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--You be the judge as to the Truth of this?--

I am wondering if any find this material 'ranting' or 'documented' truth?

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I picked this up on another site, and thought that it was interesting. I posted it here in three parts and it was in a 'thread' that it was not supposed to be in, :oops: and was deleated? (not moved) So, I will put it in another thread in three or four parts and see what transpires? I personally find part 4 very interesting. :wink:
---Elijah



Part 1:

On the evening of Saturday April 2, 2005, after receiving the Rite of Extreme Unction, Pope John Paul II passed away. At this time his chamberlain would have gone to the papal hospital bed and asked the Bishop of Rome a question, "Are you dead?" There would be no reply from the Pope. The chamberlain would then pick up a silver hammer and strike the Pope on the head and repeat his question, "Are you dead?" Again there would be no reply. The chamberlain would then thrice call out the Pope's baptismal name. He would then declare the Pope to be dead.

This is the way the Church has determined papal deaths for centuries. This is the way of the world's oldest monarchy.

Since 1763 the august Almanach de Gotha has been the ultimate authority on the royal houses of Europe. Listed under 'Reigning Sovereign Houses' is the Holy See. Therein is stated, "the incumbent of the Holy See is considered by Christian sovereign families as the 'Father of the Family of Kings,' [and] his Holiness represents the OLDEST MONARCHY on earth"

The triple sovereignty of the Pope-Person, Holy See & Vatican City--is distinct in fact and in law. Internationally, he is not subject to any authority on earth. His Cardinals are considered to be Princes of the Church and peers of the sons of reigning monarchs. Each diocese is considered to be a royal fiefdom. The word 'diocese' originally signified an administrative unit devised by the Emperor Diocletian, a tyrant noted for his persecution of Christians.

Following are brief sketches of some of the more interesting holders of the title 'Vicar of Christ' (it should be noted that the Latin equivalent of the Greek 'anti' is 'vicarius,' from whence is derived the word 'vicar').

Without a doubt, there was one Pope who was completely mad. In 896 Stephen VII set in motion the trial of his rival, the late Pope Formosus who had been dead for 9 months at the time. Formosus' corpse was dragged from its tomb and arrayed on a throne in the council chamber. The corpse, wrapped in a hair shirt, was provided with council, who wisely remained silent while Pope Stephen raved and screamed at it. The crime of Formosus was that he had crowned emperor one of the numerous illegitimate heirs of Charlemagne after first having performed the same office for a candidate favored by Stephen. After Stephen's rant, the corpse was stripped of its clothes and its fingers were chopped off. It was then dragged through the palace and hurled from a balcony to a howling mob below who threw it into the Tiber. The body was later rescued by people sympathetic to Formosus and given a quiet burial. Stephen was strangled to death a few years later.

In 964 Pope Benedict V raped a young girl and absconded to Constantinople with the papal treasury only to reappear when the money ran out. Church historian Gerbert called Benedict 'the most iniquitous of all the monsters of ungodliness.' The pontiff was eventually slain by a jealous husband. His corpse, bearing a hundred dagger wounds, was dragged through the streets before being tossed into a cesspit.

In October 1032 the papal miter was purchased for the 11-year old Benedict IX. Upon reaching his 14th year, a chronicler wrote that Benedict had already surpassed in wantonness and profligacy all who had preceded him. He often had to leave Rome in a hurry.

Gregory VII was a master forger, surpassing even the great fraud known as the 'Donation of Constantine,' the document that created the Papal States. Gregory had an entire school of forgers turning out document after document bearing the papal seal of approval. These documents were later systematized in the mid-1100s in Bologna by Gratian, a Benedictine monk. He called his work the Decretum, or Code of Canon Law. It was peppered throughout with several centuries of forgeries along with Gratian's own fictional additions. Gregory also formalized the celibacy doctrine in order to curtail the many gifts of church lands being given away to all of the illegitimate children of priests and bishops. According to Catholic historian Peter de Rosa in his book Vicars of Christ:

"Popes had mistresses as young as fifteen years of age, were guilty of incest and sexual perversions of every sort, had innumerable children, were murdered in the very act of adultery In the old Catholic phrase, why be holier than the Pope?"

Another interesting figure was Alexander VI (formerly Rodrigo Borgia). He reigned from 1492-1503. Alexander committed his first murder at the age of 12. Upon assuming the Papal miter he cried, "I am Pope, Vicar of Christ!" In his Decline and Fall Gibbon referred to Alexander as the Tiberius of Rome. Like his predecessor Innocent VIII, Alexander sired many children, baptized them personally and officiated at their weddings in the Vatican. He had ten known illegitimate children (including the notorious Cesare and Lucrezia), by his favorite mistress Vannoza Catanei. When she faded, Borgia took the 15-year old Giulia Farnese. Farnese obtained a Cardinal's red hat for her brother who later became Paul III.

Alexander was followed by Julius II who purchased the papacy with his own private fortune. He didn't even pretend to be a Christian. A notorious womanizer who sired any number of bastards, Julius was so eaten away with syphilis that he couldn't even expose his foot to be kissed.

(Part 2 will follow)
 
I don't know. I would find the documentation to support this stuff. Some of it isn't too crazy, scandel is something we have to expect sometimes, but the documentation is crucial in determining the truth in this.
 
