WHY SUCH COVER-UP @ HUGE WASTE IN SPACE??

[MrVersatile48]

I've long wanted to do a thread @ the insanity of wasting trillions of dollars in space programs' insane quest for excuses to ignore God's laws & promote atheism - esp as so many are starving, homeless & poor in today's world

Today's EU probe news means now is the ideal time

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/09112005/325/e ... probe.html

If you search @ "space probe costs", you get a link that falsely claims that it costs NASA less to send a probe to Mars than it would cost Hollywood to make a movie @ it

Does anyone recall the very sarcastic '70s Larry Norman song @ the cost of the '69 moon landing?

It talked @ the huge media frenzy over the samples of moon rock & the end said, "Only cost $13 billion dollars: musta been nice rocks!!"

Even @ '69 costs of moon probe, against today's cost of movies, I seem to recall recent TV shows & magazine features about the multi-MILLION costs of the Top 50 most popular films ever

If you add 26 years of inflation to space probe costs, it is even more obvious that cover-ups keep true costs from the public

There are 3m+ homeless in Kashmir alone

& a VERY high % of Earth's peoples are seriously under-nourished

Why not write to your MPs @ http://www.parliament.uk & demand that taxpayers' limited resources be used in truly wise & beneficial ways

I hear http://www.whitehouse.gov has an email/contact click

Back with a link to the much-awaited Kansas decision to break the stranglehold of Orwellian brainwashing indoctrination & allow academic freedom to criticise Darwinian drivel & teach the overwhelming scientific evidenced for Intelligent Design...

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... 925#220925 - (& scroll up 1 post to the news 1)

& links to that clear evidence @ our science forum..

Appropriate place to recommend the helpful menu @ http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/qa.asp

As promised, I've brought in their "Revised & Expanded Answers Book" by Drs Ken Ham, Jonathan Sarfati, Carl Wieland, Werner Gitt, John Baumgardner, Russell Humphreys, Len Morris, David Catchpoole & others

On the way here, I read their chapters on Carbon/Radiometric Dating & How We Can See Distant Stars In A Young Universe - (pages 75 & 95)

Here's an amazing menu of online evidence for a young Earth & universe:-:-
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/young.asp


Do hit their website - & the comprehensive 1 @ http://www.creationism.org

& a 2nd menu of articles there - http://www.creationism.org/articles/index.htm

& the ID one @ http://www.discovery.org/csc

Here's their "Top Questions" link:-
http://www.discovery.org/csc/topQuestions.php

i]This 1 may be especially helpful:-[/i]
http://www.discovery.org/csc/topQuestio ... nEvolution

Just time to recommend a superb debunking of evo's homology argument - the way they say that similarities mean 1 species descended from another..& another..

See http://www.AnswersInGenesis.org & http://www.creationism.org & http://www.discovery.org/csc - & Refuting Evolution 2, by Dr Jonathan Sarfati, pages 112-115

Briefly, it's like saying different models of cars evolved from each other - everyone knows that good designers go with what works best & do variations on it, yes?

& more links...

As in "Give ToE frauds the Boot"
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=18585

See also Dump Dating Disasters!!!
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=18642

& don't miss...

Give it up already....
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=18666

Or..

Evo Goes To Court...
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=18041

Or..

Evo350%loopypoop...
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=18429

Or...

From search @DNA @ www,creationism.org

http://www.creationism.org/batman/ Batman - Ron LyttleThat the complexity of DNA & RNA could arise from primordial soup by random-chance is scientifically impossible.
http://www.creationism.org/batman/ - 10k - Cached - Similar pages


First Life - Excerpt from How Life BeganThe DNA of even the most simple cell has at least as much information as a thousand page ... 1 Speaking of the information in DNA, Philip Johnson explains, ...
http://www.creationism.org/heinze/First ... nCells.htm - 20k - Cached - Similar pages


CSSHS Archives - v16n2p23.htmHowever, the DNA is not intact, so they use sophisticated equipment to fill the gaps. Where this does not work, they use DNA from other organisms, ...
http://www.creationism.org/csshs/v16n2p23.htm - 12k - Cached - Similar pages


