Why when the word of God comes to fruition in real life do we feel it to be a manifestation of evil?

[Jamex234]

The bible in both the new and old testament there are tons of scriptures with the consequences of the sinners being very clear. Most commonly we can see them being depicted as “abominations” “their death is upon them” referring these people to then be “stoned” for their sins.

If a person actually is stoned for their sins then that would mean the Lord had to have contracted killers to do it. He in fact has to come to the people that are to carry out the stoning and tell them these people are sinners and abominations and “their death is upon them” for the people to even know to stone them.

However, when we see this actual event to come into fruition in modern day our intuition always tells us it was really an evil thing that occured. For instance, take an escort in todays society, say she is contacted by a iohn who ends up killing her and when he is interviewed by detectives he says he is a messiah sent by God to bring sinners to the fate that they deserve.

Whenever something like this happens in real life and the killer really believes he was sent by God to brutally murder someone because he is deeming them deserving we believe that person to actually have been sought out by the most evil deceiving spirit who always CLAIMS to be God and through claiming to be the MOST good he is able to deceive someones mind into committing such a heinous act as murder bc they believe they are doing it for the greatest of goods.

If we never believe in real life that the person that believes they were sent by God to kill was actually in contact with the real Holy Spirit, how come we believe in the bible that the people that were abominations were to be stoned to death if the same Holy Spirit had to contact members of the church or assassins basically to carry out that stoning upon the ones who were sinners. If we argue that the old testament new testament then we are basically saying a spirit that is always to be good hadn’t realized in the new testament it committed evil. If we say light is to be without darkness and to be in darkness is to be without the presence of light how can good really commit evil and be good but evil is only evil.

 

[for_his_glory]

Many that do not understand the ways of God and His righteous judgements are usually those who have condemned themselves thinking God is evil for stoning people to death. Now this was part of the law until the time of Jesus in whom was the fulfillment of many of the laws as not all are fulfilled yet until the coming of Christ when all will be fulfilled. But that is another topic.

Let's look at what Jesus says in John 8:1-11 to those who were ready to stone this woman accused of adultery and what Jesus said to her.

"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."

" Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?"

"Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."
Who of any of us are without sin?
Walking in the Light
1John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
1John 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Hope this helps with your question.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Hello Jamesx234.
When scripture says God moves people to do evil, it's because he defined what evil is.
Since it's his will for killing without justification to be seen as evil, anyone who is tempted to commit murder is being moved by God toward (what God said is) evil,

...thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge...Gen.15:13-14

 

[Jamex234]

Many that do not understand the ways of God and His righteous judgements are usually those who have condemned themselves thinking God is evil for stoning people to death. Now this was part of the law until the time of Jesus in whom was the fulfillment of many of the laws as not all are fulfilled yet until the coming of Christ when all will be fulfilled. But that is another topic.

Let's look at what Jesus says in John 8:1-11 to those who were ready to stone this woman accused of adultery and what Jesus said to her.

"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."

" Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?"

"Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."
Who of any of us are without sin?
Walking in the Light
1John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
1John 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Hope this helps with your question.

So basically God can commit evil and be good and it just be due to humans lack of understanding but its good. What I am getting at is this is a way to coerce people into committing evil for the greater of good but how can good ever cosign you committing evil and maintain its title of good and the only explanation be you just don’t understand:

Also you didn’t acknowledge the modern day comparison I made so I will repeat it again. If in modern day a sinner is stoned by someone who claims to be a prophet from God why does our intuition tell us an evil spirit deceived that person into thinking they were God but we don’t question the stoning scriptures at all bc of the ranking in authority and whom we believe it to be coming from.

So basically we are no different from serial killers that believe they were sent by God to kill the sinners if we believe God can tell people to commit evil and stone people and still be good. The killer believes he is being instructed by a good spirit to do evil and thus always maintains the tact that he the killer is the good one. How is this any different?

if our intuition in modern day tells us we just witnessed evil, how can the same exact happening in the bible be considered good ans based on the bible how come we dont believe today God actually sent the killers claiming tk be prophets to kill the sinners. It just doesn’t make sense and reiterating bible verses doesn’t do a thing to help. It just provides you with a way to not think about what is being done bc you blindly trust something that says its good but is undeniably committing evil but we dont challenge it bc we believe it to be a higher ranking in authority then us which is again no different than being the serial killer prophet. At best this is a major contradictionS

The way I see it is i believe in a good spirit but the moment something good tells you to do bad bc they are good that is true deception and they don’t get to maintain their goodness no matter the ranking in authority bc I trust myself I trust that when I see evil it is evil and I dont get to commit evil and it be good.

