Why Modern Jubilee Prophesies are Wrong!

[Cyberseeker]

Recently there have been a bunch of failed end-time predictions. The latest cases relate to the ancient Hebrew cycles of ‘Shemitah’ and ‘Yovel’ – in English, the Sabbatical years, and the Jubilee. There is no doubt they were a part of an old Hebrew calendar, but that function no longer operates. The Jubilee was not followed by the Jews after the Persian period, and the ‘Shemitah’, although continuing, lost its use as a calendar system.

Yes, the old Jubilee can be found, but false prophets have got on to the Jubilee bandwagon without properly interpreting it. Nor have they properly researched their dates. For example, Harold Camping, built his now discredited theories on a Jubilee date of Tishri (Sept) 1994/1995. Since then Rabbi Jonathan Cahn places the Jubilee starting this month, Tishri (Sept) 2015/2016. He relates it to the ‘blood moon’ phenomena, and current world economic problems. Then there is John Hagee and others like him.

I hope to explain why I believe these charlatans are dead wrong! In the meanwhile, please take a moment to do the poll.

Cyber

 

[Cyberseeker]

Yes, the old Jubilee can be found, but to do that we must find the Sabbatical years first. Fortunately, these 7-year interval dates have been found. A Jewish scholar by the name of Benedict Zuckermann researched the 2nd temple period, and the writings of the Maccabees and Josephus, pinning about five separate Sabbath examples. From these ‘anchor’ dates the Shemitah has been accurately tracked, 7+7+7+7+7 etc. right down to our present day. Our most recent Shemitah year (Sept 2014/2015) is a continuous count of ‘sevens’ from these historical dates.

I’ll get to the Jubilee shortly, but first of all it might be of interest to us Christians to know when the Shemitah fell during the ministry of Jesus. It was AD26/27 at the time of his baptism. The next Shemitah year was AD33/34 but, of course, he had been crucified by then.

(more coming)

 

[Sinthesis]

I'm fairly convinced that you've found and dated the historic jubilee cycle.

 

[Cyberseeker]

Thanks Sinthesis,

Did you get my book from here, or from Amazon? Just asking because there is an expanded edition now.

 

[Cyberseeker]

Reason #1 - Modern Prophecies do not count from known Bible Jubilee Dates!

The Jubilee came after every seventh sabbatical year. Yes, people have the Shemitah years right, but which one is is the seventh? Which one is followed by the Jubilee? To count between Jubilees we need to find a known case in the Bible and count 49-year cycles (some say 50) until we locate the one we are looking for. But year AD 2015 is not one of them.

The last known example of a Jubilee year is found in the New Testament and follows the Sabbatical year that occurred when John the Baptist started preaching. As noted in my previous post, Jewish Shemitah dates correctly place that year in AD 26. So, the 50th year would have been AD 27. Now, here is how we know that the Jubilee was indeed AD 27. In that year, at the very beginning of his ministry, Jesus made his first public announcement by walking into the synagogue, and reading from the prophet Isaiah. He proclaimed,

"good news to the poor, liberty to the captives, opening of the prisons, and THE YEAR of the LORD'S FAVOR." Then, with staring eyes locked on to him, he made this extraordinary declaration: "TODAY this scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing!" (Luke 4:21)

So, AD 27 was the LORD's Jubilee. For the record, I would like to say that I do not believe we should continue adding this cycle beyond its Messianic fulfillment. However, because false prophets are doing so, I feel compelled to do the same, so that their falsehood can be exposed. Please pull out your calculator and add repeating jubilee cycles from AD27 and see where it arrives at - not AD 2015 is it? If we count increments of 49 to the nearest date in our time, it arrives at AD 1987.

If you think 50 years might work better, give it a go. AD27 + 50 + 50 + 50 etc. arrives at AD 2027. Not much better is it? So let us stop this nonsense about a special Jubilee year being right now? It isn't - blood moons, doom, economic collapse, Jubilee year - it simply isn't true!