First Life - Excerpt from How Life BeganThese proteins then got together with DNA to form the first simple cell. ... The DNA, however, can not turn protein production on or off by itself. ...
http://www.creationism.org/heinze/First ... rotein.htm - 19k - Cached - Similar pages


Answers to my Evolutionist FriendsIt did not add complex new information to the the Sheep's DNA which would ... Before the existence of any detailed knowledge of DNA, if one really wanted to ...
http://www.creationism.org/heinze/PresentDayEx.htm - 28k - Cached - Similar pages


First Life - Excerpt from How Life Began... proteins which eventually got together with DNA to form the first simple cell. ... and DNA were formed by chance in organic broth and then got together. ...
http://www.creationism.org/heinze/First ... mSpace.htm - 16k - Cached - Similar pages

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Enjoy, y'all!!!

Ian

 

[Quadeshet]

Man, priorities!

http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php ... Itemid=182

How does space exploration promote atheism? If your god really did create the universe and everything in it, you could see exploration as going to get a closer look!

More importantly, shouldn't we be spending money on preventing the causes of world hunger... like war, unequal distribution of aid, environmental destruction, etc?

The problem is not a lack of money, it's an excess of greed.

 

[Drew]

It of course seems obvious that spending $$$ on space exploration is misguided, seeing that there are millions starving, etc.

However, I suspect that any serious effort at examing whether "its worth it" to spend money on space programs requires a more detailed examination of the programs in question.

In general, people don't want to do the hard work of analysis that is required to come with a truly informed view on any topic.

It could be the case that the technological benefits of the space programs benefit all mankind in the long run - ironically, it could actually turn out that more lives will be saved as a result of new technologies than would be saved by taking the money and buying food for the poor.

Of course, it might turn out that an analysis would show that the "common sense" view is right - namely that spending $$$ on space programs is irresponsible, given the plight of so many on Earth.

I will close with a speculation about why Mr. Normans line "only cost 13 billion dollars: musta been nice rocks" strikes such a chord. Most of us, sad to say, take pleasure in thinking other people are dumber than we are. It makes us feel better to think all those government types don't know what they are doing.

Determining whether space programs are worth it cannot be settled by superficial arguments - a careful examination of the technological spin-offs and their potential for application here on earth is required.

 

[peace4all]

$16,194.4 (in millions) spent by nasa this year


http://costofwar.com/wrappedindex.html

thats the cost of the iraq war so far....

isnt it funny?

i mean geez, all this talk about helping people.

Instead, we could have provided
10,583,238
students four-year scholarships at public universities.

nstead, we could have built
1,965,686
additional housing units.

Instead, we could have insured
130,725,258
children for one year.


nasa has developed things such as styrofoam, velcro, those really cool mattress's and TONS of other things humans on earth take for granted.

What has the iraq war done?

About 13,000 Iraqis, including as many as 4,300 civilians, were killed during the major combat phase of the Iraq war, according to a US research group.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3223523.stm

Date

Total

In Combat
American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 2055 1650
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03) (the list)

1918

1542
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 1588 1346
Since Handover (6/29/04): 1189 1017
Since Election (1/31/05): 617 542
American Wounded Official Estimated
Total Wounded: 15477 15000 - 48100

so umm, idunno about you.. But i think that this space exploration thing is ALOT better than this whole murder civilians kinda thing. But, Hey, whatever dude, go protest an abortion clinic, and sign your kid up to go kill some other countries children, its all good right?

 

[antitox]

It of course seems obvious that spending $$$ on space exploration is misguided, seeing that there are millions starving, etc.

However, I suspect that any serious effort at examing whether "its worth it" to spend money on space programs requires a more detailed examination of the programs in question.

In general, people don't want to do the hard work of analysis that is required to come with a truly informed view on any topic.

It could be the case that the technological benefits of the space programs benefit all mankind in the long run - ironically, it could actually turn out that more lives will be saved as a result of new technologies than would be saved by taking the money and buying food for the poor.

Of course, it might turn out that an analysis would show that the "common sense" view is right - namely that spending $$$ on space programs is irresponsible, given the plight of so many on Earth.

