You are gods

[CherubRam]

All who will inherit life immortal are gods. Psalm 82:6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’ 7 But you will die like mere mortals; you will fall like every other ruler.”

Genesis 6:2
the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were beautiful, and they took any they chose as wives for themselves.

Genesis 6:4
The Nephilim were on the earth both in those days and afterwards, when the sons of God came to the daughters of men, and who bore children to them. They were the powerful men of old, men of renown.
[Nephilim translated means "Fallen ones." They were [men] who were of a very low moral grade.]

Job 1:6
One day the sons of God [men] came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.

Job 2:1
One day the sons of God came again to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them to present himself before the LORD.

Job 38:7
while the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Hos. 1:10
“Yet the Israelites will be like the sand on the seashore, which cannot be measured or counted. In the place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’ they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’

Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers, because they will be called sons of God.

Luke 20:36
For they cannot die anymore, because they are like [angels/messengers] and are sons of God, since they are sons of the resurrection.

Galatians 3:26
for you are all sons of God through faith in Messiah Yahshua.

Psalm 82:6
I said, "You are (gods / elohiym;) you are all sons of the Most High.

John 10:33-34
33"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."
34 Yahshua answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are (gods / elohiym) 35If he called them ('gods / elohiym,) to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken— 36what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?

Yahshua was asked if he was the Messiah, he was not asked if he was God. It has always been understood that the Messiah would be a god from Heaven.

John 10:24. The Jews who were there gathered around him, asking, “How long will you keep us in suspense, if you’re the Messiah, tell us plainly?”

 

[CherubRam]

Adoption to sonship

Malachi 2:15
Has not the one God made you? You belong to him in body and spirit. And what does the one God seek? Godly offspring.


Romans 8:15
The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.”

Romans 8:23
Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies.

Romans 9:4
the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption to sonship; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises.

Galatians 4:5
to redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship.

Ephesians 1:5
he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will—

 

[CherubRam]

I would like to point out that there is only one person who is truly a God; and that is Yahwah our Holy Father. The term (elohiym / gods) is used to mean that the person-s, have, or will have, life immortal. The term "gods" does not mean the people have any special powers.

 

[Free]

I would like to point out that there is only one person who is truly a God; and that is Yahwah our Holy Father.

Yahweh includes the Son and the Holy Spirit.

 

[CherubRam]

Yahweh includes the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Where in the bible is that?

 

[Free]

Where in the bible is that?

All over the NT--John 1:1-3, 18; John 8:23-24, 58; 14:16; 17:5, 24; Rom 10:9-13; 1 Cor 8:6; Col 1:16-17; Heb 1:8-12, among others. You could always check out a thread on the Trinity.

 

[CherubRam]

Yahweh includes the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Let me ask again. Where in the bible does Yahwah say His Son is the One True God?

 

[hawkman]

Genesis 6:4
The Nephilim were on the earth both in those days and afterwards, when the sons of God came to the daughters of men, and who bore children to them. They were the powerful men of old, men of renown.
[Nephilim translated means "Fallen ones." They were [men] who were of a very low moral grade.]

Giants in those days and afterwards .
King James Bible
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Afterwards .

Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

 

[CherubRam]

Giants in those days and afterwards .
King James Bible
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Afterwards .

Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

The Hebrew says: Nephilim
There is no mention of giants.

 

[Free]

Let me ask again. Where in the bible does Yahwah say His Son is the One True God?

Jesus claimed to be the I Am, at least twice. The purpose of John’s prologue is to show who the Word is, and the Word is the preincarnate Christ who is God. Since there is only one true God, and since Jesus, the Son, is also God, then Jesus is the one true God. There are no other actual, living gods.

 

[hawkman]

Job 1:6
One day the sons of God [men] came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.

I must ask do you propose to rewrite this bible verse to your specs , just as you did above ?

