Will America Be Burned?

[Hidden In Him]

Will America Be Burned. A Prophetic Warning?



On February 20th I received the following word from a friend who receives reliable prophetic dreams. The message simply read, "'Trump is burning America.' That was all I got in a dream last night. Let's hope this means a refining fire." My response was, "Yeah. Let's hope it means in a good way," but inside I was thinking, "but it doesn't sound like it." Then on March 19th the following vision was posted by my sister over at her forum, which I've now asked her to publish here. It suggests some very important legislation was about to be passed by the President of the United States.

https://christianforums.net/threads/the-document-vision.113228/


Let me start by saying I have always been a Trump supporter where most of his policies were concerned, and I have been completely behind things like DOGE and the dismantling of the DEI. But I believe both the dream and vision refer to the new tariff deal the Trump Administration is pushing through, and while he has been a master at "the art of the deal," this deal may backfire on him, leading to America "getting burned" if the nations retaliate against what they see as economic bullying tactics. Upon announcing the tariff deal on April 2nd, Trump referred to it as "Liberation Day," and even held up a facsimile document signed by the President himself, again somewhat reminiscent of the words, "Something significant was signed, just like the signing of the Declaration of Independence."



This thread will state the case that despite his best intentions, President Trump's tariff deal could end up coming back to bite the United States hard, and affect the entire world economy in the process. To anyone who responds, please keep in mind that this is NOT primarily a political discussion and CFN rules forbid making derogatory comments about our leaders. The discussion is regarding the tariff deal, and whether it will be a blessing or a bust for the United States of America. An economic depression is coming, as numerous dreams and visions continue to warn. The question is will this be another four years of reprieve from it, or will this be the beginning of the slide?

Blessings in Christ,
Hidden In Him

Additional threads suggesting that economic hard times may indeed be looming on the horizon now include the following titles:
- Vision About The Credit Cards
- The Golden Chalice
- Field of Dreams Or Nightmares?

All three can be found in this forum here:

End-Time Visions

christianforums.net

 

[Hidden In Him]

Here are the reasons it is troubling me, and all opinions are welcome. I certainly hope things work out for the better, not the worse. But there are reasons why it may not, and keep in mind too that I'm fully aware CNN will take the dimmest view possible. Some parts of the articles below are typical hit piece stuff. But the sections I will quote bear genuine reflection IMO.

Trump’s 25% tariff on imported cars kicked in on Thursday as part of the president’s bid to revive American manufacturing jobs. The administration plans to slap tariffs on car parts by May 3. Bank of America estimates that a 25% tariff on all imported auto parts would increase the cost of US assembled vehicles by about $26 billion — or around $3,285 per vehicle on average. Even cars assembled at US factories will likely get more expensive because they use many foreign parts. Goldman Sachs estimates the cost of foreign-made cars will increase by between $5,000 and $15,000 per vehicle due to tariffs. “In our view, the price increases will drive demand destruction, particularly as affordability has been a challenge for all buyers,” Bank of America analysts wrote in a note to clients Wednesday. If automakers pass through the entire 25% tariff to consumers, US auto sales could tumble by about 3.2 million vehicles, or roughly 20% of the current annual sales trend, Bank of America estimates.
The analysts found that even if automakers aim to just break even by passing along only 15% of the tariff cost to consumers, auto sales would still drop by about 2.5 million.
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/03/business/car-prices-tariffs-trump/index.html

Staying on the sidelines won’t shield car owners from rising prices. Imported auto parts will be affected by tariffs, experts say. Insurance premiums will also rise as repairs become more costly, they said. “You’re going to run into all of these (expenses) that are directly impacted by the cost of tariffs on vehicles new and used,” Wheaton said. “Buckle your seat belts.” Some Americans have rushed to buy cars ahead of potential price hikes tied to Trump's tariffs. Experts share advice on whether buying now is the right move.
www.usatoday.com

