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Why does God want us to depend on HIM?
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Mountain Man
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God doesn't want us to depend on him,we DO depend on him and he wants us to know it AND LIVE ACCORDINGLY,every breath we take in an atmosphere he created,every bite of food grown in soil he created,every invention created that operates and depends on the laws he put in place....he sends rain on the just(those who know and acknowledge their dependedence) and the unjust(those who refuse to) the absolute dependence upon God by every living creature is a reality,accepted or not accepted.
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Ezekiel 28:2 The word of the Lord came to me: 2 “Son of man, say to the prince of Tyre, Thus says the Lord God: “Because your heart is proud, and you have said, ‘I am a god, I sit in the seat of the gods, in the heart of the seas,’ yet you are but a man, and no god, though you make your heart like the heart of a god.
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God depends on us to depend on ourselves depending on the holy spirit and the kingdom of heaven within us to guide us.
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iLOVE
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The reason why is because of what Lord Jesus Christ has taught us..."I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. John 15:5 NASB
“I am<sup class="crossreference" value='(A)'></sup> the true vine,<sup class="crossreference" value='(B)'></sup> and my Father is the gardener. <sup class="versenum">2 </sup>He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit,<sup class="crossreference" value='(C)'></sup> while every branch that does bear fruit<sup class="crossreference" value='(D)'></sup> he prunes<sup class="footnote" value='[a]'>[a]</sup> so that it will be even more fruitful. <sup class="versenum">3 </sup>You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you.<sup class="crossreference" value='(E)'></sup> <sup class="versenum">4 </sup>Remain in me, as I also remain in you.<sup class="crossreference" value='(F)'></sup> No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me. John 15:1-4 NIV
To reject the very source of love will not allow you to enter heaven.
Dear friends, let us love one another,<sup class="crossreference" value='(A)'></sup> for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God<sup class="crossreference" value='(B)'></sup> and knows God.<sup class="crossreference" value='(C)'></sup> <sup class="versenum">8 </sup>Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 1 John 4:7-8 NIV<sup class="crossreference" value='(D)'></sup>
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We are gods......... yes. Because of that, we have free will, will judge angels and have common sense. God never said I want you to depend on me. Not one time.
He did say that trust in man brings a snare. He said leaning to our own understanding is not cool. He did say without Him we are without hope in this World.
So, by using common sense, and the fact we are in God's class but not the big guy. Then common sense would tell a reasonable person to trust in the one that made everything and can do anything.
Being god and man, we do have common sense, and if we ignore our nature then we are not really being god and man, but just a man. If just a man, we are in trouble.
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handy
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I can understand what Mountain Man is saying here. For us to ask why does God want us to depend on Him would be like a new born baby asking why his parents would want him to depend on them.... It's not something that is "wanted"... it just is a simple fact that a newborn baby is wholly dependent upon his parents... just like we are wholly dependent upon God. We are as individuals and we are as a species.
Mountain Man
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Sorry for the confusion,perhaps some questions are in order
Can you live without breathing God's air with the lungs God gave you ?
Can you live with out the food and water God created ?
Can you live apart from the natural laws God created ?
What can you do,create or invent apart from the natural resources God created ?
How is it possible that you can even imagine or comprehend God ?
Do you realy think it's all your idea ?
Hell is the absence of God where you will have nothing but yourself,people without God is the definition of Hell.
divinecloud7
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God doesn't want us to depend on him,we DO depend on him and he wants us to know it AND LIVE ACCORDINGLY,every breath we take in an atmosphere he created,every bite of food grown in soil he created,every invention created that operates and depends on the laws he put in place....he sends rain on the just(those who know and acknowledge their dependedence) and the unjust(those who refuse to) the absolute dependence upon God by every living creature is a reality,accepted or not accepted.
Agreed.....
Our dependence as believers is in faith in him and his son lord JESUS as children; for we are his creation. Mankind is the "pots" and he is the "potter" in his magnificence. Our dependence and reliance in faith to understand the light and thee truth and most importantly the LOVE he has graced us with; all the provisions we ever needed we set before us and we are to give eternal thanks and praise.