What bible version of Job 1:6 has the word [men] in it ?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I always find the Christian’s use of Jehovah or Yahweh playing right into the hands of atheists. They very much like putting the One True God into the category of Zeus, Thor, Shiva and so on. Just one of many who need “personal” names to distinguish one from another.

God actually said to Moses when asked about his name, “I am.” Tell them I am sent you. This is God’s view of designating a “personal name” to Him. It does Him no honor but aids the cause of those against Him.

 

[Free]

I always find the Christian’s use of Jehovah or Yahweh playing right into the hands of atheists. They very much like putting the One True God into the category of Zeus, Thor, Shiva and so on. Just one of many who need “personal” names to distinguish one from another.

God actually said to Moses when asked about his name, “I am.” Tell them I am sent you. This is God’s view of designating a “personal name” to Him. It does Him no honor but aids the cause of those against Him.

This is what God says:

Exo 3:14 God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
Exo 3:15 God also said to Moses, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations.
Exo 3:16 Go and gather the elders of Israel together and say to them, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, has appeared to me, saying, “I have observed you and what has been done to you in Egypt, (ESV)
Notice that in verse 15, God also refers to himself as YHWH and then says that is his name. And in Gen 15, when first making the covenant with Abram:

Gen 15:7 And he said to him, “I am the LORD who brought you out from Ur of the Chaldeans to give you this land to possess.” (ESV)

I don’t see how calling God Yahweh or Jehovah plays into anyone’s hands, much less atheists.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

This is what God says:

Exo 3:14 God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
Exo 3:15 God also said to Moses, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations.
Exo 3:16 Go and gather the elders of Israel together and say to them, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, has appeared to me, saying, “I have observed you and what has been done to you in Egypt, (ESV)
Notice that in verse 15, God also refers to himself as YHWH and then says that is his name. And in Gen 15, when first making the covenant with Abram:

Gen 15:7 And he said to him, “I am the LORD who brought you out from Ur of the Chaldeans to give you this land to possess.” (ESV)

I don’t see how calling God Yahweh or Jehovah plays into anyone’s hands, much less atheists.

God said “I am” has sent you as you quoted. That is literally what He said. Notice Jesus referred to Him as “the One True God” showing he isn’t to be distinguished among MANY gods. Jesus never ever used “Yahweh” when referring to Him or speaking to Him. Never.

That’s because He is the One True. We have names because we are one among many. Atheists love referring to the One as “Yahweh” because it means he is just one among many same as other beings. They’ll mention Yahweh in the same sentence as Zeus, Shiva, Thor and the Spaghetti Monster…all equals.

If the Almighty needs a “personal” name, it’s because we think He is just one among many. Atheists love that handle. If we call Him the One, then we are saying there is only one and so He needs no name.That is the designated Jesus used and no atheist will go there.

So if we use “Yahweh” they agree with us. We worship that god and Muslims worship a different god and Hindus another god….all equals….all the same validity….Yahweh, just one among many so a name is needed.

 

[Free]

God said “I am” has sent you as you quoted. That is literally what He said.

That is one thing that God said in what I quoted. He also clearly says his name that he is to be known by is YHWH. This is probably why I Am only appears in once in the OT as God's name and YHWH well over 6,000 times. It also appears that YHWH is the same or very closely related to I Am, so that all makes sense.

'The name YHWH comes from Exodus 3:14, where God speaks to Moses in the burning bush. The name “YHWH” means “I Am who I Am,” highlighting that God does not change and will be faithful to his promises and covenants to his people.'

https://www.christianity.com/wiki/christian-terms/why-tetragrammaton-important-for-christians.html

Notice Jesus referred to Him as “the One True God” showing he isn’t to be distinguished among MANY gods.

That is one way in which Jesus referred to God, but he also referred to him as God and YHWH.

Jesus never ever used “Yahweh” when referring to Him or speaking to Him. Never.