Bank of America estimates that automakers can reduce their tariff costs by shifting the assembly of around 1 million vehicles to existing US plants. But moving a factory isn’t easy, simple or quick. It can take considerable time to retool existing factories. And building new factories can take years and cost billions of dollars... “And nobody is really talking about where the labor is going to come from,” Fields said. Fields recalled how even during the sluggish economic recovery from the Great Recession, Ford faced challenges hiring and retaining workers. “We had a tough time getting qualified people who were willing to do this hard, repetitive work on a factory floor. And we saw a lot of attrition from people who said, ‘Wow, this is really hard,’” Fields said. Even if automakers find the workers, they’d need to pay them much more than in Mexico and provide more generous benefits. Fields said that would add to the cost of the vehicle – a cost that manufacturers would likely pass along at least in part to consumers. Bank of America said it would be “essentially impossible” to reshore most auto parts due to the cost of labor in the United States and availability of workers.
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/03/business/car-prices-tariffs-trump/index.html

The markets are also badly spooked, including the Dow Jones. Markets around the world are tanking right now as fear and uncertainty over the tariffs and trade wars rattle investors. The S&P 500 just recorded its worst month since 2022, shedding 5.8 percent in March, and the Dow plunged 2,200 points yesterday and 1.500 the day before.

Here is my biggest fear: Suppose he goes through all the trouble of rebuilding US manufacturing and costs US investors billions of dollars and worse yet the US populace a massive amount of money in both domestic and foreign car prices AND used car repairs, and THEN once it's rebuilt the economy has suffered so much downfall that no one can afford to BUY new cars anymore? Then what, we will be stuck paying a higher amount of money just to repair the old cars we have because that's all most people can afford to do? I personally think this move may be well-intentioned, but it may not pan out in reality the way they intend it to.

As of yesterday, instead of knuckling under, China appears to now be engaging the United States in a full on tariff WAR. Most of what they buy from the US are food commodities, which I'm guessing the Trump Administration assumes the Chinese simply cannot do without. But what if they play hardball and go into greater alliance with Ukraine and/ or the Russians for food commodities, while if necessary telling their populace to simply tighten their belts, and that it's all Trump's fault. That makes them all hate us even more, and become even more resolute.

News of the day from yesterday's headlines:

WASHINGTON, April 4 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump on Friday said China "played it wrong" after Beijing retaliated against new U.S. tariffs, unveiling countermeasures that included additional duties of 34% on U.S. goods. "China played it wrong, they panicked - the one thing they cannot afford to do!," Trump wrote in all caps in post on his social media platform.
https://www.reuters.com/world/trump...ng-retaliation-against-us-tariffs-2025-04-04/

Ok, that Trump would say "China played it wrong," suggests he wasn't planning on them doing what they did, and he interpreted it as "panicking." What if it wasn't panicking but a rather ticked off deliberate move because they are not interested in backing down? That appears to be the case, and they may not be bluffing.

China’s Ministry of Commerce urged the U.S. to “immediately cancel” its unilateral tariff measures and vowed to take “resolute counter-measures” to safeguard its own rights and interests, after U.S. President Donald Trump announced what analysts described as the steepest tariff hikes in a century. The Chinese official described the Trump administration’s decision to impose reciprocal tariffs as a “typical unilateral bullying practice,” adding that many countries have expressed “strong dissatisfaction and clear opposition.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/03/chi...against-sweeping-us-tariffs-donald-trump.html

Most countries don't exactly know what to do yet, but Canada has also followed suit, and the general response so far has simply been to start raising prices, which will further undermine their own economies and affect the global economy.

Various countries are still deciding how to respond (or not), and companies have begun adjusting to the new reality — largely by raising prices. Some countries responded with new tariffs of their own: Canada announced new duties on certain vehicles imported from the US, and China announced that it will impose countermeasures against the US starting April 10, including a 34% tariff on US goods.
https://www.reuters.com/world/china-impose-tariffs-34-all-us-goods-april-10-2025-04-04/

It is clearly not just some ordinary legislation, as the Document Vision would suggest.

