Why does the sinning believer have to die to be saved?

[Jethro Bodine]

Help me out here, folks.

"1 It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, and immorality of such a kind as does not exist even among the Gentiles, that someone has his father's wife.
5 I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. " (1 Corinthians 5:1,5 NASB)

If believers are always saved, no matter what, why does the sinning saint have to die so he can be saved?

 

[iLOVE]

5 You are to deliver this man over to Satan [a]for physical discipline [to destroy carnal lusts which prompted him to incest], that [his] spirit may [yet] be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. 1 Corinthians 5:5 Amplified Bible (AMP)

The scripture says it like this, "Physical punishment cleanses away evil; such discipline purifies the heart." Proverbs 20:30 NLT
My child, don't reject the LORD's discipline, and don't be upset when he corrects you. Proverbs 3:11 NLT - Hebrews 12:5-6 NASB - Job 5:17 NASB

Sometimes God will allow the thing that He hates the most to accomplish the thing He loves.

 

[follower]

perhaps > In 1 Corinthians 5 mention is made of delivering this man’s flesh (not his life) to Satan; he was to be sick but was not to die.
because later in 2 Corinthians around chapter 7 it shows he may from his suffering 'Godly sorrow' have
turned and repented.
there are times in the O.T. and in the N.T. when believers die because of their sin,
this all fits in with all of Scripture without prejudice. >>
Paul further wrote that those in the church at Corinth who ate and drank of the bread and the cup of the Lord without discerning the Lord’s body had become weak and ill and some even had died (1 Cor. 11.29-30). This reveals that disobedience to the Lord was the provocation for their sickness.

The Scriptures have served sufficient notice that many (but not all) are ill because of sin. Hence the first action we must take when sick is to examine ourselves to determine whether or not we have sinned against God. By searching, many find that their illness is in fact due to sin: on a particular occasion they had rebelled against God or had disobeyed His Word. They had gone astray. Just as soon as that particular sin is found out and confessed, however, the sickness will be over. Countless brothers and sisters in the Lord have encountered such experiences. Shortly after the cause is discovered before God the illness is gone. This is a phenomenon beyond the explanation of medical science.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

The scripture says it like this, "Physical punishment cleanses away evil; such discipline purifies the heart." Proverbs 20:30 NLT

I agree that it is the active lusts of the flesh that must be put to death in the believer, not simply be killed in the body. And Paul seems to be saying that has to happen in order for that person to be saved on the Day of the Lord.

Makes me think of the story of Samson. He was sinning to the point of losing the covering of God's glory (his hair), which had given him his supernatural strength to defeat his enemies, but which he did not use to defeat his enemies.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

perhaps > In 1 Corinthians 5 mention is made of delivering this man’s flesh (not his life) to Satan; he was to be sick but was not to die.
because later in 2 Corinthians around chapter 7 it shows he may from his suffering 'Godly sorrow' have
turned and repented.
there are times in the O.T. and in the N.T. when believers die because of their sin,
this all fits in with all of Scripture without prejudice. >>
Paul further wrote that those in the church at Corinth who ate and drank of the bread and the cup of the Lord without discerning the Lord’s body had become weak and ill and some even had died (1 Cor. 11.29-30). This reveals that disobedience to the Lord was the provocation for their sickness.

The Scriptures have served sufficient notice that many (but not all) are ill because of sin. Hence the first action we must take when sick is to examine ourselves to determine whether or not we have sinned against God. By searching, many find that their illness is in fact due to sin: on a particular occasion they had rebelled against God or had disobeyed His Word. They had gone astray. Just as soon as that particular sin is found out and confessed, however, the sickness will be over. Countless brothers and sisters in the Lord have encountered such experiences. Shortly after the cause is discovered before God the illness is gone. This is a phenomenon beyond the explanation of medical science.

No doubt true. The idea being that sickness is to bring them to repentance so they can be saved on the Day of the Lord.

 

[JLB]

No doubt true. The idea being that sickness is to bring them to repentance so they can be saved on the Day of the Lord.

A sickness that would no doubt prevent him from continuing to have his father's wife.

To die slowly, with the chance to focus on his coming death and to repent.

