Bummer, I was hoping to see that spin off into another thread. :yes
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Bummer, I was hoping to see that spin off into another thread. :yes
Alabaster if you want to gain the maximum benefit from study in any field then I think its always best to read around the subject and so looking at verses in context is really the only valid basis for serious study.
The bible is unique though in that it is Gods unfolding 'letter' to us and especially if we claim faith then it is of paramount importance that we give scripture our full attention as how else are we to guard from being misled into erronous doctrine. you mentioned that it was wriiten by many different people but also bearing in mind that those authors penned 66 books across many different genres - its amazing that it is so harmonious. I never really grasped how harmonious it was until I read it in its entirety from Genesis to Revelation. Not only that I have found that scripture never grows old as I always see something new - it thrills me to realise that I can read a verse a hundred times and then for any number of reasons my understanding of that verse is transformed. For example I remember as a young Christian reading the beautitudes and trying to identify which verse I could most identify with and then one day I realised that its the beautitudes in their entirety that point to the character of the mature Christian.
So when I read I like to look at it against the backdrop of the whole canon of scripture, consider the genre of the book, its historical and cultural setting, to think about how it was received by the original hearers and to think about its relevance to the present audience.
Alabaster having said all that I still find much in scripture that I feel I dont yet fully understand - actually I think thats what keeps me going back as those are the verses that I pore over and strive to understand and generally I find that with time, prayer, and discussion with my husband and others most things become clearer.
Well its almost time for the school run so I guess I will leave with my thought that more often than not its not the parts of scripture that I dont understand that cause me trouble but those that I do understand.
Thanks
TGs Lady
Deuteronomy 32:8-9.
In this verse, "El" is the pantheon God of a divine council. Here it is stated each memer of the divine council recieved a nation for their own; El is the head of the divine family, and each member of the divine family receives a nation of their own: Israel is the portion of
It would help if one explains exactly what is false.False.
Deuteronomy 32:8-9 NASB
When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance,
When He separated the sons of man,
He set the boundaries of the peoples
According to the number of the sons of Israel.
For the LORD'S portion is His people;
Jacob is the allotment of His inheritance.
What a load. Yahweh is eternal and has been forever. There is none like Him, and He has certainly none before Him.
Question: "Why is it important to study the Bible in context? What is wrong with taking verses out of context?"
Answer: It's important to study Bible passages and stories within their context. Taking verses out of context leads to all kinds of error and misunderstanding. Understanding context begins with four principles: literal meaning (what it says), historical setting (the events of the story, to whom is it addressed, and how it was understood at that time), grammar (the immediate sentence and paragraph within which a word or phrase is found) and synthesis (comparing it with other parts of Scripture for a fuller meaning). Context is crucial to biblical exegesis in that it is one of its most important fundamentals. After we account for the literal, historical, and grammatical nature of a passage, we must then focus on the outline and structure of the book, then the chapter, then the paragraph. All of these things refer to "context." To illustrate, it is like looking at Google Maps and zooming in on one house.
Taking phrases and verses out of context always leads to misunderstanding. For instance, taking the phrase "God is love" (1 John 4:7-16) out of its context, we might come away thinking that our God loves everything and everyone at all times with a gushing, romantic love. But in its literal and grammatical context, “love†here refers to agape love, the essence of which is sacrifice for the benefit of another, not a sentimental, romantic love. The historical context is also crucial, because John was addressing believers in the first century church and instructing them not on God’s love per se, but on how to identify true believers from false professors. True love—the sacrificial, beneficial kind—is the mark of the true believer (v. 7), those who do not love do not belong to God (v. 8), God loved us before we loved Him (vv. 9-10), and all of this is why we should love one another and thereby prove that we are His (v. 11-12).
Furthermore, considering the phrase "God is love" in the context of all of Scripture (synthesis) will keep us from coming to the false, and all-too-common, conclusion that God is only love or that His love is greater than all His other attributes, which is simply not the case. We know from many other passages that God is also holy and righteous, faithful and trustworthy, graceful and merciful, kind and compassionate, omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient, and many, many other things. We also know from other passages that God not only loves, but He also hates.