Instead for the most part many of us DON"T!! Many of us ignore, misunderstand, are blinded, ensnared, coerced, enticed and lost. We are blinded to the reality of what has truly been offered to us, been granted to us; been graced with.
John 3:14-20
New International Version (NIV)
<sup class="versenum">14 </sup>Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness,<sup class="crossreference" value='(A)'></sup> so the Son of Man must be lifted up,<sup class="footnote" value='[a]'>[a]</sup><sup class="crossreference" value='(B)'></sup> <sup class="versenum">15 </sup>that everyone who believes<sup class="crossreference" value='(C)'></sup> may have eternal life in him.”<sup class="footnote" value='[b]'>[b]</sup><sup class="crossreference" value='(D)'></sup>
<sup class="versenum">16 </sup>For God so loved<sup class="crossreference" value='(E)'></sup> the world that he gave<sup class="crossreference" value='(F)'></sup> his one and only Son,<sup class="crossreference" value='(G)'></sup> that whoever believes<sup class="crossreference" value='(H)'></sup> in him shall not perish but have eternal life.<sup class="crossreference" value='(I)'></sup> <sup class="versenum">17 </sup>For God did not send his Son into the world<sup class="crossreference" value='(J)'></sup> to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.<sup class="crossreference" value='(K)'></sup> <sup class="versenum">18 </sup>Whoever believes in him is not condemned,<sup class="crossreference" value='(L)'></sup> but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.<sup class="crossreference" value='(M)'></sup> <sup class="versenum">19 </sup>This is the verdict: Light<sup class="crossreference" value='(N)'></sup> has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.<sup class="crossreference" value='(O)'></sup> <sup class="versenum">20 </sup>Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed.
Many will appear on that day and...........
Matthew 7:20-24
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
<sup class="versenum">20 </sup>So then, you will <sup class="footnote" value='[a]'>[a]</sup>know them <sup class="crossreference" value='(A)'></sup>by their fruits.
<sup class="versenum">21 </sup>“<sup class="crossreference" value='(B)'></sup>Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. <sup class="versenum">22 </sup><sup class="crossreference" value='(C)'></sup>Many will say to Me on <sup class="crossreference" value='(D)'></sup>that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many <sup class="footnote" value='[b]'>[b]</sup>miracles?’ <sup class="versenum">23 </sup>And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; <sup class="crossreference" value='(E)'></sup>depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’
The Two Foundations
<sup class="versenum">24 </sup>“Therefore <sup class="crossreference" value='(F)'></sup>everyone who hears these words of Mine and <sup class="footnote" value='[c]'>[c]</sup>acts on them, <sup class="footnote" value='[d]'>[d]</sup>may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock.
Praise be to GOD the heavenly father and his son lord JESUS CHRIST forever>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Agreed.....
Our dependence as believers is in faith in him and his son lord JESUS as children; for we are his creation. Mankind is the "pots" and he is the "potter" in his magnificence. Our dependence and reliance in faith to understand the light and thee truth and most importantly the LOVE he has graced us with; all the provisions we ever needed we set before us and we are to give eternal thanks and praise.
Instead for the most part many of us DON"T!! Many of us ignore, misunderstand, are blinded, ensnared, coerced, enticed and lost. We are blinded to the reality of what has truly been offered to us, been granted to us; been graced with.
