will turkey go head to head with Isreal?

[johnny botwright]

I can see the Kings of the East , being China, North Korea, type alliance, East Asia.

China boasts a land army of 200 million.

the kings of the East slay a third of men.

China are their own masters, imperilists, have no time for Buddist, Hindu, muslim, Jew, Christian

A third of men, this would be two billion people at todays count.

including far east, middle east, europe, ect johnny.

Turkey, Jihad and Prophecy

 

[Sinthesis]

The "Kings of the East" are to "Mystery, Babylon" what Cyrus' Persians were to historical Babylon.

Thanks Sinthesis,

My own feeling is that the Kings of the East represent a modern or future quartet of East Asian nations; and the phrase Mystery, Babylon, refers to a mystery (of) Babylon, which may be a symbol for Jerusalem.

What do you think? Who are the Kings of the East? What is Mystery, Babylon?

How (in keeping with the topic) do you think Turkey relates to the draining of the Euphrates River and the Kings of the East (nowadays)?

As a partial preterist, I do not believe the situation today around Turkey relates directly to endtimes. Today I can see various parallels, which is why the subject can be so confusing to some, but the direct correspondence belongs to our history. Is it fun to speculate upon endtime scenarios? Sure; but the truth of what has already been done for us is far more amazing, if you can see it.

 

[Sinthesis]

Are you equating "the kings of the east" with "the Medes and Persians" and saying the verse recalls how Cyrus' engineers diverted the Euphrates' stream (volume), and thereby lowered the water level, prior to entering Babylon?

The "Kings of the East" are to "Mystery, Babylon" what Cyrus' Persians were to historical Babylon.

But that's not what the "kings of the east" do in Revelation. Instead, they represent those who lead the locust army in Rev.9. Back in Rev.17, The Lord mentions that the ten kings who rule with the beast will make war with The Lamb (Christ). In Rev.16 the Euphrates is dried up, the way of the kings of the east is prepared, that preparation being for the battle of Armageddon at Christ's coming. Thus the kings of the east are NOT in the same role as Cyrus who destroyed historical Babylon. Those "kings of the east" are part of the beast kingdom ten kings ("ten horns").

And if you look at Ezekiel 38 & 39, those are the nations that are to come upon Israel on the last day of this world. It is our Lord Jesus Who fits the role of Cyrus in destroying 'Mystery, Babylon', not the kings of the east who are part of Mystery, Babylon.

Jesus and Cyrus are both anointed. Of course you understand that Cyrus was not physically present at the fall of Babylon, but showed up later. Hence, "Cyrus' Persians".

Further, just as in Joel, the 'Locust Army' does the Lord's bidding.

The 'Ten Kings' of Rev.17 are not exactly the 'Kings of the East'. The 'Kings of the East' do not belong to 'Mystery Babylon'.

Ezekiel 39 is not about any worldly Israel.

 

[David505]

The 'Ten Kings' of Rev.17 are not exactly the 'Kings of the East'. The 'Kings of the East' do not belong to 'Mystery Babylon'.

Thanks Sinthesis,

Agreed, not related to Mystery, Babylon.

From my whatever-kind-of-futurist-perspective-you'd-like-to-call-it, I'd postulate an East Asian quartet, perhaps, China, Mongolia, Korea, Vietnam representing four of the ten kings in correspondence to Daniel's four-headed leopard (Dan. 7).

If someone asked you to define "Mystery, Babylon" how would you answer?

 

[veteran]

Jesus and Cyrus are both anointed. Of course you understand that Cyrus was not physically present at the fall of Babylon, but showed up later. Hence, "Cyrus' Persians".

Further, just as in Joel, the 'Locust Army' does the Lord's bidding.

The 'Ten Kings' of Rev.17 are not exactly the 'Kings of the East'. The 'Kings of the East' do not belong to 'Mystery Babylon'.

Ezekiel 39 is not about any worldly Israel.

I beg to differ about Cyrus, for he most definitely was at the fall of Babylon, he caused it, by diverting the waters of the Euphrates to walk into Babylon on dry land while the Babylonians were holding a feast. Isaiah 44:27 is specifically about God doing that using Cyrus.

Mystery Babylon is about Jerusalem in the last days in a captured fallen state, to be used by the Antichrist as his ruling city over the rest of the nations. How can folks be so blind as to the devil's plans for Jerusalem in the last days, for he wants to be God and worshipped just like God? If you look at prophecy of how Christ will eventually rule from Jerusalem over all... nations, that's what the antichrist is to attempt, which is why the majority of the earth will worship him.

 

[Sinthesis]

Jesus and Cyrus are both anointed. Of course you understand that Cyrus was not physically present at the fall of Babylon, but showed up later. Hence, "Cyrus' Persians".

Further, just as in Joel, the 'Locust Army' does the Lord's bidding.

The 'Ten Kings' of Rev.17 are not exactly the 'Kings of the East'. The 'Kings of the East' do not belong to 'Mystery Babylon'.

Ezekiel 39 is not about any worldly Israel.

I beg to differ about Cyrus, for he most definitely was at the fall of Babylon, he caused it, by diverting the waters of the Euphrates to walk into Babylon on dry land while the Babylonians were holding a feast. Isaiah 44:27 is specifically about God doing that using Cyrus.

According to the Nabonidus Chronicle, Cyrus showed up three weeks after the diversion of the Euphrates to complete the conquest of Babylon. This historical account is not in conflict with the Bible, as Jesus' conversation with the Centurion explains how one with authority can act through others. :yes

Mystery Babylon is about Jerusalem in the last days in a captured fallen state, to be used by the Antichrist as his ruling city over the rest of the nations. How can folks be so blind as to the devil's plans for Jerusalem in the last days, for he wants to be God and worshipped just like God? If you look at prophecy of how Christ will eventually rule from Jerusalem over all... nations, that's what the antichrist is to attempt, which is why the majority of the earth will worship him.

This is exactly as it happened. :o

 

[Vic C.]

Off Topic

Hi Sinth,

I just got a glimpse of your siggy. I had forgotten where that verse was and I was looking for it. The reason I could not find it is the KJV uses confederacy, not conspiracy. But the meaning is the same.

Thanks for the chapter and verse number. :D

 

[veteran]

According to the Nabonidus Chronicle, Cyrus showed up three weeks after the diversion of the Euphrates to complete the conquest of Babylon. This historical account is not in conflict with the Bible, as Jesus' conversation with the Centurion explains how one with authority can act through others. :yes

This is exactly as it happened. :o

I trust what God's Word declares about more than those chronicles you speak of. Secularists have often claimed something different than what God's Word shows, and eventually God's Word proves to be more accurate. And that's really... the way it is.

 

[Sinthesis]

According to the Nabonidus Chronicle, Cyrus showed up three weeks after the diversion of the Euphrates to complete the conquest of Babylon. This historical account is not in conflict with the Bible, as Jesus' conversation with the Centurion explains how one with authority can act through others. :yes

This is exactly as it happened. :o

I trust what God's Word declares about more than those chronicles you speak of. Secularists have often claimed something different than what God's Word shows, and eventually God's Word proves to be more accurate. And that's really... the way it is.

You're missing the point. The secular Nabonidus Chronicle account confirms the Biblical account, and also provides further details which do not conflict with the Bible. They do, however, conflict with only that which you have read into the Bible.