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Will there be billions "left behind"â€â€not saved?

shad

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Will there be billions "left behind"â€â€not saved? The book Left Behind explains that a rapture of "saved" ones occurs before the "Great Tribulation." Then those Christians who remain get a second chance to be "saved" during the "Great Tribulation." However, the tragedy is that most people are not "saved" and consequently are lost. "Lost," is a soft euphemism that means going to hell-fire. That is the implied fate of those "left behind." All Muslims, Hindus and the thousands of other religions not "saved" will be lost to God forever. That is cruel theology.

"Left Behind" portrays God as locked in combat with the devil and his personal Antichrist, trying to save souls. God succeeds in getting some saved in the "Pretribulation" and others in the "Great Tribulation." Sadly, however, God loses out to the devil, and most unsaved people are "left behind." They teach this despite of the fact that God "will have all men to be saved" (1 Tim. 2:4). God's purpose cannot fail. God has promised to "pour out his Spirit upon all flesh" (Acts 2:17). Jesus returns to receive his faithful followers to glory, but also to begin "the times of restitution of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began" (Acts 3:21). Be assured that no one will be "left behind" in God's Plan.

The book "Left Behind" has experienced phenomenal acceptance in the Evangelical world because it encapsulates the thinking of most Evangelicals concerning the end times. That is very much the way they understand prophecy. However, this concept raises some serious doubts upon its legitimacy in treating the Word of God.

Two Serious Flaws

Two serious flaws affect their premise of prophetic interpretation. The first is the idea of a literal "man of sin" and the second is that it takes away seven years from Daniel 9:24 which defines 490 years to the Messiah and confirmed favor to Israel. Then it also steals seven years away from Daniel 8:14 of twenty-three hundred years and leaves both prophesies short seven years. It is like trying to take seven years of history and transplanting it somewhere else. Plainly, this violates Biblical exegesis.

A Literal Man of Sin

Why have the Evangelicals discarded the teachings of nearly all Protestant reformers who affirmed Papacy to be the Antichrist? Luther was reticent to attack the mother church until he concluded from his studies about the "little horn," the "man of sin," and the leopard-like "beast" that these prophecies apply to the Roman Catholic Church. Once he became convinced that the Papacy was Antichrist, he boldly set out to reform the mother church.

One thing all Protestant reformers had in common was the belief that Papacy was the Antichrist. The Roman Church did not like being branded the Antichrist.

"In 1590, Ribera published a commentary on the Revelation as a counter-interpretation to the prevailing view among Protestants that identified the Papacy as the Antichrist. Ribera applied all of Revelation but the earliest chapters to the end time rather than to the history of the Papacy. Antichrist would be a single person who would be received by the Jews and would rebuild Jerusalem" (George Eldon Ladd, The Blessed Hope: A Biblical Study of the Second Advent and the Rapture. Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1956, pp. 37-38).

"Ribera denied the Protestant Scriptural Antichrist (2 Thess.2) as seated in the church of Godâ€â€asserted by Augustine, Jerome, Luther and many reformers. He set on an infidel Antichrist, outside the church of God." (Ralph Thompson, Champions of Christianity in Search of Truth, p. 89).

"The result of his work [Ribera's] was a twisting and maligning of prophetic truth" (Robert Caringola, Seventy Weeks: The Historical Alternative, p. 32).
Subsequently, Cardinal Robert Bellarmine (1542-1621) followed Ribera's teaching.

"The futurist teachings of Ribera were further popularized by an Italian cardinal and the most renowned of all Jesuit controversialists. His writings claimed that Paul, Daniel, and John had nothing whatsoever to say about the Papal power. The futurists' school won general acceptance among Catholics. They were taught that antichrist was a single individual who would not rule until the very end of time" (Great Prophecies of the Bible, by Ralph Woodrow, p. 198).


Through the work of these two Jesuit scholars, we might say that the idea of a literal man would appear at the end time fulfilling the antichrist prophecies. Francisco Ribera has been called the Father of Futurism.