Sounds very similar to -

And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. Matthew 5:30



JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

We deliver unto you one who brings down the house of the Lord that they need purged/shown of their wrongdoing so that the house of the Lord remain in Gods will for the benefit of the whole assembly. As one is turned over to Satan in the hopes that they see the things of the flesh are that of Satan working in them instead of Christ.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

As one is turned over to Satan in the hopes that they see the things of the flesh are that of Satan working in them instead of Christ.

I'm curious, do you see Paul saying the sin in this person in the church must be destroyed so they can be saved in the Day of Christ?

 

[iLOVE]

Commentary Bible Study Tools

5. Besides excommunication (of which the Corinthians themselves had the power), Paul delegates here to the Corinthian Church his own special power as an apostle, of inflicting corporeal disease or death in punishment for sin ("to deliver to Satan such an one," that is, so heinous a sinner). For instances of this power, see Acts 5:1-11 , 13:11 , 1 Timothy 1:20 . As Satan receives power at times to try the godly, as Job ( Job 2:4-7 ) and Paul ( 2 Corinthians 12:7 ; compare also as to Peter, Luke 22:31 ), much more the ungodly. Satan, the "accuser of the brethren" ( Revelation 12:10 ) and the "adversary" ( 1 Peter 5:8 ), demands the sinner for punishment on account of sin ( Zechariah 3:1 ). When God lets Satan have his way, He is said to "deliver the sinner unto Satan" (compare Psalms 109:6 ). Here it is not finally; but for the affliction of the body with disease, and even death ( 1 Corinthians 11:30 1 Corinthians 11:32 ), so as to destroy fleshly lust. He does not say, "for the destruction of the body," for it shall share in redemption ( Romans 8:23 ); but of the corrupt "flesh" which "cannot inherit the kingdom of God," and the lusts of which had prompted this offender to incest ( Romans 7:5 , Romans 8:9 Romans 8:10 ). The "destruction of the flesh" answers to "mortify the deeds of the body" ( Romans 8:13 ), only that the latter is done by one's self, the former is effected by chastisement from God (compare 1 Peter 4:6 ):
the spirit . . . saved--the spiritual part of man, in the believer the organ of the Holy Spirit. Temporary affliction often leads to permanent salvation ( Psalms 83:16 ).

 

[for_his_glory]

I'm curious, do you see Paul saying the sin in this person in the church must be destroyed so they can be saved in the Day of Christ?

1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

Col 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Col 3:2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
Col 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Col 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

According to my understanding of the above scriptures I would have to say yes if we are truly dead to the desires of the flesh and our spirit is risen with Christ then we become that new lump when we purge out that old leaven and will appear with Christ in glory.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Commentary Bible Study Tools

5. Besides excommunication (of which the Corinthians themselves had the power), Paul delegates here to the Corinthian Church his own special power as an apostle, of inflicting corporeal disease or death in punishment for sin ("to deliver to Satan such an one," that is, so heinous a sinner). For instances of this power, see Acts 5:1-11 , 13:11 , 1 Timothy 1:20 . As Satan receives power at times to try the godly, as Job ( Job 2:4-7 ) and Paul ( 2 Corinthians 12:7 ; compare also as to Peter, Luke 22:31 ), much more the ungodly. Satan, the "accuser of the brethren" ( Revelation 12:10 ) and the "adversary" ( 1 Peter 5:8 ), demands the sinner for punishment on account of sin ( Zechariah 3:1 ). When God lets Satan have his way, He is said to "deliver the sinner unto Satan" (compare Psalms 109:6 ). Here it is not finally; but for the affliction of the body with disease, and even death ( 1 Corinthians 11:30 1 Corinthians 11:32 ), so as to destroy fleshly lust. He does not say, "for the destruction of the body," for it shall share in redemption ( Romans 8:23 ); but of the corrupt "flesh" which "cannot inherit the kingdom of God," and the lusts of which had prompted this offender to incest ( Romans 7:5 , Romans 8:9 Romans 8:10 ). The "destruction of the flesh" answers to "mortify the deeds of the body" ( Romans 8:13 ), only that the latter is done by one's self, the former is effected by chastisement from God (compare 1 Peter 4:6 ):
the spirit . . . saved--the spiritual part of man, in the believer the organ of the Holy Spirit. Temporary affliction often leads to permanent salvation ( Psalms 83:16 ).

"Leads to permanent salvation".....that's what I'm driving at. I'm curious who the author of the above is.

 

[iLOVE]

"Leads to permanent salvation".....that's what I'm driving at. I'm curious who the author of the above is.

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