"This is the single biggest trade action of our lifetime," Kelly Ann Shaw, a trade lawyer and former White House trade adviser during Trump's first term, told Reuters. Shaw added that while she expected the tariffs to evolve through negotiations, the new policy is "a pretty seismic and significant shift in the way that we trade with every country on earth."
https://www.reuters.com/world/china-impose-tariffs-34-all-us-goods-april-10-2025-04-04/

It could still work, but it is a MAJOR gamble. What if the nations don't back down, and they all start renegotiating with one another to stick it to us? Like a lot of the other moves Trump is making, this is playing hardball in the extreme, but he is playing with the entire world economy right now, and it's pretty darned amazing.

 

[Hidden In Him]

It could still work, but this is a MAJOR gamble. What if the nations don't back down, and they all start renegotiating with one another to stick it to us?

Found this last night, which seems to echo my own fears about what could potentially happen. Hopefully this does not turn out to be so:

Trump’s newest tariffs have already sparked widespread outrage among America’s trading partners. The head of the European Union has said that the body has a “strong plan to retaliate” against Trump’s reciprocal tariffs, and multiple individual European countries are considering their own additional retaliatory policies. France has floated the idea of expanding the trade war beyond physical goods by targeting U.S. tech companies. China vowed to take countermeasures against what it described as “self-defeating bullying.” Brazil’s president is considering retaliating, and the country’s National Congress, which includes many vocal right-wing supporters of Trump, recently approved legislation to empower him to do so.

If that pattern holds, Trump’s tariffs are likely to backfire. The result will be a one-way ratcheting up of tariffs across the globe, creating a trade wall between the U.S. and the rest of the world and indefinitely raising the cost of all imports.

Trump’s Tariffs Are Designed to Backfire

Instead of leading to reduced trade barriers, the new global tariff plan is all but guaranteed to raise them.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[jasonc]

Liberal paper. The fact is that the international corps wants cheap labor to sell their poor products at overpriced.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Liberal paper. The fact is that the international corps wants cheap labor to sell their poor products at overpriced.

Of course they do, Jason. That goes entirely without saying. But it doesn't address the question at hand. Your prediction is what, that they will back their tariffs down or use retaliatory measures and engage in a tariff war in response?

Gonna go ahead and post a link to one of the other related threads below, with my responses to it:

Thread 'Vision About The Credit Cards. Part 2 of 2'

Apr 2, 2025

Vision About The Wallet

This morning, after coming back from the gym, I was sitting out back spending time with the Lord when I saw a vision. In this vision, I saw a man holding a wallet. He opened the wallet, and all his credit cards fell out to the ground. Then I heard the Lord say, "When the cards fall, my people will call to me and will again put their trust in me, and I will help them". Vision Ended

Angelina 3/04/2025

• Angelina
• Replies: 3
• Forum: End-Time Visions

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[jasonc]

Of course they do, Jason. That goes entirely without saying. But it doesn't address the question at hand. Your prediction is what, that they will back their tariffs down or use retaliatory measures and engage in a tariff war in response?

We funded the nation on tariffs before the IRS. People must decide on a cheap bike from Walmart that's junk, or a better made product that costs more. I don't think that a tariff is a cure all. I'm gonna wait and see on this.

 

[jasonc]

My 401k and 457k took a small hit but it will recover. Money in those are only losses if you withdraw, buy low and upon the increase they bounce way up. This did happen oddly in Biden's last year or earlier.

 

[Hidden In Him]

We funded the nation on tariffs before the IRS. People must decide on a cheap bike from Walmart that's junk, or a better made product that costs more.

I'm not sure most would pay more for higher quality now, let alone if things get considerably worse.

My 401k and 457k took a small hit but it will recover. Money in those are only losses if you withdraw, buy low and upon the increase they bounce way up. This did happen oddly in Biden's last year or earlier.

I think you are operating under the same impressions the Trump Administration is; that things will continue in the same vain as they have in the past and it will will lead to an eventual rebound. There are reasons to think this may be different.

 

[JLB]

The discussion is regarding the tariff deal, and whether it will be a blessing or a bust for the United States of America.

President Trump already said that it will involve some short term pain.

But it will result in long term gain.

Balancing the economic budget between nations who have used American as their personal piggy bank because they bribed our leaders (both Republican and Democrat) to allow the economic “raping” of our nation is going to be difficult but must be done if America hopes to survive as a nation, and fulfill her God ordained destiny.