The Bible is the Word of God, literally "God-breathed" (2 Timothy 3:16), and we are commanded to ready, study, and understand it through the use of good Bible study methods and always with the inspiration of the Holy Spirit to guide us (1 Corinthians 2:14). Our study is greatly enhanced by maintaining diligence in the use of context because it is quite easy come to wrong conclusions by taking phrases and verses out of context. It is not difficult to point out places that seemingly contradict other portions of Scripture, but if we carefully look at their context and use the entirety of Scripture as a reference, we can understand the meaning of a passage. “Context is king†means that the context often drives the meaning of a phrase. To ignore context is to put ourselves at a tremendous disadvantage.
Recommended Resource: Basic Bible Interpretation by Roy Zuck.
Source: GotQuestions.org
Deuteronomy 32:8-9.
In this verse, "El" is the pantheon God of a divine council. Here it is stated each memer of the divine council recieved a nation for their own; El is the head of the divine family, and each member of the divine family receives a nation of their own: Israel is the portion of Yahweh.
In addition there are ANE Ugarit Steles that point blank state Yahweh as being a son of the ANE "El."
Question: "Why is it important to study the Bible in context? What is wrong with taking verses out of context?"
Answer: It's important to study Bible passages and stories within their context. Taking verses out of context leads to all kinds of error and misunderstanding. Understanding context begins with four principles: literal meaning (what it says), historical setting (the events of the story, to whom is it addressed, and how it was understood at that time), grammar (the immediate sentence and paragraph within which a word or phrase is found) and synthesis (comparing it with other parts of Scripture for a fuller meaning). Context is crucial to biblical exegesis in that it is one of its most important fundamentals. After we account for the literal, historical, and grammatical nature of a passage, we must then focus on the outline and structure of the book, then the chapter, then the paragraph. All of these things refer to "context." To illustrate, it is like looking at Google Maps and zooming in on one house.
Taking phrases and verses out of context always leads to misunderstanding. For instance, taking the phrase "God is love" (1 John 4:7-16) out of its context, we might come away thinking that our God loves everything and everyone at all times with a gushing, romantic love. But in its literal and grammatical context, “love†here refers to agape love, the essence of which is sacrifice for the benefit of another, not a sentimental, romantic love. The historical context is also crucial, because John was addressing believers in the first century church and instructing them not on God’s love per se, but on how to identify true believers from false professors. True love—the sacrificial, beneficial kind—is the mark of the true believer (v. 7), those who do not love do not belong to God (v. 8), God loved us before we loved Him (vv. 9-10), and all of this is why we should love one another and thereby prove that we are His (v. 11-12).
Furthermore, considering the phrase "God is love" in the context of all of Scripture (synthesis) will keep us from coming to the false, and all-too-common, conclusion that God is only love or that His love is greater than all His other attributes, which is simply not the case. We know from many other passages that God is also holy and righteous, faithful and trustworthy, graceful and merciful, kind and compassionate, omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient, and many, many other things. We also know from other passages that God not only loves, but He also hates.
The Bible is the Word of God, literally "God-breathed" (2 Timothy 3:16), and we are commanded to ready, study, and understand it through the use of good Bible study methods and always with the inspiration of the Holy Spirit to guide us (1 Corinthians 2:14). Our study is greatly enhanced by maintaining diligence in the use of context because it is quite easy come to wrong conclusions by taking phrases and verses out of context. It is not difficult to point out places that seemingly contradict other portions of Scripture, but if we carefully look at their context and use the entirety of Scripture as a reference, we can understand the meaning of a passage. “Context is king†means that the context often drives the meaning of a phrase. To ignore context is to put ourselves at a tremendous disadvantage.
Recommended Resource: Basic Bible Interpretation by Roy Zuck.
