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Will the real Jesus please stand up

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thessalonian

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It seems like most of you non-catholics out there have your own version of the truth that contradicts everyone elses. Who Jesus was/is, what he taught, the nature of God. Most of these "truths" about Jesus are since the reformation. Here is what I have to say to them:

There will be those who will say to you,
‘Look, there he is,’ or ‘Look, here he is.’
Do not go off, do not run in pursuit.


Blessings
 
Thessalonian said:
Most of these "truths" about Jesus are since the reformation. s
Would you be so kind as to show me where I am off on the doctrine of Christ since that is what it sounds like you are saying?

Thank you.
 
AVBunyan said:
Thessalonian said:
Most of these "truths" about Jesus are since the reformation. s
Would you be so kind as to show me where I am off on the doctrine of Christ since that is what it sounds like you are saying?

Thank you.

You miss the point. I don't know of anyone who would say, "oh well, I'm off on xy and z but follow my Jesus anyway". Everyone, including myself, sincerely thinks their explanation of Jesus was/is is biblical. This thread is not about where you are "wrong" or showing that you are. There are plenty of threads for that. This thread is about the gates of hell not prevailing. If the truth, which is what sets us free, is subject to the minds of men, who don't even know where they are in error, deciding what the Bible says and dividing then there is no truth. Jesus left a Church as the "pillar and support of the truth" of which he says "the gates of hell shall not prevail".

Blessings
 
I would say the Fundamentalist have left out two important ingredients in their philosophy. The first one is Fun. The joy of the Lord should prevail and the second one is mental. Both words are in Fundamental and are important. The mental is to think and not attack and just repeat dogma.
 
Just a quick hit and run... shame on me.

There will always be different views of Jesus. That is a fact. Now, ponder this.

Genesis 11:4-8 And they said, Come, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men built. And the LORD said, Behold, the people are one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Come, let us go down, and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. So the LORD scattered them abroad from there upon the face of all the earth: and they left off building the city.

Apply the concept... and the purpose.
 
Thessalonian said:
Jesus left a Church as the "pillar and support of the truth" of which he says "the gates of hell shall not prevail".

Do you care to tell me what "Church" this is?
 
wavy said:
Thessalonian said:
Jesus left a Church as the "pillar and support of the truth" of which he says "the gates of hell shall not prevail".

Do you care to tell me what "Church" this is?

If I told you you would not likely believe me. So what I will tell you to do is to go back 500 years and see which Churches were here. Then go back 1000 years, then 1500, and then read the writings of those who led the Church in the first 4 centuries. They are available at http://www.newadvent.org\fathers.
 
StoveBolts said:
Just a quick hit and run... shame on me.

There will always be different views of Jesus. That is a fact. Now, ponder this.

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Sounds nice in theory and I am sure this sooths your mind so that you are comfortable where you are at. It is even true, that there are rebels who will reject the truth. Sheep among the wolves, tares among the wheat. But when you look at history and see that one event caused 99+ percent of the division in Christianity, your theory doesn't hold to well. When Jesus says "Those who worship God must worship in spirit and in truth" and "you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free" your theory makes truth really unknowable. It makes the pure water of Christ's teachings a mixture of toilet water and teaching. Tell me, how much toilet water would you like added with the water in your water cooler? How much toilet water do you think God wants with his truth?
 
Thessalonian said:
If I told you you would not likely believe me. So what I will tell you to do is to go back 500 years and see which Churches were here. Then go back 1000 years, then 1500, and then read the writings of those who led the Church in the first 4 centuries. They are available at http://www.newadvent.org\fathers.

"Those who led the 'Church' in the first four centuries" testify that the first followers of Messiah were (seemingly) Jews, called "followers of the Way" and "Nazarenes". Paul was one of these (Acts 24:5).
 
Might I recommend for you some tapes by Rosalind Moss. Look her up at http://www.catholic.com. She used to be an evangelical Christian but it seemed odd to her that there wasn't a "jewishness" about evangelical or fundamentalist Christianity. Very odd considering the background of the Apostles and Jesus.
 
Thessalonian said:
Might I recommend for you some tapes by Rosalind Moss. Look her up at http://www.catholic.com. She used to be an evangelical Christian but it seemed odd to her that there wasn't a "jewishness" about evangelical or fundamentalist Christianity. Very odd considering the background of the Apostles and Jesus.

Do you mean it's odd that she thinks that way or are you agreeing with her? Because considering backrounds, it is so abundantly clear the Messiah was a Jew who taught Jewish princples and so were the apostles.
 
wavy said:
Thessalonian said:
Might I recommend for you some tapes by Rosalind Moss. Look her up at http://www.catholic.com. She used to be an evangelical Christian but it seemed odd to her that there wasn't a "jewishness" about evangelical or fundamentalist Christianity. Very odd considering the background of the Apostles and Jesus.

