Woman Who Drowned In Wedding Dress

[Claudya]

I guess it fits with North American society's outlook on marriage in general now. The bride's gown used to be a treasured reminder of being joined to her husband for life, something to be handed down to her daughter as a symbol of what marriage stood for. So now instead, they "trash the gown"? I suppose it's fitting in a society that has totally trashed marriage.

It's not only marriage and it's not just America. All our western societies decline further and further into consumerist decadence. Almost everything we buy everyday is intended only to work for a short while and then be replaced. That's how they keep the cash flowing.
Whatever we buy is basically future trash. There's no long term value in the products we buy.
Of course if we learn from childhod on that everything we have and do will be worn out or outdated and be replaced anyway, then how shall we grasp concepts like a life long commitment in marriage, and the symbolic meaning of things related to it (like wedding gowns).

 

[Obadiah]

I guess it fits with North American society's outlook on marriage in general now. The bride's gown used to be a treasured reminder of being joined to her husband for life, something to be handed down to her daughter as a symbol of what marriage stood for. So now instead, they "trash the gown"? I suppose it's fitting in a society that has totally trashed marriage.

It's not only marriage and it's not just America. All our western societies decline further and further into consumerist decadence. Almost everything we buy everyday is intended only to work for a short while and then be replaced. That's how they keep the cash flowing.
Whatever we buy is basically future trash. There's no long term value in the products we buy.
Of course if we learn from childhod on that everything we have and do will be worn out or outdated and be replaced anyway, then how shall we grasp concepts like a life long commitment in marriage, and the symbolic meaning of things related to it (like wedding gowns).

Very good points. And I specified "North" America meaning to include Canada and Mexico as well because I know first hand all three of those countries have this problem, Mexico being the most recent of the three to fall into it. From what you are saying it sounds like my suspicion that many European countries are the same is true too. It's a shame really.

 

[Claudya]

Very good points. And I specified "North" America meaning to include Canada and Mexico as well because I know first hand all three of those countries have this problem, Mexico being the most recent of the three to fall into it. From what you are saying it sounds like my suspicion that many European countries are the same is true too. It's a shame really.

We're probably not very far from where the US are in regards to consumerism and shallowness. Though Europe is a various and diverse continent. You'll find completely different sets of values and lifestyles depending on whether you are looking at Berlin or at some mountain village in Greece.
But capitalism and the material wealth most of us have (not having to struggle for food, shelder and safety every day) call for decadence everywhere. In order to sustain economical growth we're required to buy and consume. They need us to indulge in material possession and worldly "fun" so they can sell their products. Values and things that last for a lifetime don't sell for money.

 

[tim-from-pa]

This calls for a video of the occasion!

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfEreuYeefI[/video]

Thankfully this did not come out as tragic.

 

[Pizzaguy]

I guess it fits with North American society's outlook on marriage in general now. The bride's gown used to be a treasured reminder of being joined to her husband for life, something to be handed down to her daughter as a symbol of what marriage stood for. So now instead, they "trash the gown"? I suppose it's fitting in a society that has totally trashed marriage.

THis forum needs a "LIKE" button!

 

[Pizzaguy]

That's what I was getting at, Edward!

 

[Tony Hyman]

Its a general mindset I suppose where Marketers cash in on the temptation to keep up with the next person .This is where Satan laughs all the way to the "soul bank".He has been around the block for many years and is aware that "jealousy" is the big seller.Short cuts like easy loans and other methods of spending money you havent got is his "cutting edge tool" in ensuring that God's children are enslaved in dept.As it is known in the East "Dept is the Opium of the West".

Mayde your "dated 1 gig lap-top" is not so bad afterall.If it gets the job done according to your needs (not others).It's those keeping up wants that Satan just loves.I cant wait to see when the next monitor screen is going to render the flat screen dated.I suppose a reverse concave screen would have to be the way to go.At the moment this Bush Dersert Storm Monitor that Im using still beams me up somehow.

 

[Pizzaguy]

The WHAT? :

[video]http://video.pbs.org/video/1817898383/[/video]

That was a very interesting video - totally worth the time on this rainy, no-you-are-NOT-going-hiking Sunday!

Thanks!

