World wide crop failures

[Elijah674]

Who in there right mind would not want this ending? When a glass of water is dumped there is no way to put it back together, we just understand that it is over with its 'work' FINISHED! (as is Eccl. 12:13-14)

God has done the Jude Love & Fear way to have His creation 'WAKE UP' & accept Him over & over again, and this was.. nor is not, to DESTROY & hate the person, but IS BECAUSE OF LOVE! Even Josh. 7 gave Achan several opportunities to repent. And he knew what his fate was to be! And many of these ones do not yet know.

Nothing moves these lost ones in this FINAL rejecting state of their FINISHED Sin. And this Matt. 24:21 time is not only food failures!! And even in this time period finds many worldwide ones in fear with this being the only means for God to AWAKEN them to accept Christ. (Jude 1:22-23 again) The Lord does not care why one truely repents, but just that they will do so! And it is then & only then that He can recreate them with the New Birth! Then 'fear' is gone! Compare Acts 7:55

And, ALL OF THE OTHERS??? These of Rev. 17:1-5?? And these ones of Matt. 7's Broadway?? These are [PROPHESIED AS THE ABOMINATION OF THE EARTH!] Fact, DONE DEAL! There was NOTHING MORE THAT GOD COULD DO TO SAVE THEM! They are like that glass of spilt water. Their 120 years of STRIVING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS FINISHED! (and they would not budge!)

So, their End had come probation/wise. And God in His great mercy is FINISHING this great drama up, with 'forcing His creation of humans to make a Decission'! [Catch/word] FORCING THEM TO MAKE A FINAL DECISION. Accept Him or not to accept Him. Free/Will!

Here is the ETERNAL TRUTH for the Universe to Contemplate...
Isa. 5
[4] What could have been done more to my vineyard, that I have not done in it? wherefore, when I looked that it should bring forth grapes, brought it forth wild grapes?

(And the answer is, that NOTHING MORE COULD BE DONE!)

And our Agape Christian LOVE?? Is to hate sin, but LOVE the sinner. We accept that the free choice of life or death was theirs to make. And JUSTICE will be as God has before hand documented it. Obad. 1:16. And that the vilest offenders are not as we might think.

Luke 12:47-48
And us & our LOVE?? Why are we only considering the hurt + pain & even this first death while it still is not OVER yet, while we can answer to why we did not consider the Eternal Second Death for these ones while there still is time?? This is why this time is come to begin with, and we just flat site on the fence????

--Elijah

 

[Nathan]

We see this contrast when the Israelites cross the Red Sea. God does not take pleasure in the destruction of people. After Pharaoh and all his horsmen were drowned, Isreal finds herself thirsty contending with the bitter waters at Marah (Exodus 15), from there, we see the 12 wells of water representing the 12 tribes and the 70 palm trees, representing the 70 Elders at Elim.

This poses the question, was Miriam just in her rejoicing to the LORD?

I think the line we must draw is the line of joyful delight in the power of God, verses what the power of God causes.

When our focus is on that which is around us, on the earth, then we rejoice in the power of God which is seen poured out on the people. But like Miriam, our focus should be on the power of God manifesting His greatness. Its a tuff, tuff line. But I think it can be clearly seen when we look at which direction the gaze of the human eye looks.

When the gaze looks down at mankind with a scoffing 'you done messed up' look, then its wrong. When it looks up at God and rejoices to see the King manifesting His authority, then its right.

The glass of water has been spilt. Indeed. But I do not think it should become a time of rejoicing to see the ink on the paper being washed away. Rather, because the glass of water has been spilt it should be a time of looking to God for what He will fill the glass back with.

We ALL long for the kingdom of God to be set up and dwell with the King forever and ever. Jesus never rebuked the disciples for desiring the kingdom. But He did rebuke them when they wanted to see the destruction of the very people who flat out DID NOT WANT A PART OF HIM.

Luk 9:53 But the people did not receive him, because his face was set toward Jerusalem. And when his disciples James and John saw it, they said, "Lord, do you want us to tell fire to come down from heaven and consume them?" But he turned and rebuked them.

Even though Jesus had given them a chance, they would not receive Him. And even still He did not rejoice in the thought of their death. Jesus did not rebuke the disciples because they could call down fire, He rebuked them because they saw the people as getting their 'just' reward.