I will close with a speculation about why Mr. Normans line "only cost 13 billion dollars: musta been nice rocks" strikes such a chord. Most of us, sad to say, take pleasure in thinking other people are dumber than we are. It makes us feel better to think all those government types don't know what they are doing.

Determining whether space programs are worth it cannot be settled by superficial arguments - a careful examination of the technological spin-offs and their potential for application here on earth is required.

I agree. There have been alot of technological advances from the space program.

 

[antitox]

$16,194.4 (in millions) spent by nasa this year


http://costofwar.com/wrappedindex.html

thats the cost of the iraq war so far....

isnt it funny?

i mean geez, all this talk about helping people.

Instead, we could have provided
10,583,238
students four-year scholarships at public universities.

nstead, we could have built
1,965,686
additional housing units.

Instead, we could have insured
130,725,258
children for one year.


nasa has developed things such as styrofoam, velcro, those really cool mattress's and TONS of other things humans on earth take for granted.

What has the iraq war done?

About 13,000 Iraqis, including as many as 4,300 civilians, were killed during the major combat phase of the Iraq war, according to a US research group.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3223523.stm


[quote:9afa7]Date

Total

In Combat
American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 2055 1650
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03) (the list)

1918

1542
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 1588 1346
Since Handover (6/29/04): 1189 1017
Since Election (1/31/05): 617 542
American Wounded Official Estimated
Total Wounded: 15477 15000 - 48100

so umm, idunno about you.. But i think that this space exploration thing is ALOT better than this whole murder civilians kinda thing. But, Hey, whatever dude, go protest an abortion clinic, and sign your kid up to go kill some other countries children, its all good right?[/quote:9afa7]

You've been harping on the Iraq war ever since you got on this board and it hasn't stopped.

It won't matter what the issue is; you will conduct your activist focus to speak against everything the US does.

You all could have harped on Somalia, or Bosnia, or maybe gone over there and done your protesting.

You are a "global follower," a critique of the US, the country that has done more world good than any nation on the planet.

You hate the US as if you are the good guy and all efforts are meager by your standards and somehow below morals (which you don't have anyway), and no one is allowed to do anything without your QC stamp on it.

 

[peace4all]

Yet I am applauding our space efforts for finding new technology.

CRUD! that must mean I hate everything the USA does.


Look at it this way.

MOST people here, (besides the atheists) seem to be pro war. SO, when they think it is a waste to spend money on technology, developing new things etc, YET still think it is a good idea to spend money murdering people..

Idunno, I Just have to jump up and down and point out a lack of thinking when i see it..

 

[ThinkerMan]

I am an atheist, but I am not necessarily anti-war.

In the instance of the Iraq war, I was against going. Now that we are there, however, we have a necessarily job to finish that I support.

I was definately in support of the Afganistan campaign.

With respect to the similarities between the technological benefits of the space program and war, I am reminded of this great quote from "Third Man" spoken by Orsen Welles.

"Like the fella says, in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love -- they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."

 

[antitox]

Yet I am applauding our space efforts for finding new technology.

No you're not. You told me on another thread you were going to live somewhere else.

CRUD! that must mean I hate everything the USA does.

Just about.

Look at it this way.

MOST people here, (besides the atheists) seem to be pro war. SO, when they think it is a waste to spend money on technology, developing new things etc, YET still think it is a good idea to spend money murdering people..

Idunno, I Just have to jump up and down and point out a lack of thinking when i see it..

Of course you do.

 

[MrVersatile48]

FOCUS DOES BEST..

There are 3m+ homeless in Kashmir alone

& a VERY high % of Earth's peoples are seriously under-nourished

Why not write to your MPs @ http://www.parliament.uk & demand that taxpayers' limited resources be used in truly wise & beneficial ways

I hear http://www.whitehouse.gov has an email/contact click

MUST GO!

 

[Drew]

Greetings MrVersatile48:

I have one question for your consideration. How, exactly, do you know that space programs are a waste of money (this is your position as I understand it)?

 

[peace4all]

antitox.

I can be an american, i can be an iraqi, a canadian, or swiss, and STILL respect our space program. It has been very benificial for the whole world.