Do you mean it's odd that she thinks that way or are you agreeing with her? Because considering backrounds, it is so abundantly clear the Messiah was a Jew who taught Jewish princples and so were the apostles.

I agree with her.
 
Thessalonian said:
It seems like most of you non-catholics out there have your own version of the truth that contradicts everyone elses. Who Jesus was/is, what he taught, the nature of God. Most of these "truths" about Jesus are since the reformation. Here is what I have to say to them:

There will be those who will say to you,
‘Look, there he is,’ or ‘Look, here he is.’
Do not go off, do not run in pursuit.


Blessings
The full text of the quote comes from Matthew 24, and describes exactly how Jesus will return. Those false Christs are here and will draw many to themselves prior to the return of Jesus. Jesus is revealed in the Word of God, and can only be seen by those that have been born again. Those that just attend a church without being born again can not see the Kingdom of God of which Jesus is King.

Many Roman Catholics are not born again as they have been taught that being baptized as an infant brings one into the Church of God, but Jesus said that unless one is born of the flesh and Spirit of God, one cannot see or enter the kingdom of God. From infant baptism many never reach a point where they repent of their sinful flesh and turn towards God for salvation by believing the Word of God, but instead they obey man's traditions and commands as put forth from the Roman Catholic Church.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matthew 24:23-27



Here is an article on Roman Catholic's and whether one can be saved as a Roman Catholic.

Is Catholicism a false religion? Are Catholics saved?

Question: "Is Catholicism a false religion? Are Catholics saved?"


Answer: In comparing Roman Catholicism with the Word of God, there are many differences and contradictions. The Roman Catholic church teaches many doctrines that are in disagreement with what the Bible says. These include worship of saints or Mary, prayer to saints or Mary, the pope / papacy, justification by faith plus works, infant baptism, transubstantiation, and purgatory. While Catholics claim Scriptural support for these concepts, none of these teachings have any foundation in the clear teaching of Scripture. In fact, they all clearly contradict what the Bible declares. The most crucial of these is the Roman Catholic belief that faith in Christ alone is not enough to save a person. The official position of the Roman Catholic Church is that a person must believe in Jesus Christ AND be baptized AND receive Catholic communion AND obey the decrees of the Roman Catholic Church AND etc., etc., etc. Catholic divergence from the Bible on this most crucial of issues means that yes, Catholicism is a false religion. If a person believes what the Catholic Church officially teaches, he/she will not be saved.

At the same time, there are believers who attend Roman Catholic Churches. There are many Roman Catholics who have genuinely placed their faith in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. Catholic Christians remain in the Catholic church out of ignorance of what the Catholic church truly stands for, out of family tradition, or out of a desire to reach Catholics for Christ. However, these Catholic Christians are believers despite what the Catholic Church teaches, not because of what it teaches. To varying degrees, the Catholic church teaches the Bible and points people to Jesus Christ as the Savior. As a result, people are sometimes saved in Catholic churches (Isaiah 55:11). At the same time, the Catholic church also leads many people away from a genuine faith relationship with Christ. The Roman Catholic Church is not the church that Jesus Christ established. It is not a church that is based on the teachings of the Apostles.

Retrieved from http://www.gotquestions.org/catholicism.html
 
Thessalonian said:
StoveBolts said:
Just a quick hit and run... shame on me.

There will always be different views of Jesus. That is a fact. Now, ponder this.

.

Sounds nice in theory and I am sure this sooths your mind so that you are comfortable where you are at. It is even true, that there are rebels who will reject the truth. Sheep among the wolves, tares among the wheat. But when you look at history and see that one event caused 99+ percent of the division in Christianity, your theory doesn't hold to well. When Jesus says "Those who worship God must worship in spirit and in truth" and "you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free" your theory makes truth really unknowable. It makes the pure water of Christ's teachings a mixture of toilet water and teaching. Tell me, how much toilet water would you like added with the water in your water cooler? How much toilet water do you think God wants with his truth?

Toilet water? Theory? Comfortable? And you infer all this on an agreement that there will never be a oneness with Christ here on earth? :o
 
soma said:
I would say the Fundamentalist have left out two important ingredients in their philosophy. The first one is Fun. The joy of the Lord should prevail and the second one is mental. Both words are in Fundamental and are important. The mental is to think and not attack and just repeat dogma.

Quick questionâ€â€Define fundamentalism. There are in fact two definitions and I am just curious which definition you are referring to.
 
Isa 9:6, For a child is born to us,
a son is given to us.
The government will rest on his shoulders.
And he will be called:
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Isa 9:7, His government and its peace
will never end.
He will rule with fairness and justice from the throne of his ancestor David
for all eternity.
The passionate commitment of the LORD of Heaven’s Armies
will make this happen!
 
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