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Jethro Bodine said:
'Like' on this part for sure.


I can't like this because my personal experience with strong, confident Christian, and non-Christian women is that they are full of pride and are strong willed. Those qualities are distasteful in either sex. They just seem to be all the more inappropriate for the woman Peter describes.
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I agree.
 
Deborah13 said:
Jethro, every government, every business, every kingdom, has to have someone who has the final say. That is just common sense.
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Then you agree that men and women are NOT equal in this regard in the home and in the church?
 
I think that the Bible says that the men should be the Spiritual head in the home and in the Church.
 
Kathi said:
I totally agree with you.I see more cleavage in the tops that women wear.I do not understand why they want so much of their body showing.I personally think it is gross.
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As a man I'm not grossed out by it, but I am disgusted by it. I can't understand a woman who needs to advertise that way. That quality of character about them--the need to advertise--makes them very unattractive to me.
 
:biggrin2 we each have our roles in home and church and if we are fulfilling them we are equally in our correct places in the Lord :biggrin2
 
Jethro Bodine said:
As a man I'm not grossed out by it, but I am disgusted by it. I can't understand a woman who needs to advertise that way. That quality of character about them--the need to advertise--makes them very unattractive to me.
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Deborah13 said:
Why "let"? What will you do to stop her?


"Continue" to dress that way? If you didn't like the way she dressed before you married her, why in the world would you marry her and then except her to change?


Well at least you can see my husband's point. Sometimes he does just that, poke poke, just to get a rise out of me. It's all in good fun. But he also likes it that I will state my opinion. There's nothing worse than a person who is too lazy to think and reason. But I imagine that there are men and women alike who prefer a slave.
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What I mean by "let" is ambiguous I suppose. I wouldn't dream of telling the wife how she must dress, and she can pick her own outfits and so forth. Until it goes extreme then that's when I would say something. That's what I mean. Luckily I never had that issue arise. :)

What I mean there, is I can see a woman dressing herself up if she's looking for a mate, and putting on the frills and lipstick and stuff, but after she's married she shouldn't continue to dress herself as if she's on the market. She can dress nice, even very nice, but I think there's a difference in dressing up nice and dressing to catch a man. Wouldn't you agree?

Yeah, it can be a lot of fun to do the poke poke thing as long as it's in fun and not controlling or hostile. Many times women will poke the man and they think she is starting a fight, but she's not, she's just testing him and wants him to stand up to her. Though sometimes they are starting a fight. One should be able to tell the difference. I appreciate a woman who will state her opinion and not be so submissive that she's afraid to speak up. To me, that's part of help meet. Women can have good ideas too.

The lazy guys and the controlling guys both have problems. What fun is a slave woman? It might sound good on paper but would be boring upon boring in real life. I think a lot of the so called whipped guys who let the wife make all the decisions are many times just lazy. Sure honey whatever you want...I don't think women like that in a man, and I don't like it in a woman.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
You have to care when a woman doesn't recognize and heed the Biblical fact that men and women are NOT categorically equal in all things. It can make trouble that has to be addressed sooner or later.
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Love never fails.
All your biblical facts fall short of love.
 
Edward said:
What I mean by "let" is ambiguous I suppose. I wouldn't dream of telling the wife how she must dress, and she can pick her own outfits and so forth. Until it goes extreme then that's when I would say something. That's what I mean. Luckily I never had that issue arise. :)

What I mean there, is I can see a woman dressing herself up if she's looking for a mate, and putting on the frills and lipstick and stuff, but after she's married she shouldn't continue to dress herself as if she's on the market. She can dress nice, even very nice, but I think there's a difference in dressing up nice and dressing to catch a man. Wouldn't you agree?
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No I don't agree. Two things here.
1) How disappointing for a man when a woman dresses up for him before they are married but not maintain herself afterwards. What's that about?
2) If a woman doesn't like to dress up all the time and won't after they are married she shouldn't present herself as if she intends too. That's just plain wrong in my perspective.
3) I wouldn't want a man who was attracted to me because I dressed one way before he caught me and then changed afterwards.

Yeah, it can be a lot of fun to do the poke poke thing as long as it's in fun and not controlling or hostile. Many times women will poke the man and they think she is starting a fight, but she's not, she's just testing him and wants him to stand up to her. Though sometimes they are starting a fight. One should be able to tell the difference. I appreciate a woman who will state her opinion and not be so submissive that she's afraid to speak up. To me, that's part of help meet. Women can have good ideas too.
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I've never tested my dh, I think that is immature and frankly dumb. I may not be happy with the consequences.
I think you have clarified what you have stated.
I really do believe that you think woman have good ideas, too. :)


The lazy guys and the controlling guys both have problems. What fun is a slave woman? It might sound good on paper but would be boring upon boring in real life. I think a lot of the so called whipped guys who let the wife make all the decisions are many times just lazy. Sure honey whatever you want...I don't think women like that in a man, and I don't like it in a woman.[/QUOTE]
 
Jethro is right. Scripturally, the husband is the head of the wife and is the leader. What you guys have going here is an argument of semantics I think. The women are so defensive about this scripture because it sounds bad on paper and a little degrading in position. Jethro is speaking in a technical scriptural position and not necessarily a practical everyday type of practice.

While the husband is the authority in the marriage and is the head of the wife, we must also remember that the authority involved is not an everyday thing to put into practice. Husbands are to love the wife as Christ loved the Church and must be wrought with love and mercy and understanding. Christ died for the Church and is a very very reasonable, longsuffering and loving God, overflowing with patience and understanding. While He is our God, He...acts more like a friend than a governmental authority figure. But He is the authority.

...so a man leaves his father and mother and cleaves unto his wife, and they are one flesh...this is deeper than a physical coupling of the flesh. She is a part of you and you are one. How fair would you be with yourself? So it is with a husband and wife. If a discussion is going on and they can not agree on a course of action...then it is on the husband to make the final decision on it. But with the right attitude and heart. That's what it means.
 
reba said:
:biggrin2 we each have our roles in home and church and if we are fulfilling them we are equally in our correct places in the Lord :biggrin2
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Come on, Reebs, that doesn't mean women are equal to men in all things.
 
and i had a silly idea it it was a good line :cries you were supost to laugh Jethro
 
Jethro Bodine said:
The church rationalizing and rejecting the word of God in the name of love has created such a horrible mess.
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Like I said we are in the End Times it is going to get really ugly.I do not know how bad it will get before the rapture of the Church

2 Timothy 3:13 13 But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived.
 
There are not words to convey how much i wish my DH was a spiritual leader... he is not even a good catholic.. :neutral
Having witnessed Godly leadership in the home i know what is lacking...

Some how Jethro i get the idea we have some what the same situation from the opposite sides..
 
Edward
"If a discussion is going on and they can not agree on a course of action...then it is on the husband to make the final decision on it. But with the right attitude and heart. That's what it means."

:amen And means that she concedes graciously, no pouting or revenge is allowed.
 
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