If you can blindly believe the stoning of these people to be Gods plan then how come you dont go help him? After all God is above everything and you enacting within his laws surely that is justified? But then you would be considered deceived by satan but when you read the bible that says the same thing it comes from God.

 

[Jamex234]

Hello Jamesx234.
When scripture says God moves people to do evil, it's because he defined what evil is.
Since it's his will for killing without justification to be seen as evil, anyone who is tempted to commit murder is being moved by God toward (what God said is) evil,

...thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge...Gen.15:13-14

That makes absolutely no sense. What your describing is an entity that will always be able to maintain its status of good whilst committing any evil it wants but bc of who you think he is you are turning from what your own belief of evil is and bc he said its good pure evil will be good.

You guys really need to understand you are giving up your own discernment of good and evil bc of whom is in charge. That is the exact deception of the snake. To come to you as a light and bc it comes to you as a light and not the big bad wolf any evil it asks you to do isn’t seen as evil but its good. And nobody will call out that contradiction bc they don’t believe they are in the power seat. You are being told right is left, left is right trust me and don’t ask questions. Which is actually a psychological tactic used by narcissists to control your mind.

Im sorry but if i see evil and feel evil off of something nobody gets to come in and tell me that its actually good. Thats a form of brainwashing and mind control. Do we not have the capability to think for ourselves? If stoning the people in the bible wasn’t evil then how come you dont rise up to the challenge and stone the sinners? Arguing that this only happened bc of the old testament is totally baseless and its like saying an entity that is already above time wasn’t capable of seeing the evil that it committed until enough time passed. That makes no sense. It it wasn’t evil to stone the sinners how come like the previous person said that wasn’t ended until Jesus came. So if stoning the sinners was never evil how come we stopped doing it?

If we stop doing something obviously its for a reason and you cant just say well God stopped bc it wasn’t fun anymore. No, you all are proposing that the only good spirit out there whose supposed to have the best distinguishing knowledge of good and evil was evil tor a while then changed its ways through Jesus. But if that spirit were truly the good spirit how can it have accidentally committed evil?

 

[for_his_glory]

So basically God can commit evil and be good and it just be due to humans lack of understanding but its good. What I am getting at is this is a way to coerce people into committing evil for the greater of good but how can good ever cosign you committing evil and maintain its title of good and the only explanation be you just don’t understand:

Also you didn’t acknowledge the modern day comparison I made so I will repeat it again. If in modern day a sinner is stoned by someone who claims to be a prophet from God why does our intuition tell us an evil spirit deceived that person into thinking they were God but we don’t question the stoning scriptures at all bc of the ranking in authority and whom we believe it to be coming from.

So basically we are no different from serial killers that believe they were sent by God to kill the sinners if we believe God can tell people to commit evil and stone people and still be good. The killer believes he is being instructed by a good spirit to do evil and thus always maintains the tact that he the killer is the good one. How is this any different?

if our intuition in modern day tells us we just witnessed evil, how can the same exact happening in the bible be considered good ans based on the bible how come we dont believe today God actually sent the killers claiming tk be prophets to kill the sinners. It just doesn’t make sense and reiterating bible verses doesn’t do a thing to help. It just provides you with a way to not think about what is being done bc you blindly trust something that says its good but is undeniably committing evil but we dont challenge it bc we believe it to be a higher ranking in authority then us which is again no different than being the serial killer prophet. At best this is a major contradictionS

The way I see it is i believe in a good spirit but the moment something good tells you to do bad bc they are good that is true deception and they don’t get to maintain their goodness no matter the ranking in authority bc I trust myself I trust that when I see evil it is evil and I dont get to commit evil and it be good.

If you can blindly believe the stoning of these people to be Gods plan then how come you dont go help him? After all God is above everything and you enacting within his laws surely that is justified? But then you would be considered deceived by satan but when you read the bible that says the same thing it comes from God.