 

[Tony Hyman]

"Trash the Dress" ???? That's a new one! :yes

I wonder what denomination she was affiliated with.It dose not specify in the article.I ask this in light of all the new religious beliefs that are launched almost on a daily basis according to Encyclopedia Of New Relgions (Partridge and Melton) .What a shame such a beautiful woman.
I must say that as a part time musician along with my normal day job, I have played at many weddings in my time and that on most occasions the young bride and groom wanted their wedding to be original and memorable.It looks to me as though she is Greek we must bear in mind that at traditional Greek weddings they do shatter plates on the floor at the reception as part of their custom.This might be construed as wastage according to other beliefs.Maybe we should not judge her too harshly until the facts surrounding the unfortunate incident are clear.

It was the Lords will that the incident happend.Governments trash crops in order to keep food prices stable regardless of starvation.The autopsy might reveal that she had a heart attack or someother factor which caused her death.Who knows?Spicked drink by a jealous ex lover.

 

[Pizzaguy]

"Trash the Dress" ???? That's a new one! :yes

It was the Lords will that the incident happend..

A girl drowned in her wedding dress and you KNOW that it was the Lord's will?

How do you know that?

 

[handy]

"Trash the Dress" ???? That's a new one! :yes

I wonder what denomination she was affiliated with.It dose not specify in the article.I ask this in light of all the new religious beliefs that are launched almost on a daily basis according to Encyclopedia Of New Relgions (Partridge and Melton) .What a shame such a beautiful woman.
I must say that as a part time musician along with my normal day job, I have played at many weddings in my time and that on most occasions the young bride and groom wanted their wedding to be original and memorable.It looks to me as though she is Greek we must bear in mind that at traditional Greek weddings they do shatter plates on the floor at the reception as part of their custom.This might be construed as wastage according to other beliefs.Maybe we should not judge her too harshly until the facts surrounding the unfortunate incident are clear.

It was the Lords will that the incident happend.Governments trash crops in order to keep food prices stable regardless of starvation.The autopsy might reveal that she had a heart attack or someother factor which caused her death.Who knows?Spicked drink by a jealous ex lover.

I remember when this took place and read a number of articles about it. There was no religious significance to it... just a current fad of brides called "trash the dress" in which the bride is photographed doing something in her wedding dress that generally will cause the dress to be ruined. It's fashionable. In the case of unfortunate bride in the OP... she deliberately waded into a river to get a picture of her ruining her wedding dress in the river.

I do feel sorry for her, her family and bereft fiance... but it was a very dumb thing to do.

 

[Pizzaguy]

A girl drowned in her wedding dress and you KNOW that it was the Lord's will?

How do you know that?

I think we all have a certain day & time when our number is up. I think we can influence it it to be sooner through stupidness and suicide, but if one is careful there is nothing one can do to stop it if your number is called.

Hebrews 9:27

Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,/ (NIV)

No argument there, Edward. But we KNOW that some people die when it is NOT God's will that they die.
I'm thinking of every aborted baby. You can't tell me that THOSE deaths were God's will !

PLENTY happens on this planet that is NOT God's will.

 

[Tony Hyman]

"Trash the Dress" ???? That's a new one! :yes

It was the Lords will that the incident happend..

A girl drowned in her wedding dress and you KNOW that it was the Lord's will?

How do you know that?

I know that it is God's will ,because the Bible tells me so."Your eyes saw my unformed body.All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be."Psalm 139 "14. N.I.V. We see that God allows us to make choices in our lives as he tests us as He is in total control of how things good or bad turn out in His creation beyond human understanding .I believe accidents are also part of His plans for us Romans 8:28-29" And we know that all things work together for the good to them that love God, to them who are called according to His purpose.29.For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many bretheren."K.J.V. Everything includes our mistakes ,our sins and our hurts ,as I understand these verses above.

 

[Tony Hyman]

It obviously means what you want it to mean.The truth is that death will come to us all ,if it is God's will that a life saver on a beach notices a child or person swimming in a danger area in spite of warning sighns and the life saver gets there to late to save the life then that was God's will .The fact that they were neglegent is irrellavant as I see it.The life saver could also have drowned on his way to save the person.