 

[Hidden In Him]

President Trump already said that it will involve some short term pain.

But it will result in long term gain.

Balancing the economic budget between nations who have used American as their personal piggy bank because they bribed our leaders (both Republican and Democrat) to allow the economic “raping” of our nation is going to be difficult but must be done if America hopes to survive as a nation, and fulfill her God ordained destiny.

That's the plan, JLB, but it's currently only how it will work out in theory. I was telling someone elsewhere that 40 or even 20 years ago I would have been all for this. The question is will the cost be too high for doing it now, and will the attempt to rebuild manufacturing actually result in rebuilding American manufacturing. You have to remember that if the Liberals take over in another four years because the American people didn't enjoy the short term pain, they could revert everything right back to the way things were, and then the whole thing becomes a wash.

I'm just sitting here wondering if something this drastic can work. All things are possible, but there are so many variables that could screw it up...

 

[jasonc]

I'm not sure most would pay more for higher quality now, let alone if things get considerably worse.


I think you are operating under the same impressions the Trump Administration is; that things will continue in the same vain as they have in the past, and because they will it will lead to an eventual rebound. There are reasons to think this may be different.

If you need a car to run and you know it won't work with cheap parts, simply lose money on that warranty?

Look I fix my own stuff. I hunt for what works. If I get burned, I avoid the part. I personally have seen parts I sell be worse then the part they were trying to replace.

No, it's life. Under Trump my 401 dropped to its lowest. It was higher with Obama. It didn't rebound much until the Biden admin. It leveled off at 30k then it doubled, with the highest being 40k .

What good is high stocks for my grandkids when they will not afford a house to rent, home to pay a mortgage or those useless trucks that now cost a mortgage that really can't hall much more then the older trucks? Oh they gave gadgets but Nissan can't sell their 60000 Titan fully loaded. Ford and Chevy have same problem. The bubble for cars is gonna happen without the tariffs. Nissan and Mitsubishi folded into Honda.

How would trump lower that cost? A tariff won't necessarily but it will bring better paying jobs.

My Tacoma and Nissan are 100 made in America. Chevy, Dodge or Ford aren't. A healthy 401 k is great if you have one, but many don't I get the issue with the retirement but we'll see Germany about buying gas from Russia while sending troops to the Ukraine .

Canada has no car dealers that can compete with our products. They need us more then we need them.

 

[jasonc]

if you need a car to run and you know it won't work with cheap parts .simply loose money on that warranty ?

look I fix my own stuff .I hunt for what works if I get burned ,I avoid the part .I personally have seen parts I sell be worse then the part they were trying to replace .

no,it's life ,under Trump my 401 dropped to its lowest .it was higher with Obama .it didn't rebound much until the Biden admin . it leveled off at 30k then it doubled .with the highest being 40k .

what Good is high stocks for my grandkids when they will not afford a house to rent ,home to pay a mortgage or those useless trucks that now cost a mortgage that really can't hall much more then the older trucks?

oh they gave gadgets but Nissan can't sell their 60000 Titan fully loaded .

Ford and Chevy have same problem .


the bubble for cars is gonna happen without the tariffs .Nissan and Mitsubishi folded into Honda .

how would trump lower that cost ? a tariff wont necessarily but it will bring better paying jobs .

my Tacoma and Nissan are 100 made in America .
Chevy ,Dodge or Ford aren't .not many vin j do I see .
the job market is bad I was there and I hear . a healthy 401 k is great if you have one . but many don't . I get the issue with the retirement but we'll see Germany about buying gas from Russia while sending troops to the Ukraine .

Canada has no car dealers that can compete with our products .they need us more then we need them .

Years ago my Nissan would eat after market water pumps. I finally decided to pay the price and that water pump has over 100000 miles on it.

 

[Hidden In Him]

How would trump lower that cost? A tariff won't necessarily but it will bring better paying jobs.

This is the big question, and will the jobs it brings when the time comes anywhere near offset the losses that were accrued. Politicians can sometimes get so caught up in an ideology that they fail to see when a new set of circumstances have now made it unfeasible. If they push ahead anyway it can result in a disaster.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Years ago my Nissan would eat after market water pumps. I finally decided to pay the price and that water pump has over 100000 miles on it.