As per your question in modern days there are many false prophets that claim God told them what to do, like the false prophet Mohammed, as we see some Arab nations and some other nations that continue to stone to death and by giving what Jesus said in those scriptures I gave John 8:1-11 it is only those who have no sin that can cast the first stone. There is none of us without sin except Jesus who by all rights according to the law at that time He could have stoned that woman to death, but instead He forgave her and told her to sin no more. This is what God's mercy and grace does under a better covenant of God's grace as His grace pardons us as His mercy loves us, but it's up to us to turn away from our sin and follow in the path of God's righteousness.

You misunderstood what I was saying about evil. I will use Esau for an example as God did not hate Esau, but sore displeased with him in his deception of selling his birthright, Genesis 25. God said He also created evil and this is what fell upon Esau as we read in Malachi 1:2-5.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

The word translated "evil" is from a Hebrew word kelalah that means adversary, affliction, calamity, distress and misery. This is what God has created and puts on those who He has cursed for their rebellion against Him so they know "I AM" in all sovereignty, Deuteronomy 27:11-26.

Exodus Chapter 7-11 is a witness of the "Great I AM" and what God brought forth in His affliction, calamity, distress and misery on Pharaoh and the Egyptians.

God gave Pharaoh and the Egyptians a chance to repent and turn back to Him, like He does for everyone, but they rejected God as like Pharaoh hardened his heart against God like so many even today do this.

2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

 

[Free]

So basically God can commit evil and be good and it just be due to humans lack of understanding but its good. What I am getting at is this is a way to coerce people into committing evil for the greater of good but how can good ever cosign you committing evil and maintain its title of good and the only explanation be you just don’t understand:

Also you didn’t acknowledge the modern day comparison I made so I will repeat it again. If in modern day a sinner is stoned by someone who claims to be a prophet from God why does our intuition tell us an evil spirit deceived that person into thinking they were God but we don’t question the stoning scriptures at all bc of the ranking in authority and whom we believe it to be coming from.

So basically we are no different from serial killers that believe they were sent by God to kill the sinners if we believe God can tell people to commit evil and stone people and still be good. The killer believes he is being instructed by a good spirit to do evil and thus always maintains the tact that he the killer is the good one. How is this any different?

if our intuition in modern day tells us we just witnessed evil, how can the same exact happening in the bible be considered good ans based on the bible how come we dont believe today God actually sent the killers claiming tk be prophets to kill the sinners. It just doesn’t make sense and reiterating bible verses doesn’t do a thing to help. It just provides you with a way to not think about what is being done bc you blindly trust something that says its good but is undeniably committing evil but we dont challenge it bc we believe it to be a higher ranking in authority then us which is again no different than being the serial killer prophet. At best this is a major contradictionS

The way I see it is i believe in a good spirit but the moment something good tells you to do bad bc they are good that is true deception and they don’t get to maintain their goodness no matter the ranking in authority bc I trust myself I trust that when I see evil it is evil and I dont get to commit evil and it be good.

If you can blindly believe the stoning of these people to be Gods plan then how come you dont go help him? After all God is above everything and you enacting within his laws surely that is justified? But then you would be considered deceived by satan but when you read the bible that says the same thing it comes from God.

You are misunderstanding the difference between what God prescribed for a specific people, at a specific stage in their history, for specific reasons and what is written down for us to show how God used to deal with sin. We don’t stone people anymore because God himself put an end to that. What we need to understand from the OT law is just how seriously God takes sin and why Jesus is the only answer.

We can be absolutely certain that if someone kills a person(s) because of their perceived sin, it is not of God, no matter how much the killer says God told them to do it.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

That makes absolutely no sense. What your describing is an entity that will always be able to maintain its status of good whilst committing any evil it wants but bc of who you think he is you are turning from what your own belief of evil is and bc he said its good pure evil will be good.

You guys really need to understand you are giving up your own discernment of good and evil bc of whom is in charge. That is the exact deception of the snake. To come to you as a light and bc it comes to you as a light and not the big bad wolf any evil it asks you to do isn’t seen as evil but its good. And nobody will call out that contradiction bc they don’t believe they are in the power seat. You are being told right is left, left is right trust me and don’t ask questions. Which is actually a psychological tactic used by narcissists to control your mind.