Cyber

 

[Paloma]

http://pulpitandpen.org/2015/09/14/...-the-difference-between-shemitah-and-shinola/

 

[jocor]

The Jubilee is a command of Almighty Yahweh and is valid and in effect until it sees its ultimate fulfilment when Yeshua literally sets the captives of death who are in the graves free so they can return to their families. If it is true that the timing of the Jubilee is lost, it doesn't matter except that men won't be able to keep it because they don't know when it is. The Almighty knows when it is and will bring about its fulfilment at the appointed time.

 

[Cyberseeker]

Reason #2 - The Ancient Jewish Calendar began in March - not September!

End-time predictions based on the Shemitah and Jubilee are inevitably muddled because modern 'prophets' are using the modern Jewish calendar which begins in Tishri. (Sept/Oct) The Shemitah of the Old Testament was different. It began in Abib. (Mar/April)

The Lord said to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, “This month (Abib) shall be for you the beginning of months. It shall be the first month of the year for you. (Exodus 12:1-2)

However, there was one year (only one) that began in Tishri. It was 50th year which was called the Jubilee.

You shall count seven weeks of years, seven times seven years, so that the time of the seven weeks of years shall give you forty-nine years. Then you shall sound the loud trumpet on the tenth day of the seventh month. On the Day of Atonement you shall sound the trumpet throughout all your land. And you shall consecrate the fiftieth year. (Leviticus 25: 8-10)

It may seem strange to have a year starting on the seventh month, but until we understand it, we will never find the 'lost' Jubilee years. How it worked was like this: The 50th year was not consecutive with other years, but was overlaid on top of the last half of the 49th year. Put another way, it straddled the last and first years of the Sabbatic cycles. Here is a diagram:

Understanding this system helps stop faulty counting. It is widely assumed that the cycle was fifty years, but efforts to count 50 + 50 + 50 etc fail to locate the Jubilees. Please note: I am talking about actual Jubilees in the Bible - not calculations into the future. However, IF end-time 'predictors' must project Jubilees beyond Christ, the least they can do is get the system right. The Shemitah began in March - not September; and the Sabbatical cycle is 49 - not 50.

Cyber

 

[Cyberseeker]

Reason #3 - The Jubilee count was not meant to be extended past Messiah!

As I said earlier, the only reason Ive counted the Shemitah and Jubilees to our present century, was to prove that this year could not have been a Jubilee. If it was, the ‘sensation brigade’ would say, “Well, nothing happened during the blood moons, but something BIG will happen between Sept 2015 and Sept 2016, because it’s the Jubilee.” Well, it is not!

More importantly, we as Christians are not even supposed to be following the Shemitah anyway. Its whole purpose was to count down to Messiah, and its fulfilment is the liberty that we find in Christ. Yes, it is true that the Jews still follow the Shemitah, but only out of tradition. It is not going anywhere like it did before - certainly not to the 2nd coming of Christ. His 1st coming is what it’s all about, and the systematic count of ‘sevens’ converge with amazing precision to the sacrifice of Christ.

I can understand why Jewish scholars avoid the implications of the Jubilee count, but for the life of me, I cannot understand why more Christians have not explored it through the Bible. It counts like clockwork from Moses to Jesus, the anointed one.

 

[jocor]

More importantly, we as Christians are not even supposed to be following the Shemitah anyway. Its whole purpose was to count down to Messiah, and its fulfilment is the liberty that we find in Christ. Yes, it is true that the Jews still follow the Shemitah, but only out of tradition. It is not going anywhere like it did before - certainly not to the 2nd coming of Christ. His 1st coming is what it’s all about, and the systematic count of ‘sevens’ converge with amazing precision to the sacrifice of Christ.

I disagree. You are using Luke 4:18-19 to arrive at such a conclusion.

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luke 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Luk 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
Luk 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.
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Yes, Isaiah 61:1-2a was fulfilled in their ears, but Leviticus 25:9-13 was not.