That isn't necessarily true. The first thing to notice is that the NT was written in Greek, and I doubt Jesus spent all his time talking to Jews in Greek. Secondly, the Septuagint uses kurios for YHWH. Thirdly, the use of kurios for YHWH is also seen throughout the NT, even by Jesus:

Deu 6:16 “You shall not put the LORD your God to the test, as you tested him at Massah.

Mat 4:7 Jesus said to him, “Again it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’”

Deu 6:13 It is the LORD your God you shall fear. Him you shall serve and by his name you shall swear.

Mat 4:10 Then Jesus said to him, “Be gone, Satan! For it is written, “‘You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve.’”

Deu 6:4 “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
Deu 6:5 You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might.

Mar 12:29 Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
Mar 12:30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’

(All ESV.)

There are other instances as well, but this should suffice to show that Jesus did refer to the one true God as YHWH. It is also why Jesus is often referred to as Lord, because he is the one true God as well.

That’s because He is the One True. We have names because we are one among many. Atheists love referring to the One as “Yahweh” because it means he is just one among many same as other beings. They’ll mention Yahweh in the same sentence as Zeus, Shiva, Thor and the Spaghetti Monster…all equals.

Your conclusion doesn't follow.

If the Almighty needs a “personal” name, it’s because we think He is just one among many.

It's because he says he has a name and it is YHWH. He is a personal being, so why shouldn't he also have a name by which his people can call him and call on him?

Atheists love that handle. If we call Him the One, then we are saying there is only one and so He needs no name.That is the designated Jesus used and no atheist will go there.

They go there all the time. Refer to God as the one true God and they'll just go back to arguing to Zeus, Shiva, Thor, and the Spaghetti Monster. There is no difference to them.

So if we use “Yahweh” they agree with us.

If the Judeo-Christian God has given his name as YHWH, and he is the one true God, then why shouldn't they agree with us?

We worship that god and Muslims worship a different god and Hindus another god….all equals….all the same validity….Yahweh, just one among many so a name is needed.

You say a name is needed but 1) God gave us his name, YHWH, and 2) you also said "He needs no name." Does he need a name or not? Also, in no way does it follow that this means all these other "gods" are "equals" and have "the same validity."

 

[Dorothy Mae]

That is one thing that God said in what I quoted. He also clearly says his name that he is to be known by is YHWH.

And Jesus never used it or taught it. Never. What is more, He has a totally different “name” in other languages. Obviously that word has no importance to him. Knowing He is the One True IS significant.

This is probably why I Am only appears in once in the OT as God's name and YHWH well over 6,000 times. It also appears that YHWH is the same or very closely related to I Am, so that all makes sense.

And yet Jesus and the Apostles never used it.

'The name YHWH comes from Exodus 3:14, where God speaks to Moses in the burning bush. The name “YHWH” means “I Am who I Am,” highlighting that God does not change and will be faithful to his promises and covenants to his people.'

https://www.christianity.com/wiki/christian-terms/why-tetragrammaton-important-for-christians.html

Yes I know the history and what is more, I know why He did so then and why Jesus never used it.

That is one way in which Jesus referred to God, but he also referred to him as God and YHWH.

Where did Jesus say YHWH? Scripture with that word, please. Yes Jesus talked about God. I mean that’s not worth mentioning.

That isn't necessarily true. The first thing to notice is that the NT was written in Greek, and I doubt Jesus spent all his time talking to Jews in Greek.

How is this important? Names always have counterparts in other languages. “Jesus” wasn’t what they called him either.

Secondly, the Septuagint uses kurios for YHWH.

That plays no role.YHWH is in the OT. But the pronunciation was purposely lost. This you’re missing.

Thirdly, the use of kurios for YHWH is also seen throughout the NT, even by Jesus:

That is still not Yahweh, not by a long shot. And, that word was no longer pronounced. Even his disciples never asked how to pronounce that word.

Deu 6:16 “You shall not put the LORD your God to the test, as you tested him at Massah.

Mat 4:7 Jesus said to him, “Again it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’”

He spoke Aramaic. Did the disciples know who he meant in Aramaic? That was the point.