There are many things which could have been done to save a particular situation.We cant lock ourselves up in a flat and never face life's troubles and risks .We could just as easilly slip in the bath and drown.Therefore If someone is in a position to save someone else's life and God wills it so, then according to Romans 8:28-29 then that is His will ,no matter what anybody says or thinks otherwise.Surgeons and Paramedicals included.There are many instances in the Bible that dont make sense from a Human perspective.God is not here to serve mankind but mankind to serve God.

 

[Pizzaguy]

It obviously means what you want it to mean.

That line leaves me speechless.

There are many instances in the Bible that dont make sense from a Human perspective.

Agreed. But God's will is violated all the time on this planet. He allows it, and it's one of those "don't make sense" things you speak about.
For example: Aborted babies are not God's will.

 

[handy]

I think I can understand where Tony is coming from though.... Yes, God's will is violated all the time on this planet. But, no one has control over when life begin or when life ends, but God Himself.

I believe in the concept of there being the day we are going to die, and when that day comes, even if one does nothing more than lay safely and comfortably in one's own bed... one will be dead by the end of the day. Perhaps one will have a heart attack, or perhaps blue ice will fall from the sky, through the roof and strike one.

This being the case, Maria Pantazopoulos was a lot like the man who built for himself a large barn and yet that night God said, "Fool, your soul is required of you." (Luke 12:20) Ms. Pantazopoulos was busy starting her new life as a bride and her soul was required of her. That was indeed, God's will.

However, the angel of death would have visited Ms. Pantazopoulos whether she was doing something innocuous or something very foolish. As it was, she made the angel's job quite easy by doing something very, very foolish, wading into a river weighed down by a very heavy dress in order to "trash it" for a photo op.

I guess we can look at this two ways... When our soul is required of us, nothing is going to change that, so go ahead and take risks. Why live life "safe" when, ultimately, it doesn't matter.

Or, we can look at say, "My soul is not my own, I will not risk it in foolish endeavors."

I choose the second.

 

[Tony Hyman]

This unfortunate event , I believe ,has occurred to teach Us all how "for the good" as contemplated in Rom 8:28 finds application here.
I cant speak for us all but only what this event teaches me about God's Will and what His commands are regarding His view about how man and woman are to be married.This aspect has already been discussed above.

From what I gather none here actually witnessed the said event so that leaves much room for speculation and unknowns.

The fact that Maria drowned in a wedding dress and her decision to do something radical as she herself stated, according to the news paper before the event; whether to draw attention to how Weddings are to go from now on,or whatever reason She chose to be different; We could possibly learn that God is not interested in our attempts to be different.

Now we learn that good medicine is not always sweet .Permit me to take us to the Lords Prayer which I for one have rambled off since Sunday School (speak for myself of course) Christ in His opening line Matthew 6:9 says Hallowed be thy name.

There might be a misconception in current world thinking, that since the coming of Christ, He is this cool laywer
who bails us out as far as respecting His Father is concerned, and that His Father has let anything go as far as Temple Discipline is concerned; and the respect which God imposed on the Levites in Deutoronomy 40 and the strict instructions by God regarding the minutest details of how the Priests were to dress and who was permitted to approach God.Christ has not come to do away with the O.T. but to fulfill it as He says in Matthew 5:17. Christ is not to be taken lightly when He says Hallowed be thy Name because the following example will show How God percieves Himself regardless of how mankind tries to dilute or downplay His Image and instructions "Now then, give the Israelites the message that I , the Sovereign Lord, have for them:What I am going to do is not for the sake of you Israelites , but for the sake of my holy name, which you have disgraced in every country where you have gone.22 When I demonstrate to the nations the holiness of my great name- the name you disgraced among them- then they will know that I am the Lord."T.E.V.

I am not saying tha Maria intended to disrespect the Lord.Her accident or action shows the rest of the world ,as it indeed dose here ,that it is time to slow down and meditate on Gods Commands that they are to be taken seriously and respected .His House or Temple is not a Church Ala Carte where we merely go to do weddings or funerals , drink tea after the "usual Service" and smile at friends and hearing what we want to hear."The outcome for the good of us all here is to question our motives for going to Church in the first instance.

 

[Tony Hyman]

I am pleased we agree Edward.Sorry that referance to Ezekiel 36:22 on Holiness was found on the advice of Prof Bob Hutley in his Understanding The Bible on Google.Its not me who is so bright I can assure you.