Thus Jesuit Futurism sweeps 1,500 years of prophetic history under the rug by inserting its infamous GAP. The GAP theory teaches that when Rome fell, prophecy stopped, only to continue again right around the time of the Rapture. Thus the "ten horns," the "little horn," the Leopard-like "Beast," and the Antichrist have nothing to do with Christians today. According to this viewpoint no prophecies were fulfilled during the Dark Ages. This remained a Catholic view for some 300 years after the Council of Trent. The plan of the Jesuits was that the Protestants would adopt this idea one day. To their delight it happened in the early 1800s in England, and from there it spread to America. The story of how this happened is both fascinating and tragic.

"The Futurism of Ribera never posed a positive threat to the Protestants for three centuries. It was virtually confined to the Roman Church. But early in the nineteenth century it sprang forth with vehemence and latched on to Protestants of the Established Church of England" (Ralph Thompson, Champions of Christianity in Search of Truth, p. 91).




Then Dr. Samuel Roffey Maitland (1792-1866), a lawyer and Bible scholar, became a librarian to the Archbishop of Canterbury. It is very likely that one day he discovered Ribera's commentary in the library. In any event, in 1826 he published a widely read book attacking the Reformation and supporting Ribera's idea of a future one-man Antichrist. For ten years, in tract after tract, he continued his anti-Reformation rhetoric. As a result of his zeal and strong attacks against the Reformation in England, the Protestantism of that very nation which produced the King James Bible (1611) received a crushing blow.

Then came James H. Todd, a professor of Hebrew at the University of Dublin. Todd accepted the futuristic ideas of Maitland, publishing his own supportive pamphlets and books. Then came John Henry Newman (1801-1890), a member of the Church of England and a leader of the famous Oxford Movement (1833-1845). In 1850, Newman wrote his "letter on Anglican Difficulties" revealing that one of the goals in the Oxford Movement was to finally absorb "the various English denominations and parties" back to the Church of Rome. Newman soon became a Roman Catholic, and later even a highly honored Cardinal. Through the influence of Maitland, Todd, Newman, and others, a definite "Romeward movement was already arising, destined to sweep away the old Protestant landmarks, as with a flood" (H. Grattan Guinness, History Unveiling Prophecy or Time as an Interpreter, New York: Fleming H. Revell Co., 1905, p. 289).

There was also a Scottish Presbyterian minister Edward Irving (1792-1834), considered to be the forerunner of both the Charismatic and the Pentecostal Movements. He accepted the one-man Antichrist of Todd, Maitland, Bellarmine and Ribera. He went a step further and invented a two-phase return of Christ. A secret rapture prior to the rise of Antichrist would constitute the first phase. In this first phase the Lord would rapture all saved Christians. This would be a wake up call to Christians who had not been saved and these would have to become saved during the "Great Tribulation." Where this idea originated is unclear. Journalist Dave MacPherson believes Irving accepted it as a result of a prophetic revelation given to a young Scottish girl named Margaret Mcdonald (The Incredible Cover-Up: Exposing the Origins of Rapture Theories, by Dave MacPherson, Omega Publications, Medford, Oregon. 1980). In any case, the fact is, Irving taught it!

This brings us to John Nelson Darby (1800-1882). He was a bright lawyer, pastor and theologian who wrote more than 53 books on Bible subjects. Darby defended the infallibility of the Bible against a tide of liberalism. He became a leader of a group in Plymouth, England that later were called Plymouth Brethren. Dwight Eisenhower's father is credited with associating with this movement as well as with the Bible Students. Darby was a dispensationalist believing that God deals with mankind in major time periods called dispensations. He called the Gospel age the Church age. Darby laid much of the foundation for the present popular removal of Daniel's seventieth week away from history and from applying to Jesus Christ in favor of applying it to a future Tribulation after the Rapture. This locks Darby in with Francisco Ribera and the Jesuit agenda.