Lev 25:9 Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.
Lev 25:10 And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.
Lev 25:11 A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto you: ye shall not sow, neither reap that which groweth of itself in it, nor gather the grapes in it of thy vine undressed.
Lev 25:12 For it is the jubile; it shall be holy unto you: ye shall eat the increase thereof out of the field.
Lev 25:13 In the year of this jubile ye shall return every man unto his possession. (KJV)
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Yeshua "preached the gospel to the poor", but he did not literally bring them out of their poverty and restore their possession. He did "heal the brokenhearted", but not all the brokenhearted. Nor were the brokenhearted mentioned in connection with the Jubilee of Lev 25. He did "preach deliverance to the captives", but he did not literally set the captives of death free. King David, for example, was still being held captive by death at the time Yeshua spoke those words (Acts 2:29). He did recover the sight of some blind people, but the blind were not mentioned concerning the Jubilee. He did "set at liberty them that are bruised" by healing the crippled, etc., but such healing were not part of the Jubilee according to Lev 25.

Yeshua will, however, totally fulfill the Jubilee when he comes to resurrect the dead, free them from their graves that are locked and holding them captive, and return them to their possession and families. This will all happen at the sound of the antitypical Jubilee trumpet on a future Day of Atonement.

 

[Blake]

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[Cyberseeker]

I lose my sanctification sometimes.

 

[Eugene]

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Thanks.

 

[tim-from-pa]

I've done my own calculations, Sir Isaac Newton style regarding the year of the Jubilee. It's based on one passage in the bible regarding King Hezekiah, my favorite "sundial" King. That mention of the dial of Ahaz is clue in and of itself that passages dealing with time of King Hezekiah were important. 2 Kings 19:29 (and a similar passage in Isaiah) seems to indicate that those was a Sabbatical year and Jubilee year together. The argument is strengthened by the fact that stories about this King seem to have mention of time as I already stated. Another indirect mention of the sundial is by the Lord himself in John 11:9, thus defining a day and a night each 12 hours (not 'inclusive reckoning'). Now we know that the Hezekiah incident took place circa 700BC give or take a year or two. Thus, by grouping 49 years after that, I can get a good idea within a year or two when the next Jubilee is. Out of convention, I just take for granted that the Sabbatical years were not broken, although one fellow I read believes it takes place one year later, but not a great discrepancy. A Jubilee year always takes place after a Sabbatical year so one can just figure the next Jubilee is the year after the Sabbatical year near that 49 year cycle from 700BC.

Personally, like Sir Isaac Newton, I believe Christ was crucified 34AD and arrived at that conclusion independently before I knew he believed that. I found that there are 3 criteria I used (it's in another thread), but in a nutshell:

1) Revelation 12:1 describes an astronomical position when he was born, making it mid September
2) That he lived 12240 days as indicated in the "Christ triangle" in the Great Pyramid, but verified by biblical deduction I came out to the exact same number of days (12240 = 34 x 360 or 80 x 153) and
3) 12240 days of life from mid-September always falls late March. He was crucified on a Wednesday to fulfill Matthew 12:40

34AD I believe was a Sabbatical year, and going multiples of 49 from about 700BC takes us to 35AD. I'm not sure of the significance of that year. One can just keep adding 49 years to get future Jubilee years.

And that's the summary of how I got the Jubilee years. I'm not super adamant on it, but using the premises I mentioned, it seems things worked out too exact to make one take a second look and make me think this is probably the case.

 

[smaller]

Time in the Biblical contexts can be a little fuzzy, as there are various measures applied to various parties.

In retrospect, I think most can see that the early Apostles believed Jesus return was imminent. And each subsequent generations of believers have had the same belief, of imminent return.

Obviously "imminent" did not and has not applied for quite some time now.

I'd have to call it a wild card of unknown factors, not meant to be seen as a calendar item, or the Apostles would have delivered some calendar markers.

They didn't spend any time doing that that I can tell, i.e. dragging out the Jewish calendar and working out the math on various cycles.

Not saying there are not other "general markers," delivered for our benefits. Having studied these matters from, what is to me at this point, just about every angle possible, I still remain without an opinion, other than, if it's time to see, we will see it clearly, and perhaps even cohesively.

I might even think that various marriage rituals in the O.T. might hold more clues than Jubilees. So, using that marker, this is what The Spirit and the BRIDE will be heard, saying:

Revelation 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

When I hear this, I'll know the "time" is close at hand.