Deu 6:13 It is the LORD your God you shall fear. Him you shall serve and by his name you shall swear.

No record of Him saying the word they no longer pronounced.

Mat 4:10 Then Jesus said to him, “Be gone, Satan! For it is written, “‘You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve.’”

Deu 6:4 “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
Deu 6:5 You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might.

Mar 12:29 Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
Mar 12:30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’

(All ESV.)

YHWH is not there. It was no longer spoken. However, the Jews still quoted that verse and others but “YHwh” could no longer be pronounced. It has not been for centuries.

There are other instances as well, but this should suffice to show that Jesus did refer to the one true God as YHWH. It is also why Jesus is often referred to as Lord, because he is the one true God as well.

Well duh! Of course Jesus referred to the One True God. He called him “Father.”

Your conclusion doesn't follow.

You quote verses where no Jew knew how to pronounce YHWH and insist Jesus did. You quote verses where Jesus talked about God as though he seldom did and I’m saying he said nothing whatsoever about God!

It's because he says he has a name and it is YHWH.

His name is different in other languages and not close. Jesus said he is the ONE True God.

He is a personal being, so why shouldn't he also have a name by which his people can call him and call on him?

Because it makes him on the level of Zeus, Shiva, Thor, Helena, etc whom men can also call upon.

They go there all the time. Refer to God as the one true God and they'll just go back to arguing to Zeus, Shiva, Thor, and the Spaghetti Monster. There is no difference to them.

If we agree to use the names THEY choose we support their position. They refuse to use “God” because it requires them to take a position they refuse. I care for them.

If the Judeo-Christian God has given his name as YHWH, and he is the one true God, then why shouldn't they agree with us?

Because “Yahweh” is not the word spoken to Moses. We are fooling ourselves.

Besides, the people who call a man by his first name are not his children. Those are people who aren’t close to that man.

You say a name is needed but 1) God gave us his name, YHWH, and 2) you also said "He needs no name."

No name is needed, He is singular.

Does he need a name or not?

No

Also, in no way does it follow that this means all these other "gods" are "equals" and have "the same validity."

Yea it does. They all need a name to distinguish the one from another.

Free, I’m wrapping up the exchange. I know from experience it is best to do so at this point. Thank you.

 

[gordon777]

Let me ask again. Where in the bible does Yahwah say His Son is the One True God?

Where in the bible does God say He is above all ?

The Son has the throne of God, it is the Sons Kingdom, the angels worship the Son.

That Son also is is the Priest/High Priest of God, is the King of righteousness, ( Lord of lords, and King of kings) WITHOUT FATHER, without mother, no beginning of days, no end of life, the Son of God abides a Priest continually.

Those that come unto God by him, He ever lives to make intercession for them.



Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Hebrews 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Hebrews 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

 

[gordon777]

This is what God says:

Exo 3:14 God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
Exo 3:15 God also said to Moses, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations.
Exo 3:16 Go and gather the elders of Israel together and say to them, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, has appeared to me, saying, “I have observed you and what has been done to you in Egypt, (ESV)
Notice that in verse 15, God also refers to himself as YHWH and then says that is his name. And in Gen 15, when first making the covenant with Abram:

Gen 15:7 And he said to him, “I am the LORD who brought you out from Ur of the Chaldeans to give you this land to possess.” (ESV)

I don’t see how calling God Yahweh or Jehovah plays into anyone’s hands, much less atheists.

The name Israel knew, had to be a new name.


Isaiah 62:2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name.

Isaiah 65:15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.




It is the name of Jesus Christ given among men, which we are saved by. ( which the mouth of the Lord shall name. Isaiah 62:2.)

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Let me ask again. Where in the bible does Yahwah say His Son is the One True God?

Where in the Bible do we read, “And Yahweh said.”xyz”” discussing his nature at all??

 

[CherubRam]

Where in the Bible do we read, “And Yahweh said.”xyz”” discussing his nature at all??

Only Yahwah is called "The One True God."