What made John Nelson Darby so famous was the fact that Cyris Ingerson Scofield (1843-1921), a Kansas lawyer, who published his Scofield Reference Bible based largely on Darby's writings and his Futurism also found in the writings of Todd, Maitland, Bellarmine and Ribera. This greatly assisted the Jesuits in their endeavor to convince the world that the Antichrist was a future literal man who would bring about seven years of tribulation. Wycliff, Huss, Luther, Knox and Wesley all declared Papacy was the Antichrist. For a list of over eighty reformers who identified Papacy as Antichrist, check Reformers' Interpretations of Anti-Christ.


Daniel's 70 Weeks of Years


Most Bible scholars have agreed that Daniel 9:24-27 was prophetic when written but historical now. If it is now history, you cannot remove seven years of history and put it were you please. Truths of history cannot be removed in fact. Christians should not try to revise history.

Most scholars recognize Daniel as prophetic covering from the "commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto Messiah the Prince." Thus Daniel 9:25-27 tells us when Jerusalem and its walls were rebuilt in troublous times to Messiah the Prince would be sixty-nine weeks of years (483). The wall was rebuilt in 454 BCE to 29 CEâ€â€historically sixty-nine weeks to the time Jesus presented himself at Jordan as Israel's Messiah.

Messiah then would:

1. "Make an end of sin"â€â€"He put away sin by the sacrifice of himself" (Heb. 9:26).
2. "Make reconciliation for iniquity" The iniquities of the Church were cancelled.
3. "Bring in everlasting righteousness" Bring in everlasting justification from sin.
4. "Seal up the vision" The vision of the 2300 days (years) the first part of which was the 70 weeks (490 years)â€â€literally cut-off from the 2300 years.
5. "Seal up the prophecy" This set a seal upon Daniel as a true prophet.
6. "Anoint the Most Holy" The Spirit anointed the holy remnant at Pentecost.
7. "Confirm the covenant with many for one week" The covenant with Israel was to be confirmed for the last week and no Gentiles were to be accepted until this time frame was completed (29 to 36 CE).
8. "The midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation cease" In the middle of the last week (33 CE) Christ his sacrifice would cease or be ended.



How can we take this last week full of historical fulfillment by our Lord and move it to the end time? To do so violates reason and biblical exegesis. It precisely fits into the last seven years covering Messiah who was to be "cut off" in the midst of the week and then the covenant was to be confirmed for the remainder of the week with Israel only. This is history.

The Vision of the
Twenty-Three Hundred Days [Years]


Daniel 8:13-16 tells of a vision of "2300 days" which Daniel did not understand. The angel Gabriel was commissioned to explain it to him, but the chapter ends with Daniel saying:

"And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it" (Dan. 8:27).

Neither Daniel nor his associates were able to understand this vision. In Daniel the ninth chapter we learn that Daniel went back to Jeremiah's writings concerning the seventy years of desolation. He apparently was wondering if after the seventy years spent in Babylon Israel might be restored to its own land.

Daniel’s main interest was in Israel. Gabriel's message left him rather limp perhaps believing that the sanctuary of the literal temple would remained defiled until the end of "2300 days [years]."

Fearing such a long wait Daniel then prays to God confessing Israel's sins and seeking God's mercy. Finally, in Daniel 9:21-27 Gabriel is sent the second time to explain the vision. The only vision that needed explaining at the moment was the vision of the "2300 days." The reason it could not be understood was that the angel had not given a starting date or a closing date. Without some point to measure from Daniel had a "2300 days" yardstick but no point to measure from.

Gabriel then makes a second attempt to explain the vision of the "2300 days" by adding another vision of "70 weeks [of years]" that would be "determined [literally are divided or cut off from the 2300 days] upon thy people and upon thy holy city" (Dan. 9:24). In other words Gabriel is telling Daniel that four hundred and ninety will be divided or cut off from the twenty-three hundred years. Gabriel also provides a time from which to start both the 2300 years and the 490 years. He says: "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks (69 weeks): the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times" (Dan. 9:25). The wall was rebuilt in fifty-two days (Neh. 5:15) in 454 BCE. To illustrate:



2300 Symbolic Days = 2300 Literal Years

<-----------------------------2300 Years----------------------------->
454BCE 1846CE

483 Years 7 Yrs 1810 Years Remaining
of the 2300 Years

7 Years = Covenant confirmed
with Israel one week.
Messiah cut off in "midst" of week.







You cannot remove seven years from the 2300 years and still have 2300 nor can you remove seven years from the 490 historical years and still have 490. To take seven years of history and transplant it into the future is untenable. No explanation is adequate and none has been given. Darby just did it. There is no prophecy that says the "Great Tribulation" is seven years. Seven years was stolen from Daniel disannulling history. Daniel told us the Messiah "Would confirm the covenant [with Israel] for one week [seven years from 29 to 36 CE]; and in the midst of the week [33 CE] he [Messiah] shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease [Messiah sacrifice would be ended on the cross in the midst of the week]" (Dan. 9:27). How can anyone place these seven years of history into the future when it was fulfilled in the past?

Jesuit Ribera's
Seventieth Week Last Legacy

The very first scholar to take Daniel's seventieth week away from the sixty-nine weeks was Francisco Ribera. His primary apparatus was the seventy weeks. He taught that Daniel's 70th week already fulfilled was still in the future. … It has opened the floodgate of Jesuit futurism that denies history. Many good Christian people are being deceived by a Jesuit conspiracy that closes their eyes to the true Antichrist. "This is exactly the scenario used by Hal Lindsey and a multitude of other current prophecy teachers" (Robert Caringola, Seventy Weeks: The Historical Alternative, p. 35). It seems that the Evangelical movement has taken the Jesuit bate and now feature the Jesuit concepts in placing the seventieth week in a future tribulation. Why have they laid aside all the teachings of the Founding Fathers of Protestantism that the Papacy is the Antichrist? Why have they become bewitched with the Jesuit siren song causing the world to look for a literal man Antichrist instead of recognizing the historic Antichrist? Many Evangelicals fail to recognize they are perpetuating a Jesuit begotten error in the "left behind" deception and leaving many Christians unprepared for the last time deceptions of the true Antichrist.
 
Its easy to see when the rapture will occur, if we just read the Bible plain and simple, without adding the doctrines of the churches:

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

AFTER the tribulation they shall gather together His elect.
 
shad said:
Why have they laid aside all the teachings of the Founding Fathers of Protestantism that the Papacy is the Antichrist? Why have they become bewitched with the Jesuit siren song causing the world to look for a literal man Antichrist instead of recognizing the historic Antichrist? Many Evangelicals fail to recognize they are perpetuating a Jesuit begotten error in the "left behind" deception and leaving many Christians unprepared for the last time deceptions of the true Antichrist.


Although I agree with you that antichrist is not one person, we cannot allow ourselves to be blinded by a LESSER TYPE , like the Papacy. Although true, it is but a forerunner of the larger type.

The Bible clearly teaches that God looks at the earth and sees TWO men in the field. One will be taken (Body of Christ) and the other left (Body of antichrist) This Biblical view does in fact nor leave out one person from the end-time scenario. In fact everybody on this planet gets allocated: Body of Christ............or Body of antichrist.

Luk 17:36 Two [men] shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

What is the "field"?


Mat 13:38 The field is the world; .................

So: Only two "men" in the world. ..............
1) Body of Christ
2) Body of antichrist
 
Luk 9:50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid [him] not: for he that is not against us is for us.

So?
He that is not for us (everybody who is not for us) is against us. .........anti us. They are anti Christianity, they are anti Christians, they are anti God, they are anti religions, they are...........anti Christ .
 
My reasoning is coming from based on the facts(fruit). We have to watch out overview of what is going on and compare it to the Bible. Watch out Cornelius lest you will be used by satan.
 
shad said:
My reasoning is coming from based on the facts(fruit). We have to watch out overview of what is going on and compare it to the Bible. Watch out Cornelious lest you will be used by satan.