Just because I do not want to live in america, because there are other countries far superior, doesn't mean that EVERYTHING america does is bad.

We have a few good things.


and yes thinker, srry for generalizing ALL atheists. I was looking at a majority that i talk to on atheistnetwork and IRL.. most disagree with a war..

 

[Wertbag]

One arguement I've heard is that we need the space exploration to develop a way off this planet. Between mans great ability to wipe ourselves out, to wipe out life and destroy the planet, plus the possibility of another ice age or meteor impact, seems that it would be a good idea for mankind to continue to exist to have a plan B...

 

[antitox]

antitox.

I can be an american, i can be an iraqi, a canadian, or swiss, and STILL respect our space program. It has been very benificial for the whole world.

Just because I do not want to live in america, because there are other countries far superior, doesn't mean that EVERYTHING america does is bad.

Far superior? Well what are you waitin' for? Go get yourself a plane ticket! No time to waste! :smt079

 

[peace4all]

Want to get me the money? if it was possible. yes.

I can't until I work enough.. Im still only 18..

 

[antitox]

Want to get me the money? if it was possible. yes.

I can't until I work enough.. Im still only 18..

Only 18?:smt104 No wonder why you complain about America so much! You haven't even learned life yet!

 

[theonex]

$16,194.4 (in millions) spent by nasa this year


http://costofwar.com/wrappedindex.html

thats the cost of the iraq war so far....

isnt it funny?

i mean geez, all this talk about helping people.

Instead, we could have provided
10,583,238
students four-year scholarships at public universities.

nstead, we could have built
1,965,686
additional housing units.

Instead, we could have insured
130,725,258
children for one year.


nasa has developed things such as styrofoam, velcro, those really cool mattress's and TONS of other things humans on earth take for granted.

What has the iraq war done?

About 13,000 Iraqis, including as many as 4,300 civilians, were killed during the major combat phase of the Iraq war, according to a US research group.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3223523.stm


[quote:84ae6]Date

Total

In Combat
American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 2055 1650
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03) (the list)

1918

1542
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 1588 1346
Since Handover (6/29/04): 1189 1017
Since Election (1/31/05): 617 542
American Wounded Official Estimated
Total Wounded: 15477 15000 - 48100

so umm, idunno about you.. But i think that this space exploration thing is ALOT better than this whole murder civilians kinda thing. But, Hey, whatever dude, go protest an abortion clinic, and sign your kid up to go kill some other countries children, its all good right?[/quote:84ae6]

You know you guys putting these death numbers up forget that if we didn't take out Saddam is that thousands more people would die then that died during the war. What you also forget is that this is also part of the War on Terrorism, and Iraq is in a very strategic location that will allow us to go just about anywhere needed in that region. If people would just think or remember you would have no point. Don't think that I'm pro-war either. I would rather not go to war but I understand why we are in this war.

 

[ThinkerMan]

You know you guys putting these death numbers up forget that if we didn't take out Saddam is that thousands more people would die then that died during the war.

There hasn't been a clear demonstrated link between Al Queda and Iraq to substaniate this claim. If it was simply a numbers game, there would likely have been other places to go after radical islamics. Iraq was one of the more secular islamic countries.

What you also forget is that this is also part of the War on Terrorism, and Iraq is in a very strategic location that will allow us to go just about anywhere needed in that region.

If that is the reason for going to war, I certainly never heard it. The reason for going to war was nothing more nor nothing less than WMD. Yes, there are "fringe" benefits derived from having a cooperative Iraq, but that was never the justification.

The reason for war is radically different today then it was shortly before the war....our memories have grown short indeed.

If people would just think or remember you would have no point. Don't think that I'm pro-war either. I would rather not go to war but I understand why we are in this war.

I somewhat agree. I am not anti-war. Indeed, I fully supported and continue to support the campaign in Afganistan.

I was against going into Iraq because I didn't see a compelling reason, and I thought the WMD claims were weak. But we are there, and I agree that we need to finish the job. I would only add that it doesn't behoove the effort to change the history of the original reason for going there.

BTW...welcome to the forum.