If you want to read of a rather flaming finality, real Joel 2 sometime. Particularly vs. 2-11.

21 Fear not, O land; be glad and rejoice: for the Lord will do great things.

 

[Cyberseeker]

I've done my own calculations, Sir Isaac Newton style regarding the year of the Jubilee. It's based on one passage in the bible regarding King Hezekiah, my favorite "sundial" King. That mention of the dial of Ahaz is clue in and of itself that passages dealing with time of King Hezekiah were important. 2 Kings 19:29 (and a similar passage in Isaiah) seems to indicate that those was a Sabbatical year and Jubilee year together.

Yes, it is a very good example because they had to find food 'grown wild' for 2 years in a row. To make things worse, it happened at the same time that the Assyrians invaded - a test of faith if ever there was one! However, we have a problem with the date. Historians usually date the invasion at 701 BC because that seems to fit Sennacherib's reign. New evidence is now emerging that it happened in 710 BC and this fits the count of Sabbatical/Jubilee years better. (Chronological background details here)

Personally, like Sir Isaac Newton ...

... 34AD I believe was a Sabbatical year, and going multiples of 49 from about 700BC takes us to 35AD. I'm not sure of the significance of that year. One can just keep adding 49 years to get future Jubilee years.

You may be interested to know that a colleague of Isaac Newton was William Whiston who translated the works of Josephus into English. In his footnotes, he states that 24 BC was a Sabbath and 23 BC a Jubilee. That locates the next case at AD 26/27.

 

[tim-from-pa]

Yes, it is a very good example because they had to find food 'grown wild' for 2 years in a row. To make things worse, it happened at the same time that the Assyrians invaded - a test of faith if ever there was one! However, we have a problem with the date. Historians usually date the invasion at 701 BC because that seems to fit Sennacherib's reign. New evidence is now emerging that it happened in 710 BC and this fits the count of Sabbatical/Jubilee years better. (Chronological background details here)

Yes, if that circa 700 BC date is off, then indeed that would move the Jubilee up about 10 years. Sir Isaac Newton's historical datings of some events differed by several years from the mainline interpretations. This is also why I won't use Daniel's 70-year prophecy to date the year of Christ's Crucifixion because they can't agree. It's interesting to note that from one supposed time of the edict, 490 years later does come out to 34AD, but some believe he died in the midst of the week. Whether or not that is true, without an absolute starting point, it's worthless. It only gives us a general time frame. Historians and theologians tend to be bad and/or non-interested astronomers. The 3 points I outlined are actually independent of historical references, other than using a historical window of the crucifixion of 26-36AD. But the rest is just mathematics. The subject tends to be freer of interpretations and prejudices. One gentleman I talked with from Australia claimed the crucifixion took place 32AD. When I said that it would not work on the right day of the week, he stated that even the weekly cycle was messed up. I am not aware of any historical references where it was, but if that were the case, that would open another can of worms.

 

[Cyberseeker]

We waited for the blood moon predictions, and nothing happened!

And guess what? A batch of new books are now appearing. They are making new predictions based on their false projections of the Jubilee year. Will futurist end-timers ever learn? It is such a pity, because the Jubilee (and Shemitah) are a powerful countdown to the first appearing of Jesus Messiah.

Cyber

 

[Sinthesis]

We waited for the blood moon predictions, and nothing happened!

And guess what? A batch of new books are now appearing. They are making new predictions based on their false projections of the Jubilee year. Will futurist end-timers ever learn? It is such a pity, because the Jubilee (and Shemitah) are a powerful countdown to the first appearing of Jesus Messiah.

Cyber

They have learned,,, how to sell books to those with itchy ears.

 

[Ph8th]

Jesus told us we will not know the hour nor the day. He told us what is important is we are ready.

The bridegroom
Is coming be prepared
Fill your lantern
Up to the brim
Keep your eyes open
As you wait for Him
You don’t know
Hour nor the day
When He is coming
And passes your way
Should you tarry
If you are late
Not being prepared
will seal your fate
Knock as you may
Cry to come in
The invitation
Is with drawn
You will not
Be with Him​

peter