Will Non-Roman Catholics Enter the Kingdom of God?

[Solo]

Will Others Enter the Kingdom of God Other Than Roman Catholics?

Are those that are going to enter the Kingdom of God, members of any church, no church, or just a particular church denomination?

 

[thessalonian]

Sorry, you might want to add one more. Others who were not known on earth as Catholics may well enter heaven but all who are in heaven will be Catholic in their thinking. :-D Then I can vote.

 

[Nocturnal_Principal_X]

"Yes. All who are Born Again, Born of God will Enter the Kingdom of God, no matter what church they attend."

Based on what I have read from Scripture, all it takes for one to be saved is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. In order to have that one must believe that Jesus Christ died for their sins; is both fully man and fully God, and He rose on the third day.

 

[thessalonian]

"Yes. All who are Born Again, Born of God will Enter the Kingdom of God, no matter what church they attend."

Based on what I have read from Scripture, all it takes for one to be saved is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. In order to have that one must believe that Jesus Christ died for their sins; is both fully man and fully God, and He rose on the third day.

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So the Bible contains everything neccessary for salvation but the vast majority of it isn't neccessary for salvation? :crazyeyes:

 

[francisdesales]

Based on what I have read from Scripture, all it takes for one to be saved is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. In order to have that one must believe that Jesus Christ died for their sins; is both fully man and fully God, and He rose on the third day.

Several issues here that I would like you to clarify, if you would be so kind.

First, what do you mean by "saved"? Is this being saved from sin and slavery, a la Baptism, or do you mean eternal heaven?

Second, while I agree that a personal relationship is very important, ney, vital, to entering the Kingdom, you don't describe one in your following sentences. What sort of "personal relationship" does one have with another when they "merely" believe that the other did something for you?

This relationship is akin to me claiming to have a "close personal relationship" with another whom I believe is a policeman who shot someone trying to break into my house. In addition, I believe that this police officer is a white man of 35 years old and married... This sort of relationship with Christ will not enable us to enter the Kingdom. For a quick idea of what a relationship with Jesus consists of, read Matthew 25:31-45...

No, friend, a loving relationship with Jesus Christ requires more than knowing a few tidbits of information ABOUT Him. Knowledge of Christ MUST be experiential - primarily through Liturgical Worship and Prayer.

Regards

 

[stray bullet]

Will Others Enter the Kingdom of God Other Than Roman Catholics?

Are those that are going to enter the Kingdom of God, members of any church, no church, or just a particular church denomination?

Tell me- what do you believe is needed for salvation?

 

[Solo]

Will Others Enter the Kingdom of God Other Than Roman Catholics?

Are those that are going to enter the Kingdom of God, members of any church, no church, or just a particular church denomination?

Tell me- what do you believe is needed for salvation?

I am curious as to others thoughts on who will Enter the Kingdom of God, and whether those of the Roman Catholic persuasion believe that they are the only ones that will gain access to the Kingdom of God. If Roman Catholics believe that only those that participate in the sacraments of the Roman Catholic Church will enter the Kingdom of God, it would lead into an interesting debate, I'm sure.
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[thessalonian]

You will not likely find a Roman Catholic saying that. It's not Church teaching. Some trads might. No Catholic who is able to debate you, i.e. knows his Catechism, knows his theology will say that.

By the way, this is not the forum for Catholic/Protestant debate. Keep it in an inquiring mode. Thanks.

I am sure my Catholic collegues on this forum will agree that what is neccessary for salvation is to respond to the grace that God gives you. That each man recieves light and some are drawn to it and some turn away. We cannot judge the light that each individual has been given and leave that up to God.

 

[ZeroTX]

The Catholic Church does not presume to know the mind of God, nor the limit or quantity of His mercy and love....

Catholics don't have the absolutes that many Evangelicals believe that we do. Where a Baptist might say someone is going to hell, the Catholic Church would say that we do not know. We don't have assurance, we can only follow Christ, the Church, and pray for God's mercy on us sinners.

God bless,

Michael

 

[Solo]

11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 1 John 5:11-12

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: John 1:12

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:24

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 2 Corinthians 5:17


An exerpt from an article on Assurance of Salvation at http://www.bible.org retrieved from http://www.bible.org/page.asp?page_id=1415 follows:

Reasons Why People Lack Assurance

• (1) People often lack assurance because they cannot remember or point to a specific time when they received Christ. Some doubt or wonder if they were ever really saved. There is a specific point in time when salvation occursâ€â€the point when regeneration takes place. The issue for people is to know if they now really trust in the person and work of Christ.
  
  (2) People often lack assurance because they question the procedure they went through when they accepted Christ. Many evangelists and preachers emphasize the need for some form of public confession of faith like going forward at the end of a service or raising your hand. If people receive Christ privately, they may wonder if they should have made a public confession or prayed a different prayer.
  
  (3) People often lack assurance because of struggles they have with certain sins. They wonder if a true believer would have these kinds of problems. The real problem is ignorance of man’s sinful nature, the spiritual warfare we are in, God’s means of deliverance, and the need to grow and mature in Christ.
  
  (4) The primary reason behind a lack of assurance is doctrinal misunderstanding and the consequent lack of faith in the finished work of Christ. This means a failure to understand the Word and its teaching regarding mankind, his sin and inability to work for or maintain his salvation, God’s perfect holiness, and the finished nature and sufficiency of the work of Christ.
  
  (5) Finally, people often lack assurance because they have erroneously been taught that they should look to themselves and their works as the primary proof of their salvation. This is a major issue today. Robert Lightner writes:[list:aeb3e]
  Those who think the sinner must make Christ Lord of his life, or at least promise to do so, before he can be saved make assurance rest on the evidence of a surrendered walk. MacArthur cites this as the only way a believer can be assured of his or her salvation. ‘Genuine assurance comes from seeing the Holy Spirit’s transforming work in one’s life, not from clinging to the memory of some experience.’

[/list:u:aeb3e]So what is the proper basis for assurance? Should we look to some experience or our works?

 

[thessalonian]

People doubt their assurance because it is unbiblical and illogical. That is the root of it Solo. 8-)

Except for you who think you are infallible, (yes he in fact does, I'm not ridculing or jabbing here), most protestants don't think they have every interpretation of scripture correct. Now let's apply some logic. If one is only 95% of his scriptural exegesis that says that he is 100% assured of his salvation, is he in reality 100% assured. NOPE. Can't be. The math just does not work out.

 

[thessalonian]

Solo,

Further off topic posts will be edited. The topic is not assurance of salvation.

 

[John the Baptist]

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Take it somewhere else John.

 

[John the Baptist]

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Take it somewhere else John.

 

[John the Baptist]

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Take it somewhere else John.