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Will YOU be raptured?

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I have been AMAZED at the 'understanding' of the Rapture and how it has been percieved SINCE the 'left behind' series of books were introduced.

What I am 'wondering' is; What do others that 'consider' themselves 'Christians' truly beieve concerning the 'Rapture'. Will airplanes 'fall out of the sky'? People's clothing be 'left behind'? What 'think' ye?

MEC
 
Here is a view from English theologian NT Wright:

The American obsession with the second coming of Jesus  especially with distorted interpretations of it  continues unabated. Seen from my side of the Atlantic, the phenomenal success of the Left Behind books appears puzzling, even bizarre[1]. Few in the U.K. hold the belief on which the popular series of novels is based: that there will be a literal “rapture†in which believers will be snatched up to heaven, leaving empty cars crashing on freeways and kids coming home from school only to find that their parents have been taken to be with Jesus while they have been “left behind.†This pseudo-theological version of Home Alone has reportedly frightened many children into some kind of (distorted) faith.

This dramatic end-time scenario is based (wrongly, as we shall see) on Paul’s First Letter to the Thessalonians, where he writes: “For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout of command, with the voice of an archangel and the trumpet of God. The dead in Christ will rise first; then we, who are left alive, will be snatched up with them on clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord†(1 Thessalonians 4:16-17).

What on earth (or in heaven) did Paul mean?

It is Paul who should be credited with creating this scenario. Jesus himself, as I have argued in various books, never predicted such an event[2]. The gospel passages about “the Son of Man coming on the clouds†(Mark 13:26, 14:62, for example) are about Jesus’ vindication, his “coming†to heaven from earth. The parables about a returning king or master (for example, Luke 19:11-27) were originally about God returning to Jerusalem, not about Jesus returning to earth. This, Jesus seemed to believe, was an event within space-time history, not one that would end it forever.

The Ascension of Jesus and the Second Coming are nevertheless vital Christian doctrines[3], and I don’t deny that I believe some future event will result in the personal presence of Jesus within God’s new creation. This is taught throughout the New Testament outside the Gospels. But this event won’t in any way resemble the Left Behind account. Understanding what will happen requires a far more sophisticated cosmology than the one in which “heaven†is somewhere up there in our universe, rather than in a different dimension, a different space-time, altogether.

The New Testament, building on ancient biblical prophecy, envisages that the creator God will remake heaven and earth entirely, affirming the goodness of the old Creation but overcoming its mortality and corruptibility (e.g., Romans 8:18-27; Revelation 21:1; Isaiah 65:17, 66:22). When that happens, Jesus will appear within the resulting new world (e.g., Colossians 3:4; 1 John 3:2).

Paul’s description of Jesus’ reappearance in 1 Thessalonians 4 is a brightly colored version of what he says in two other passages, 1 Corinthians 15:51-54 and Philippians 3:20-21: At Jesus’ “coming†or “appearing,†those who are still alive will be “changed†or “transformed†so that their mortal bodies will become incorruptible, deathless. This is all that Paul intends to say in Thessalonians, but here he borrows imageryâ€â€from biblical and political sourcesâ€â€to enhance his message. Little did he know how his rich metaphors would be misunderstood two millennia later.

First, Paul echoes the story of Moses coming down the mountain with the Torah. The trumpet sounds, a loud voice is heard, and after a long wait Moses comes to see what’s been going on in his absence.

Second, he echoes Daniel 7, in which “the people of the saints of the Most High†(that is, the “one like a son of manâ€Â) are vindicated over their pagan enemy by being raised up to sit with God in glory. This metaphor, applied to Jesus in the Gospels, is now applied to Christians who are suffering persecution.

Third, Paul conjures up images of an emperor visiting a colony or province. The citizens go out to meet him in open country and then escort him into the city. Paul’s image of the people “meeting the Lord in the air†should be read with the assumption that the people will immediately turn around and lead the Lord back to the newly remade world.

Paul’s mixed metaphors of trumpets blowing and the living being snatched into heaven to meet the Lord are not to be understood as literal truth, as the Left Behind series suggests, but as a vivid and biblically allusive description of the great transformation of the present world of which he speaks elsewhere.

Paul’s misunderstood metaphors present a challenge for us: How can we reuse biblical imagery, including Paul’s, so as to clarify the truth, not distort it? And how can we do so, as he did, in such a way as to subvert the political imagery of the dominant and dehumanizing empires of our world? We might begin by asking, What view of the world is sustained, even legitimized, by the Left Behind ideology? How might it be confronted and subverted by genuinely biblical thinking? For a start, is not the Left Behind mentality in thrall to a dualistic view of reality that allows people to pollute God’s world on the grounds that it’s all going to be destroyed soon? Wouldn’t this be overturned if we recaptured Paul’s wholistic vision of God’s whole creation?
 
Change of plans?

Jesus appeared to Paul in intervals, receiving first hand information and not inspiration:

And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth. Acts 22:14

"...I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee..." Acts 26:16

This eschatological event apparently was going to take place during the life time in Paul's life:

"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever."
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

That was the first letter Paul wrote to the Thessalonians, it must have been some mega controversy going on for he had to set them straight on his second letter for he explains the following:

1"Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

Is he saying don't mind my first letter I'm not finished here?

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Apostasy must be here first before the "Rapture"

Than secondly the man of sin must be reveled

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

The Thessalonians knew it was Paul who was holding him back

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth [The Gospel of Paul?], and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
  • The rapture. (Not Yet)[/*:m:0bce1]
  • Apostacy (First)[/*:m:0bce1]
  • The Son of Perdition (Second)[/*:m:0bce1]
  • The Mystery of iniquity taken out. ( Third) by: [/*:m:0bce1]
  • The Second Coming. (Fourth)[/*:m:0bce1]
  • The man will be exposed and destroyed. (Fifth)[/*:m:0bce1]
  • The Rapture (Sixth)[/*:m:0bce1]
Personally believed that the rapture is simply :

Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself. Philippians 3:21

For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 1 Corinthians 15:53

The son of perdition is the cause [ and...of the apostacy] God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. 2 Thessalonians 2:11

Until we [ The Church] find out how deep we are in our apostacy, that event is on hold.

A falling away first by the Church was inevitable for it is prophesied.
Are we still carrying excessive baggage from certain Religions?

Well this is my contribution and I further say: Christianity under apostacy is a lie that promises a reward. My saying...
 
Interesting. So, so far we have two opinions that the 'rapture' as portrayed in the 'left behind' series and as accepted and taught by MANY of our 'modern churches' '''may be wrong''''??? Hmmm......

EXACTLY!!!!!

I have had many that would try and TELL me that there WILL be 'people DISAPPEARING' and INSIST that THEY WILL BE ONE OF THEM. No matter HOW hard you may 'try' and point out the 'truth of scripture' they will STILL insist that it WILL BE just as they have read and witnessed in the movies.

Thanks guys, and thanks for the article from abroad.

God Bless,

MEC
 
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