Im sorry but if i see evil and feel evil off of something nobody gets to come in and tell me that its actually good. Thats a form of brainwashing and mind control. Do we not have the capability to think for ourselves? If stoning the people in the bible wasn’t evil then how come you dont rise up to the challenge and stone the sinners? Arguing that this only happened bc of the old testament is totally baseless and its like saying an entity that is already above time wasn’t capable of seeing the evil that it committed until enough time passed. That makes no sense. It it wasn’t evil to stone the sinners how come like the previous person said that wasn’t ended until Jesus came. So if stoning the sinners was never evil how come we stopped doing it?

If we stop doing something obviously its for a reason and you cant just say well God stopped bc it wasn’t fun anymore. No, you all are proposing that the only good spirit out there whose supposed to have the best distinguishing knowledge of good and evil was evil tor a while then changed its ways through Jesus. But if that spirit were truly the good spirit how can it have accidentally committed evil?

By thinking the serpent Moses lifted up in the wilderness symbolized evil, instead of imagined evil,

they derided him. Lk.16:14

Woe unto them that call evil good and good evil Isa.5:20

 

[Jamex234]

You are misunderstanding the difference between what God prescribed for a specific people, at a specific stage in their history, for specific reasons and what is written down for us to show how God used to deal with sin. We don’t stone people anymore because God himself put an end to that. What we need to understand from the OT law is just how seriously God takes sin and why Jesus is the only answer.

We can be absolutely certain that if someone kills a person(s) because of their perceived sin, it is not of God, no matter how much the killer says God told them to do it.

No I think I understand perfectly clear. What you are saying is in the old testament God did exactly what the killer prophets today said he did. Came to the people told them to kill the sinners and stone them to death. But when someone from 2023 claims exactly that word for word verbatim. We believe them to have been deceived by satan. Time is your biggest argument when were dealing with entities far above time. What you are implying is good had to learn to be better at being good through time.

You just said “God himself put an end to the stoning.” Why would there ever be an end to something that is good? That makes no sense. The stoning had to be determined to not be good and to actually be evil. So if it was determined to be evil then that means it was ALWAYS evil from day one and if it was always evil how could it been the plan of true good?

Another footnote. The stoning actually hasn’t ended because we have a segment of the population literally claiming to have been contacted by God to commit these heinous murders which again is exactly what had to have happened to the sinners in the bible he had to contact people to carry it out. So God can contact people in the bible to do the stoning, people of today are claiming to have been contacted by God to do the stoning of these sinners but these are two different Gods is what your trying to get me to believe and these two things are totally unrelated. The exact thing you are claiming satan is doing today is what your saying God did back then. So God gets to be God and he also gets to be satan but satan gets to only be satan. You want me to believe God can do the work of satan and be God for no other reasoning than hey hes God bc he says hes not satan. How is that not foolish?

 

[Free]

No I think I understand perfectly clear.

No offense, but it appears as though you really do not.

What you are saying is in the old testament God did exactly what the killer prophets today said he did. Came to the people told them to kill the sinners and stone them to death. But when someone from 2023 claims exactly that word for word verbatim. We believe them to have been deceived by satan. Time is your biggest argument when were dealing with entities far above time. What you are implying is good had to learn to be better at being good through time.

That is not at all what I am implying. There is a fundamental lack of understanding on your part as to the difference between the OT and the NT and how God deals with sin. There is also a fundamental lack of understanding on your part as to the nature of sin and just how serious it is. To say sin is like a cancer is an understatement, so stoning is better than letting sin persist and spread. Even despite the law, the Israelites continued to sin, to the point of severe punishment as a whole nation. The only way to finally deal with sin was through the death of God's own Son. That should tell you something. Of course, just the fact that he commanded people be stoned for certain sins ought to tell you something.

You just said “God himself put an end to the stoning.” Why would there ever be an end to something that is good? That makes no sense. The stoning had to be determined to not be good and to actually be evil. So if it was determined to be evil then that means it was ALWAYS evil from day one and if it was always evil how could it been the plan of true good?

Again, stoning for sin was for a specific people (the Israelites), for a specific period of time (until Jesus's death and resurrection), for specific reasons (to deal with sin).