For quoting the Bible?
Show me where I miss quoted the Bible :)
 
What did I say? You don't seem to be watching what is going on in the world and christian world. I believe most of prophesy is symbolism. If we are disagreeing with this, we will never come to the same conclusion.

BTW, the elect and the saved are not the same. The elect will reign the earth with Jesus, and this is another subject.
 
Cornelius said:
Its easy to see when the rapture will occur, if we just read the Bible plain and simple, without adding the doctrines of the churches:

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

AFTER the tribulation they shall gather together His elect.

That would be the Second Coming of Christ with the saints (Rev.19:11-16), not Jesus coming back for the saints.. Pre-TRIB. Rapture (1 Thes.4:13-18; 5:9; 2 Thes.2:7; etc.).
 
Hi shad:

Daniel's 70 Weeks of Years

Most Bible scholars have agreed that Daniel 9:24-27 was prophetic when written but historical now. If it is now history, you cannot remove seven years of history and put it were you please. Truths of history cannot be removed in fact. Christians should not try to revise history.

Most scholars recognize Daniel as prophetic covering from the "commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto Messiah the Prince." Thus Daniel 9:25-27 tells us when Jerusalem and its walls were rebuilt in troublous times to Messiah the Prince would be sixty-nine weeks of years (483). The wall was rebuilt in 454 BCE to 29 CEâ€â€historically sixty-nine weeks to the time Jesus presented himself at Jordan as Israel's Messiah.
I couldn't agree more. Actually, a good opening post. :-) No future 70th. week and most premillennial end times positions hold no water. Look at whatever future events are left and there would be far less wrestling with, arranging and rearranging scripture.
 
Sorry, didn't read that long post, but to answer the title, yes, there will be billions left behind for God's wrath, which is called the Tribulation, which looks strikingly like the 70th week in Daniel. I'm not sure about the rest of the world, but I believe that most who profess Christ in America will be left behind since most still sin (most as I see, not claiming to know the magority...but in my world...). God's wrath isn't for the righteous (1 Thes.5:9), and those who sin aren't righteous no matter who they profess (Eze.3:17-21; 18:4, 20-24; 33:12-13; Jn.8:31, 34, 44, 51; 1 Jn.3:8-10). So, yes, billions left behind.
 
The Wrath of God is spoken of much throughout the OT, too many times for me to quote. But tribulation is mentioned just three times:

Deu 4:30 When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;

Judg 10:14 Go and cry unto the gods which ye have chosen; let them deliver you in the time of your tribulation.

1 Sam 26:24 And, behold, as thy life was much set by this day in mine eyes, so let my life be much set by in the eyes of the LORD, and let him deliver me out of all tribulation.

How is it that you and others attribute tribulation to God? Jesus, most the Disciples, the martyrs and many other believes that died for their faith suffered tremendous tribulation. Did God cause their suffering of did HE allow it?

So, where dies it say God's Wrath is also the Tribulation?

http://www.restoringthevision.com/wrath.htm

http://www.thoughts.com/YWGO/blog/what- ... ath-76212/
 
vic C. said:
So, where dies it say God's Wrath is also the Tribulation?
It does not. :)
Tribulation is tribulation and wrath is wrath (also called "the day of the Lord" )

And the Bible teaches that God allows tribulation (Paul can tell us all about this: shipwreck , hunger, nakedness, lashings, persecution, imprisonment etc....this is not wrath, but is tribulation ) which God allowed........but ........He brought him through it all victoriously. That is the difference . Praise God.

Listen brothers and sisters. We all are already into a difficult time regarding the world wide economic crises, but like Paul, we too must look to God, so that we too will come through this victoriously . :)
We serve a loving and caring Father God, who always honors His promises to those who place their trust in Him

(Forgive the slight deviation from the topic, but we are all in a very real situation right now, which is going to get worse)


love in Christ
C
 
Cornelius said:
(Forgive the slight deviation from the topic, but we are all in a very real situation right now, which is going to get worse)[/i]

love in Christ
C

Jesus is still gathering the elect who will win the prize of crown to reign with Him. If we are running the race as we should, we will receive the crown as reward, imho.
 
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