Women Teachers in School

[Kaliani]

I've read your posts and I don't see where you havn't been answered. Tell ya what, why don't you ask again and I'll give it my best shot. Not to promise I'll have an answer, let alone an answer you'll accept, but go on ahead and ask and I'll at least give it a shot.

Post #32?

 

[stovebolts]

Post #32?

1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

If we back up and take a look at the book of Timothy thus far, it starts out with the purpose of rejecting false doctrines that do not conform to the gospel or life of Christ. Basically Paul is calling out what is wrong. He then goes into a reflection where he recalls all the wrong he had done prior to his conversion as he recounts how he was a vile and cruel man. If we want to get in Paul's head, I'm sure he's remembering the stoning of Stephen in Acts 7. But what does Paul say on the matter except that he was shown mercy as an example to those who would be saved. In essence, Paul is saying if God can save me, he can save anyone... including those who are preaching false doctrines.

During this discourse, Paul states emphatically that he committed his crimes against God and Humanity in "ignorance and disbelief". If we look at the book of Numbers 15:22-36 we see how sins committed in ignorance are handled. We also see how somebody who is defiant is treated. This is in agreement with what Jesus stated in Matthew 18:15-17.

As a side note: When Jesus was on the cross what did he say? "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do". And what did Stephen say when he was being stoned? “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” Why? Because as Paul stated, he was ignorant and as Peter said in Acts 3:17 I know that you acted in ignorance, as did your leaders...

So very clearly we see that when Paul bring up Hymenaeus and Alexander, it is clear that these two who are preaching false doctrines are doing so defiantly, and not out of ignorance. Lets be very clear as Paul states. There is a difference between being ignorant and being defiant. This is why Paul says that their faith has become shipwrecked.

As with Stephen, Paul then goes into prayer and why we should pray and this brings us to Women in the church and more to your point, Adam and Eve.

3 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.

If Adam was not deceived, then he acted in defiant disobedience. Thus, Adam and Eve were "Cast out" of the garden. Cast out of perfect fellowship with God.

Does this get us moving in the right direction?

 

[Kaliani]

Yes. I think I understand what you mean. Thanks. :yes

 

[stovebolts]

Yes. I think I understand what you mean. Thanks. :yes

Welcome

 

[rrowell]

Not sure what your point is here.

As far as we know, apart from a section of Isaiah, the biblical texts we have were written by men.

And I am sure I have made no reference to the fact that the Bible is NOT inspired. You might want to point out the relative quote.

Here is what you said "

Re: Who nailed Him ?

Originally Posted by Robert Hern
I beleive the Bible is the Word of God

The biblical texts were written by men, probably men, who were trying to understand what God revealed to them. For those who suggest God somehow 'wrote' the Bible one has to ask - which Bible did God intend to write? There are many Bibles nearly all of them different.

I urge you to study the Bible but they first thing you will have to study is how we got the Bible.​

That's quite clear you think men simply thought they penned the word of God, I would say that would leave out inspiration?

 

[wayseer]

Just because it was humans who wrote the words of the biblical texts does not mean the words are any the less inspired.

In fact, the reason the texts we have have been made into a Bible demonstrates that a selection process was involved. This process was also 'inspired' by men who identified the 'inspiration' of those texts.

I'm really not sure the point you are trying to make - other than you believe humanity is less than 'inspiring'.

 

[BornAgain]

Just because it was humans who wrote the words of the biblical texts does not mean the words are any the less inspired.

In fact, the reason the texts we have have been made into a Bible demonstrates that a selection process was involved. This process was also 'inspired' by men who identified the 'inspiration' of those texts.

I'm really not sure the point you are trying to make - other than you believe humanity is less than 'inspiring'.

Rev 22:9, 10 KJV

The Bible was written by prophets....

Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

Angels, prophets of old, and the apostles were all moved by the same Spirit, and were therefore "brethren" in prophetic labors. John should no more worship the angel than the angel worship John. The angel was a fellow servant with those who "keep the words of this book"; he obeyed God in revealing the prophecies and they obey in keeping them.

Revelation 22:19 (KJV)
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 

[rrowell]

Just because it was humans who wrote the words of the biblical texts does not mean the words are any the less inspired.

If you mean that because the bible was written by "inspired" men makes the written words the "the true word of God", I agree with you.

If you think because they were in fact "men" that penned it and by that takes away inspiration of the written word, then I have a problem with that, it is like believing the words in red have more authority than those in black, it is all the inspired word of God, just as authoritative as if God wrote them with his own finger.

In fact, the reason the texts we have have been made into a Bible demonstrates that a selection process was involved. This process was also 'inspired' by men who identified the 'inspiration' of those texts.

The men that assembled the word of God into a single bound book were NOT inspired, placing inspired words in a binder in any order requires no inspiration.

I'm really not sure the point you are trying to make - other than you believe humanity is less than 'inspiring'.

Humanity (aside from the prophets and apostles) is not inspired... this is why it is important when translation from the original language to say English should be kept as close as "humanly" possible, this is the problem with most modern Bibles today, they move away from translation toward interpretation, the two are not the same.

 

[wayseer]

If you mean that because the bible was written by "inspired" men makes the written words the "the true word of God", I agree with you.

Then we agree on this point.

If you think because they were in fact "men" that penned it and by that takes away inspiration of the written word, then I have a problem with that, it is like believing the words in red have more authority than those in black, it is all the inspired word of God, just as authoritative as if God wrote them with his own finger.

Just because the words of men may be 'inspired' does not mean that the words were therefore 'written by God'.

The men that assembled the word of God into a single bound book were NOT inspired, placing inspired words in a binder in any order requires no inspiration.

I suggest otherwise. The history of how we ended up with what we now call the Bible was long and prayerful process - just as the texts it contains were prayerfully considered.

Humanity (aside from the prophets and apostles) is not inspired... this is why it is important when translation from the original language to say English should be kept as close as "humanly" possible, this is the problem with most modern Bibles today, they move away from translation toward interpretation, the two are not the same.

I happen to think there are any number of 'inspired' men and women who have graced the pages of human wisdom.

Translation is interpretation.

 

[rrowell]

Then we agree on this point.



Just because the words of men may be 'inspired' does not mean that the words were therefore 'written by God'.



I suggest otherwise. The history of how we ended up with what we now call the Bible was long and prayerful process - just as the texts it contains were prayerfully considered.



I happen to think there are any number of 'inspired' men and women who have graced the pages of human wisdom.

Translation is interpretation.

We are off topic, I think you are wrong, and if you would like to continue on the difference of "translation" vs "interpretation" we can continue in this thread :

versions of the bible

Inspiration is from the Greek "God Breathed" and you or I or any scholar today does not have this, but only the guidance of the Holy Spirit available to us:


James 1:5 (KJV)
5. If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

 

[elijah23]

Hi,

In 1 Timothy 2:12, when Paul says that women shouldn't have authority over men, is he talking only about the church, or would it apply in other settings as well? I have some women as teachers in my classes, and now that I think about it I'm not sure if that's something I should avoid or not.

Jesus told us to be just:

Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law, justice and mercy and faith; these you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. Matt 23:23 RSV

I might suggest, then, you treat women justly.

 

[BornAgain]

Jesus told us to be just:

Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law, justice and mercy and faith; these you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. Matt 23:23 RSV

I might suggest, then, you treat women justly.

elijah23,

How does Matt 23:23 apply to this topic? I don't get the connection....