 

[stovebolts]

A most excellent answer Nathan.
Thank you for sharing

 

[Elijah674]

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I personally see 'TIME' a top Doctrine in the Master's Word. Never are we to run out in front of the Lord! Daniel taught.. 'IN THE MIDST OF THE WEEK..'

Elijah here:
Jesus wept over Jerusalem. Hell is called God's STRANGE ACT. But it will be so! True Justice is True Agape Love. (Law & Grace!) But when 'i' think to know what is in another mind, 'i' think that 'i' have crossed the line.

The post states for a fact..
'Even though Jesus had given them a chance, they would not receive Him. And even still He did not rejoice in the thought of their death. Jesus did not rebuke the disciples because they could call down fire, [He rebuked them because they saw the people as getting their 'just' reward.']

One is allowed to judge as they want,but here is how 'i' see it, right or wrong!

Matt. 8:29, 'art Thou come to torment us before our time?'

Eccl. 3:17, '.. God shall judge the rightous and the wicked: for there is [A TIME THERE FOR EVERY PURPOSE AND FOR EVERY WORK].'

Eccl. 8:6, 'Because [TO EVERY PURPOSE THERE IS TIME AND JUDGEMENT],..'

Dan. 8:17-19, '[APPOINTED TIME +]' + Heb. 5:12 'a time that we aught be' teachers?? perhaps?;)

Acts 1:7 is the lesson to be learned as 'i' see it, [Right or Wrong]. 'And He said unto them, It is not for you to lnow the 'times or seasons' which the Father hath put IN HIS OWN POWER'
Yet, we can even reads these ones hearts + motives??? and one say's?? '..a time of rejoicing to see the ink on the paper being washed away.'???? Whatever??
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[Nathan]

Your right. I spoke out of my own judgement. It should have been left to the Spirit to inturpret. Who knows why the disciples wanted to burn the people. But we can indeed know for sure that it was not the appointed time and therefore was why Jesus rebuked them.

I still think that there is also a thread of stern reproving in this matter verses other times when they were not "rebuked" for their 'jumping' ahead. Whatever their motive was, it came from their heart. For that, I believe, they were corrected because it was not following the heart of their Master...obviously.

So this is a rebuke on my own self for not following, but pre-judging.

 

[stovebolts]

With all due respect Elijah, if Jesus had rebuked them because it was not yet their time (As you stated), he would have said so.

But Jesus gives us his reason for rebuke, so again, we don't have to guess it, because we are told the why...

Luke 9:55-56 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

This affirms Nathan's original insight as it confirms the bitter waters at Marah. God does not take pleasure in the destruction of humanity.

As far as Matt. 8:29, 'art Thou come to torment us before our time?'

This too affirms Jesus desire to save man, for Jesus was speaking to the demons inside of man, and not man. Read further, and Jesus cast the demons into a herd of swine, and the man was saved...

Is it any wonder why then, that there is such great rejoicing in heaven when one is saved?....

 

[Elijah674]

Your right. I spoke out of my own judgement. It should have been left to the Spirit to inturpret. Who knows why the disciples wanted to burn the people. But we can indeed know for sure that it was not the appointed time and therefore was why Jesus rebuked them.

I still think that there is also a thread of stern reproving in this matter verses other times when they were not "rebuked" for their 'jumping' ahead. Whatever their motive was, it came from their heart. For that, I believe, they were corrected because it was not following the heart of their Master...obviously.

So this is a rebuke on my own self for not following, but pre-judging.

There were some good thought brought out. But even the rebukes were mostly before the cross. (get behind me satan was said when?!) Remember that they 'all' forsook Him. (Matt. 26:56) And it was Christ that signaled out Peter & stated that satan desired to 'sift' him, (bottom/line) and that [after thou are converted] go..! Luke 22:31-32 Before being Converted - Matt. 26:75 - Born

Again. Peter still made some few mistakes though, huh? But NONE that were glaring! (such as Eternal Covenant breaking ones)
Paul called Peter down for being 'two/faced'?? Whatever? And even that was because it was done in a crowd, or it would not have been public, huh? ;)

--Elijah