Another footnote. The stoning actually hasn’t ended because we have a segment of the population literally claiming to have been contacted by God to commit these heinous murders which again is exactly what had to have happened to the sinners in the bible he had to contact people to carry it out. So God can contact people in the bible to do the stoning, people of today are claiming to have been contacted by God to do the stoning of these sinners but these are two different Gods is what your trying to get me to believe and these two things are totally unrelated. The exact thing you are claiming satan is doing today is what your saying God did back then. So God gets to be God and he also gets to be satan but satan gets to only be satan. You want me to believe God can do the work of satan and be God for no other reasoning than hey hes God bc he says hes not satan. How is that not foolish?

What people claim is irrelevant as far as the God of the Bible is concerned; he has ended stoning. If you are going to use the Bible, then use the whole Bible. Don't use the OT law to try and compare people's unbiblical claims today for what God ended with the death and resurrection of Christ.

 

[Jamex234]

Its crazy how you dont see the contradiction in your words. Or either you do and your trying really hard to act like you aren’t contradicting yourself. Not even trying to be antagonistic:

You just said stoning is better than letting sin persist and spread. So fo you, the methodology of curing sin is to allow a commandment to be broken which is bigger than just a sin. But bc the commandment that is broken is being used to cure the sin that sin cant spread and persist which is the exact thing your trying to prevent. Your going to cure sin with greater sins and thats better. But its not evil but there was a stop put to it bc of what? Bc again entities that are far above time are limited by time and were uncapable of seeing the evil done to the israelites but later saw that what they were doing was evil so Jesus put a stop to it.

My question to you is this. If you allow someone or something to tell you stoning is not evil do to the year and date whats the difference between yoh and the serial killer prophets of today? They believe they were instructed by God to commit this evil and you believe at a point in time God instructed his people to commit this evil and just bc it was a long time ago it wasnt evil and just bc we are told God is good that that judgement wasn’t evil. It does not make sense at all.

How is it that today people see what was done back then as evil but back then as good even when we still have the same skin bones and flesh as the people back then. What is the difference between recognizing that evil as good and the prophet doing evil becaue they believe it is from good. There isn’t any.

Stoning a person is better than letting sin persist but if you were to go out to stone someone right now bc you believe in what you just said now you dont agree with what you just said and that would be morally wrong. You can’t pick a side to stand on. Either be about it and go kill the sinners bc that is what you believe in or stand by what you said that anyone doing that today is wrong. Your on two sides of the coin trying to tell me I don’t understand.

 

[Jamex234]

Its crazy how you dont see the contradiction in your words. Or either you do and your trying really hard to act like you aren’t contradicting yourself. Not even trying to be antagonistic:

You just said stoning is better than letting sin persist and spread. So fo you, the methodology of curing sin is to allow a commandment to be broken which is bigger than just a sin. But bc the commandment that is broken is being used to cure the sin that sin cant spread and persist which is the exact thing your trying to prevent. Your going to cure sin with greater sins and thats better. But its not evil but there was a stop put to it bc of what? Bc again entities that are far above time are limited by time and were uncapable of seeing the evil done to the israelites but later saw that what they were doing was evil so Jesus put a stop to it.

My question to you is this. If you allow someone or something to tell you stoning is not evil do to the year and date whats the difference between yoh and the serial killer prophets of today? They believe they were instructed by God to commit this evil and you believe at a point in time God instructed his people to commit this evil and just bc it was a long time ago it wasnt evil and just bc we are told God is good that that judgement wasn’t evil. It does not make sense at all.

How is it that today people see what was done back then as evil but back then as good even when we still have the same skin bones and flesh as the people back then. What is the difference between recognizing that evil as good and the prophet doing evil becaue they believe it is from good. There isn’t any.

Stoning a person is better than letting sin persist but if you were to go out to stone someone right now bc you believe in what you just said now you dont agree with what you just said and that would be morally wrong. You can’t pick a side to stand on. Either be about it and go kill the sinners bc that is what you believe in or stand by what you said that anyone doing that today is wrong. Your on two sides of the coin trying to tell me I don’t understand.

You believe the same consequences for sin in the bible when seen today they are satans judgement but back then it was gods judgement but that means light and darkness are alike. So that would mean it is good that the prophets kill the sinners bc stoning is better than letting sin persist and spread. Time doesn’t change the fact that that was just as evil back then as you see it today.

 

[for_his_glory]

Jamex234

Once more it is very simple why stoning is not of God anymore as we look at what Jesus says in John 8:1-11 to those who by the law were ready to stone this woman accused of adultery and what Jesus said to her.

"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."

" Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?"

"Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."

Jesus did not stop the stoning per the Levitical law (Leviticus 20:1-21), but only asked for a righteous person to be the first to cast a stone. Are any of us that righteous that we can throw the first stone?

 

[Jamex234]

I completely understand your scriptural point of view but can you use critical thinking and not refer back to scripture to do that for you?

The point I am making is that in the bible there was stoning and you just have to trust that it was good. It doesn’t matter if it was stopped or ended. What matters is it was there. In modern day the people who were confronted by “God” to stone sinners blindly trusted the stoning to be good and not evil bc of who they believe is saying it.

The concept of the messiah killer is to blindly trust the entity is who they claim they are and thats why they can be coerced into carrying out the stoning. We blindly trust that bc it is written down in a book that good energy was responsible for something as evil as stoning and we dont question it bc whom we perceive the author to be the same exact way these killer messiahs dont question the “God” asking them to do evil bc they believe also that is coming from good energy.

But how can good energy and evil energy do the same thing but then it not be considered the same. Your argument that the good figure that did this is still good bc it only did it for a while. Well if i only raped children for a little bit does that make me any less evil? You will question me bc im not God but you won’t question the evil “God” does bc of who you perceive he is with no base other than what you are told to believe to be true the same way these killer prophets just believed what they were told to be true with no care for what they themselves perceive as right and wrong.

Believing good wrote that evil is exactly the same as doing the evil good asks you to do. And if satan has deceived people into thinking he is God so he can get them to commit evil. Why are we putting it above him to compromise our source of faith and truth which is the bible, and pose as God and claim him to be responsible for the things HE DID TO THE PEOPLE to use reverse psychology to attack our personal opinions on God destroying the potential relationship we couldve had with something that is genuinely good ALL THE TIME.

Whats going to happen is there are going to be people that read the bible and theyre just going to fall in line with what is written. That isn’t love for God. Lean not to your own understanding isn’t having faith its literally telling you to follow something with many contradictions worth questioning which has lead people into killing others bc they leaned not to their own understanding.

Anyone with a mind of their own that isn’t afraid to speak up and say their opinion is going to hate God bc already your asking too many questions, your calling out bs for what it is. Your not believing something can be good and do evil so that bible doesn’t make sense to you. But the other people who are just afraid of the judgements fall in line and never question them to save their own behinds from what they are told to believe and mot question. This is tyranny. By this we arent that different from the people that are deceived today by satan bc they too blindly believe without question.

 

[for_his_glory]

Let me ask you a question, why are none of us, including yourself, out there stoning those who are evil?

Rom 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
Rom 12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
Rom 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

Do we really need to interpret these above scriptures?

 

[Jamex234]

Stephen was stoned in the new testament so the new testament didn’t just come and put an end to stoning. He was stoned for denouncing those who judged him and they called out to Jesus when they did it. So again stoning hasn’t “stopped”

 

[hawkman]

You just said stoning is better than letting sin persist and spread.

https://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/does-the-bible-really-condone-stoning-people-to-death/ That is my understanding too , here is an article about stoning .

So fo you, the methodology of curing sin is to allow a commandment to be broken which is bigger than just a sin. But bc the commandment that is broken is being used to cure the sin that sin cant spread and persist which is the exact thing your trying to prevent. Your going to cure sin with greater sins and thats better.

Stoning was a judgement , no commandment was broken .

 

[Hopeful 2]

Stephen was stoned in the new testament so the new testament didn’t just come and put an end to stoning. He was stoned for denouncing those who judged him and they called out to Jesus when they did it. So again stoning hasn’t “stopped”

It has stopped being done by those who accept the NT...by Christians.
Whoever is still stoning people is not of God.

 

[Tenchi]

If a person actually is stoned for their sins then that would mean the Lord had to have contracted killers to do it. He in fact has to come to the people that are to carry out the stoning and tell them these people are sinners and abominations and “their death is upon them” for the people to even know to stone them.

If God commanded in His law that a certain sin be punished with stoning (that is, with death) His command expressed justice and His holy hatred of sin. God's Chosen People were to participate in His justice by executing those whose sin warranted such punishment, in so doing aligning themselves with God and His hatred and rejection of sin. Stoning then, was not, in effect, God contracting evil killers to carry out a dastardly act of murder. Far from it. There was nothing evil in God's just and holy law and the punishment He levied upon wickedness.

