't go back to the good old days. It has to do with bedfellows and Big Pharma (and other monetary perks). That's why I am so severely critical of the medical establishment, not only their methods, but even to the core of what they believe.
 
I know why modern doctors don't go back to the good old days. It has to do with bedfellows and Big Pharma (and other monetary perks). That's why I am so severely critical of the medical establishment, not only their methods, but even to the core of what they believe.

i cant speak for all of them as well i have visited all of them. but a few days ago a doc told my wife that if she can take less meds the better. if theres a way to reduce the need for them then its best she does that.

and how might you ask? healthy diet.

phttttttttt.
 
This is a good practical idea until someone needs to go to the hospital for surgery. The hospital will not agree to a $55 flat fee.
 
why not have insurance just cover the more serious illness such the cancers etc or any lengthy hospital stay?
 
why not have insurance just cover the more serious illness such the cancers etc or any lengthy hospital stay?

Because insurance companies would still charge the same and probably Obama care would charge the same too. So if you have to pay the same, you might as well get full coverage.
 
Because insurance companies would still charge the same and probably Obama care would charge the same too. So if you have to pay the same, you might as well get full coverage.

not if you dont have to buy it! i wouldnt have to buy insurance for that.i dont go to docs all that often despite my asthma(which isnt much but a cough here or there on the bad days).my wife would need the full deal, sadly.
 
not if you dont have to buy it! i wouldnt have to buy insurance for that.i dont go to docs all that often despite my asthma(which isnt much but a cough here or there on the bad days).my wife would need the full deal, sadly.

But I think if ppl started dropping out of full care then the insurance companies would raise prices to cover the loss or they would just not give the option, so ultimately you would still be paying the same. And with Obama care you don`t have a choice you have to buy the whole deal. I still think some sort of Christian Medishare is the best option and with it you can legally opt out of Obama care.
 
But I think if ppl started dropping out of full care then the insurance companies would raise prices to cover the loss or they would just not give the option, so ultimately you would still be paying the same. And with Obama care you don`t have a choice you have to buy the whole deal. I still think some sort of Christian Medishare is the best option and with it you can legally opt out of Obama care.

maybe, of course here i am uncertain these docs would take medishare.
 
maybe, of course here i am uncertain these docs would take medishare.

There are several medishare programs, one would have to do some research and see how effective they were and if they had problems with doctors accepting them. But from what I have heard that has not been a problem, but I have no personal experience and I have not researched it so one would need to look more closely at these details.
 
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