John 3:14-20
New International Version (NIV)
<sup class="versenum">14 </sup>Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness,<sup class="crossreference" value='(A)'></sup> so the Son of Man must be lifted up,<sup class="footnote" value='[a]'>[a]</sup><sup class="crossreference" value='(B)'></sup> <sup class="versenum">15 </sup>that everyone who believes<sup class="crossreference" value='(C)'></sup> may have eternal life in him.”<sup class="footnote" value='[b]'>[b]</sup><sup class="crossreference" value='(D)'></sup>
<sup class="versenum">16 </sup>For God so loved<sup class="crossreference" value='(E)'></sup> the world that he gave<sup class="crossreference" value='(F)'></sup> his one and only Son,<sup class="crossreference" value='(G)'></sup> that whoever believes<sup class="crossreference" value='(H)'></sup> in him shall not perish but have eternal life.<sup class="crossreference" value='(I)'></sup> <sup class="versenum">17 </sup>For God did not send his Son into the world<sup class="crossreference" value='(J)'></sup> to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.<sup class="crossreference" value='(K)'></sup> <sup class="versenum">18 </sup>Whoever believes in him is not condemned,<sup class="crossreference" value='(L)'></sup> but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.<sup class="crossreference" value='(M)'></sup> <sup class="versenum">19 </sup>This is the verdict: Light<sup class="crossreference" value='(N)'></sup> has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.<sup class="crossreference" value='(O)'></sup> <sup class="versenum">20 </sup>Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed.
Many will appear on that day and...........
Matthew 7:20-24
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
<sup class="versenum">20 </sup>So then, you will <sup class="footnote" value='[a]'>[a]</sup>know them <sup class="crossreference" value='(A)'></sup>by their fruits.
<sup class="versenum">21 </sup>“<sup class="crossreference" value='(B)'></sup>Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. <sup class="versenum">22 </sup><sup class="crossreference" value='(C)'></sup>Many will say to Me on <sup class="crossreference" value='(D)'></sup>that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many <sup class="footnote" value='[b]'>[b]</sup>miracles?’ <sup class="versenum">23 </sup>And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; <sup class="crossreference" value='(E)'></sup>depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’
The Two Foundations
<sup class="versenum">24 </sup>“Therefore <sup class="crossreference" value='(F)'></sup>everyone who hears these words of Mine and <sup class="footnote" value='[c]'>[c]</sup>acts on them, <sup class="footnote" value='[d]'>[d]</sup>may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock.
Praise be to GOD the heavenly father and his son lord JESUS CHRIST forever>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
iLOVE
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Then he said, "I tell you the truth, unless you turn from your sins and become like little children, you will never get into the Kingdom of Heaven. Matthew 18:3 NLT - Jesus is telling us Christians that we must be 100% totally dependent upon Him and the Cross as a child is 100% dependent upon their parents. My salvation and my honor depend on God; he is my mighty rock, my refuge. Psalm 62:7 NIV
Self-effort = "Works" (The Law)...as Christians we are under "Grace"!
When Christians fall back trying to meet the requirements for the law, when you fall back into self effort and depending on your ability, when you fall back into performance...the bible stays you have fallen from Grace. You are no longer in the unmerited favor of God. As a born-again Christian God wants us to have fellowship with the Holy Spirit. He is the one that will guide us, teach us, and write on our hearts.
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SeekHisFace
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ILove...Amen to both of your posts!
Before I read your first post, I was going to post that we can do nothing w/o Him.
Blessings...
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iLOVE
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Trust in the Lord<SUP class=crossreference value='(A)'></SUP> with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths<SUP class=crossreference value='(B)'></SUP> straight. Proverbs 3:5-6 NIV
But those who trust in the LORD will find new strength. They will soar high on wings like eagles. They will run and not grow weary. They will walk and not faint. Isaiah 40:31 NLT
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. Romans 8:28 KJV
Please take note that Romans 8:28 KJV does not work for everyone!
The eyes of the Lord search the whole earth in order to strengthen those whose hearts are fully committed to him. What a fool you have been! From now on you will be at war.” 2 Chronicles 16:9 NLT
But those who trust in the LORD will find new strength. They will soar high on wings like eagles. They will run and not grow weary. They will walk and not faint. Isaiah 40:31 NLT
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. Romans 8:28 KJV
Please take note that Romans 8:28 KJV does not work for everyone!
The eyes of the Lord search the whole earth in order to strengthen those whose hearts are fully committed to him. What a fool you have been! From now on you will be at war.” 2 Chronicles 16:9 NLT
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