Source: GotQuestions.org
Dear Alabaster, It is sufficient to study the Bible in the context of a good translation. Some translations are better than others. The ONT (Orthodox New Testament) and OSB (Orthodox Study Bible) are better translations than many of the others. But for most purposes, the KJV, the NKJV, the ESV with Apocrypha,
the RSV with Apocrypha, the NIV and the NASB are good versions of the Bible.
Only Hebrews 6:6 in the KJV, NKJV and ESV needs to be approached with caution; it doesn't have the word "if" in a good translation, so the NASB is better in this verse. As for the RSV, only Isaiah 7:14 in the RSV is a bad translation. It should be "virgin" rather than "young woman". We should avoid relying on less than literal versions like the TLB, NLT, the TEV and the CEV. The AMP is okay for some study, but much of this amounts to questionable commentary on Scripture rather than Scripture itself. Use with caution. Of course the lectionary of the Church is a good way of reading Scripture. It is better to hear Scripture being read in Church than to read it by oneself all of the time. We need help from trained men of God to know what the NT (and OT) mean by any difficult passages. Not everything in the Bible is easy to understand. In Erie PA Scott H.
I always think this example is a great way to show how NOT to do Bible study:
"And Judas went and hanged himself."
"Go thou, and do likewise."
The moral: context is very important (!)
Dear Alabaster, It is sufficient to study the Bible in the context of a good translation. Some translations are better than others.
Of course the lectionary of the Church is a good way of reading Scripture.
It is better to hear Scripture being read in Church than to read it by oneself all of the time. We need help from trained men of God to know what the NT (and OT) mean by any difficult passages. Not everything in the Bible is easy to understand. In Erie PA Scott H.
This is priceless!
Didn't someone say something about context earlier in this thread? If you read those verses in context, you will see that El and YHWH are one and the same. YHWH is a name, while El is a title. Saying that one is subservient to the other is like saying Obama is subservient to the president of the United States or that Elizabeth Windsor II is subservient to the queen of England.
Thankyou Tabasco for the interesting if misleading twist in the thread. I believe that El is a generic title attributed to several false gods and so yes it is true that El is named as the head of a pantheon of Caananite gods which include among others Asherah, Baal, Moloch and I will concede Yahweh - I even hate to group Yahweh with such company but bear with me here. Remember that Yahweh of the bible is the Yahweh of Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Yahweh is a jealous God who wont share His Glory with another, He is the Most High who demands we worship only Him. Yahweh is the Almighty God who is Lord of all the earth and so is it surprising to find references to Yahweh outside of the bible. Infact does the bible itself not testify to this very phenomenon in the account of Baalam in Numbers 22-24. Baalam was a non Israelite prophet who was sent to proclaim curses over Israel but as Yahweh was his source could only bless Yahwehs people.
The complete revelation of Yahweh to us comes through Gods chosen nation - through Israel and so we need not speak of a pantheon as Yahweh is the one and only true God and all others are simply rocks and kindling nothing more.
On a side note though I do love the richness of the revelation which comes to us through scripture of the Names of God which illustrate beautifully the myriad character who is the essence of Yahweh.
Hi Harvest and thanks for your post. Yes, I do understand that Yahweh thus becomes the God of their own as they transition from the Polytheist culture they derived from to the monontheist culture they became.
My point here is yes, one can study the Bible in context within itself, but if one really wants to understand the Bible, one must open that window alot wider and understand what influenced them, as again, it was not created in a divine vaccum.
Take care.
Further I havent come across any compelling evidence in either the bible or elsewhere that Judaism had its roots in polytheism. What is evidenced though is that Israel continually lost its way and practiced Polytheism, - infact it was this fact that brought Gods judgement on Israel time and time again and led to both the Northern and Southern Kingdoms being taken into captivity
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Hi AlabasterWe do not need to go to extra-biblical texts to study the bible and remain in context.
Yes..in fact you do.
Take for example the misunderstanding of the intent and Beast of Revelations with the numbering of 666 or 616 depending on NT text. The reason why it is so misunderstood and mischaracterized by Christianity is because they deem literature that would clear it up in a hurry irrelevant because it is not part of the Bible.
I think it is one those things where the faith view is taught so long that its discomforting to look outside.