Again Jason, what if aftermarket is the only thing many can still afford just to get running again? As it is now, an increasing number of people are struggling just to make ends meet. Almost 40% of American adults now, up from 34.4% in 2022 and 26.7% in 2021. Those statistics are MOVING. If things accelerate all the more because of a global tariff war going on with the United States, those numbers could potentially be 50% of adults struggling just to make ends meet in less than two years.

That means HALF the populace won't have the money to choose quality if they want to. They take whatever route available to fix things as cheaply as possible. And if credit starts blowing away because the banks are wising up and stop lending, that will all the more pin people down to affording only the bare minimum.

 

[jasonc]

This is the big question, and will the jobs it brings when the time comes anywhere near offset the losses that were insured. Politicians can sometimes get so caught up in an ideology that they fail to see when a new set of circumstances have now made it unfeasible. If they push ahead anyway it can result in a disaster.

And things remaining the same will work?

What job will a college grad get? What trade will exist ?

Yes as I said a tariff isn't a cure all but shoot I get texts to go back to the airport to work because they can't find anyone worth a darn. A tech position might open up and they want me to apply.

A lot I don't know. I will show up. Learn and be reliable.

My current job has a similar problem it it pays more ! we can't find reliable people who will show up and handle the nature of that job. I was rehired because I didn't need training.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Yes as I said a tariff isn't a cure all but shoot I get texts to go back to the airport to work because they can't find anyone worth a darn. A tech position might open up and they want me to apply.

A lot I don't know. I will show up. Learn and be reliable.

My current job has a similar problem it it pays more ! we can't find reliable people who will show up and handle the nature of that job. I was rehired because I didn't need training.

This is another problem I mentioned in the opening posts. Suppose we rebuild manufacturing on a large scale. Are we going to have a work force that can actually run the factories and will be willing to?

 

[jasonc]

This is another problem I mentioned in the opening posts. Suppose we rebuild manufacturing on a large scale. Are we going to have a work force that can actually run the factories and will be willing to?

So we ignore the future that can't afford homes and buys used cars and rents and or stays with family then preach that big govt is bad? while they collect tanf?

Kicking the can down the road won't stop the pain but only make it worse.

Of course It will take time.

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That is already in progress probably close to open. People will travel if need be to work aviation. It's not a job for everyone.

 

[hawkman]

You have to remember that if the Liberals take over in another four years because the American people didn't enjoy the short term pain, they could revert everything right back to the way things were, and then the whole thing becomes a wash.

What ever remnant of the party of the Liberals is left it will be of a very socialist bent .

 

[Hidden In Him]

What ever remnant of the party of the Liberals is left it will be of a very socialist bent .

This is where I am at least very much in favor of the Trump mindset. It was the globalists who shipped off American industry and IMO deliberately dismantled the US economy many years ago. They did the same thing to Ukraine, and ran what was once a very prosperous country into the ground. So I can in NO way side with that bunch. But waiting this long to correct 40-50 years of damage... and I suppose he may think he has to do it all in four years now because there is no certainty about what will be coming after him...

But wow... incredibly high stakes game. And the unknowns are the problem. Like I was saying at another forum, Trump was knocking it out of the park economically, and then Covid-19 hit. If unforeseen circumstances roll in again that are not part of the plan, we will be standing there with our... we will be totally unprepared, LoL.

 

[JLB]

This is where I am at least very much in favor of the Trump mindset. It was the globalists who shipped off American industry and IMO deliberately dismantled the US economy many years ago. They did the same thing to Ukraine, and ran what was once a very prosperous country into the ground. So I can in NO way side with that bunch. But waiting this long to correct 40-50 years of damage... and I suppose he may think he has to do it all in four years now because there is no certainty about what will be coming after him...

But wow... incredibly high stakes game. And the unknowns are the problem. Like I was saying at another forum, Trump was knocking it out of the park economically, and then Covid-19 hit. If unforeseen circumstances roll in again that are not part of the plan, we will be standing there with our... we will be totally unprepared, LoL.

At least President Trump has much more wisdom and a much stronger administration than the first time around.