However, when we see this actual event to come into fruition in modern day our intuition always tells us it was really an evil thing that occured. For instance, take an escort in todays society, say she is contacted by a iohn who ends up killing her and when he is interviewed by detectives he says he is a messiah sent by God to bring sinners to the fate that they deserve.

This isn't at all like the situation in ancient Israel where, in obeying the law of God, the Israelites stoned a wicked person to death. The Israelites didn't go about stoning folks just as they liked, calling it the will of God when they did. In fact, capital punishment in OT Israel was actually pretty rare. There were explicit and specific laws and punishments under which the civil/religious authorities in Israel operated; they couldn't just arbitrarily decide what warranted the death penalty and what didn't (i.e. - Leviticus). How is this situation, then, like a wicked man murdering a prostitute and saying in defense of his evil act that God sent him to do it? I don't see a parallel between these two things at all. Under what divine law would the "John" have been acting? God calls his sexual immorality, sin; He calls the "John's" act of murder, sin; He calls this evil man's claim that he is the Messiah, blasphemous sin. How, then, is the "John's" sexually-immoral, murderous, and blasphemous conduct anything like the Israelite authorities carrying out the plainly prescribed law of God?

Modern, western moral sensibilities are such that the idea of stoning someone to death for, say, homosexual behavior, or for murder, or rape, is considered "extreme." This isn't an advancement in moral understanding, however. Instead, it looks to me like accommodation for what God calls abominable evil.

My "intuition," operating apart from God's authority and control, is selfish, sin-corrupted and dark. It can't be trusted very far at all (Jeremiah 17:9; Ephesians 2:1-3; Titus 3:3; Romans 1:18-32). Only when a person's life is submitted to God in love and humility are they in a place where their moral sense is what it should be, which is to say what God says it ought to be. They will hate sin with a holy hatred, as God does; they will desire divine justice, as God does; in obedience to God, they will give no quarter to what is evil in their own lives and in the public realm. But most folk today in the West are God-haters, living in constant rebellion toward Him, seeking their own sinful will and way, and this is reflected in an easiness, a softness, toward sin that recoils from the OT punishments God meted out upon wickedness.

If we never believe in real life that the person that believes they were sent by God to kill was actually in contact with the real Holy Spirit, how come we believe in the bible that the people that were abominations were to be stoned to death if the same Holy Spirit had to contact members of the church or assassins basically to carry out that stoning upon the ones who were sinners.

I don't believe a man who murders a prostitute is acting under God's direction because of what God communicates to us about such things in the New Testament. Nowhere in the NT is such a thing commanded. Instead, we are to love one another, to show mercy and grace as recipients of these things from God, to seek and save the lost. Christ's own example toward prostitutes illustrated this clearly: Luke 7:36-50; John 8:1-11; John 4:1-18. We don't need the Holy Spirit giving secret instructions to us; we have God's word communicating to us all we need to know to "live godly in Christ Jesus" (2 Timothy 3:16-17). Anything a person claims is from God that contradicts God's will revealed in the Bible is a liar.

No one was stoned in Israel by Holy Spirit-directed "assassins." Where did you get this idea from? Generally, in Israel, the Mosaic Law given to Moses by God governed all such things, not some secret "inner impulse" from the Holy Spirit.

If we argue that the old testament new testament then we are basically saying a spirit that is always to be good hadn’t realized in the new testament it committed evil. If we say light is to be without darkness and to be in darkness is to be without the presence of light how can good really commit evil and be good but evil is only evil.

See above.

 

[Tenchi]

The point I am making is that in the bible there was stoning and you just have to trust that it was good.

Insofar as the stoning was instituted by God as a just punishment upon certain sins, it was good. Why do I trust that this is so? Because I believe that the Bible is the divinely-inspired word of God, accurately revealing the nature and will of God and His truth, correctly defining what is moral and immoral, true and false, and truthfully communicating what His purpose in creating Man is. Why do I believe this about the Bible?

1.) Fulfilled prophecy.
2.) Thematic unity.
3.) Historical accuracy.
4.) Survivability.
5.) Impact upon nations and individuals.

Together, these things persuade me that the Bible is indeed the word of God, communicating to me what is true - including that the sins worthy of stoning in the OT were, in fact, worthy of such punishment.