While I doubt the accuracy of your post, there should be no doubt that ALL Popes were sinners. And yet all these Popes are were infallible in matters of faith. I see the power of the Holy Spirit at work.

JTB, are you so weak in your faith that you have to attack others to build yourself up?
 
John provides some stories, partially true, partially slanted of some of the few popes who did not unfortunately live moral lives.

"Popes had mistresses as young as fifteen years of age, were guilty of incest and sexual perversions of every sort, had innumerable children, were murdered in the very act of adultery In the old Catholic phrase, why be holier than the Pope?"

Which popes John? How many of them. Yes Alexander VI was not a very moral man and had children. I believe they were all before he became pope. Julius II (who actually was after Paul III, you cut and past is in error, I can tell it's a cut and paste because it is actually understandable as compared to your posts) was not the most moral man either and had aspirations of the papacy that lead perhaps to simony. So John picks a few here and there in order to cast a pale on all popes as child molesters.
Only Protestants like John continue to present the false notion that we think the papacy was filled by perfect people with saintly lives.


Now John, tell us which doctrinal changes these evil popes made in Catholic teaching? We can talk about Swaggart and Baker if you want. Oh, I know you will try to separate yourself from them. But scandal is not particular to Catholics and you in fact are capable of it yourself John. hate to tell ya. Anyway nice try again at trying to help the gates of hell prevail. It won't happen however.

Here is a list of Popes with quite honest histories of their lives.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12272b.htm

Do look at a broad spectrum of popes if you would so that you don't fall for John's picking out the worst and casting a pale over all. I hardly think that every Protestant pastor hangs out in cheap motels, practicing sex games with protestitutes like some of recent memory have done.

Blessings
 
By the way do we recall what that wicked david did with his friend so that his wife was available? How about those 11 apostles who abandoned Jesus at the cross? Perhaps we should tear out Paul's books from the Bible. For he said "the good that I would do I do not, while the EVIL that I would not do, I do". Life is such a struggle isn't it. I guess John is better than Paul. He seems to think he doesn't have struggles.
 
Part 2 of "--You be the judge as to the Truth of this?-

John here: Just a couple of thought questions before the post. Some think that Paul was still Saul after his Born Again experience? (unless 2 Corinthians 4:2 is knowingly applied?) See Pauls pen in Philippians 4:13 & 2 Corinthians 12:9. And then there is Peter? (pope Peter :roll:) When was he Born Again? See Matthew 26:75. It seems that some posters think that Peters.. 'Then Born Again Inspired writings', are Rantings? :sad See 2 Peter 2:19-22! And David & his printed open sin? (you did not catch that?? who penned this verse?) Did he hid it? Confess it & repent? See 2 Samuel 12:7-14, and when came the book of Psalms, before or after this repentance?

OK: Part two. And you be the judge, if God is the Same God Who Never Changes? as in Joshua 7:12's last part of the verse for who is their real leader?

_________

Part 2:

Under Leo X (1513-21)--who cursed and excommunicated Martin Luther-specific prices were enumerated by the Roman Chancery for every imaginable crime. For instance, a deacon accused of murder could be absolved for 20 crowns. Once pardoned, he could not be prosecuted by civil authorities. Two hundred years earlier, John XXII had done much the same thing, setting prices for crimes ranging from incest to sodomy.

During his pontificate Innocent VIII (1484-92) granted a 20-year Butterbriefe indulgence to persons who met his price. For a sum, one could purchase the privilege of eating favorite dishes during Lent.
Leo X (Giovanni de Medici) commissioned the Dominican friar Tetzel to sell indulgences which released one from purgatory. Tetzel's famous refrain went, "As soon as the coin in the coffer rings, a soul from purgatory springs!"

Pope Sixtus IV charged Roman brothels a Church tax. According to historian Will Durant, in 1490 there were 6800 registered prostitutes in Rome. Pius II declared that Rome was the only city run by bastards (the sons of Popes and Cardinals).

The iniquity of the various Popes has filled many books, and one has to wonder if the Church has been cursed from the very beginning. After all, Constantine leveled the Stadium of Caligula and the Temple of Apollo and used the stones and marble from them to erect the original basilica of Peter. Could he have been engaging in an act of sympathetic magic, as some have alleged? Constantine's choice of building materials might account for the observation made in Rome by Martin Luther centuries later who declared, "If there is a Hell, Rome is built over it. It is an abyss from whence issues every kind of sin."

Very brief mention should be made of the staggering scale of the Inquisition. In his History of the Inquisition, Canon Llorente, who was Secretary of the Inquistion in Madrid from 1790-92 estimated the number of condemned in Spain alone to have exceeded 3 million, with 300,000 burned at the stake. A Catholic historian comments on the events leading up to the suppression of the Spanish Inquisition:

"When Napoleon conquered Spain in 1808, a Polish officer in his army, Col. Lemanouski, reported that the Dominicans (in charge of the Inquisition) blockaded themselves in their monastery in Madrid. When Lemanouski's troops forced an entry, the inquisitors denied the existence of any torture chambers. The soldiers searched the monastery and discovered them under the floors. The chambers were full of prisoners, all naked, many insane. The French troops, used to cruelty and blood, could not stomach the sight. They emptied the torture chambers, laid gunpowder to the monastery and blew the place up"

Rome was truly drunk with the Martyr's blood.

And the Papacy isn't fairing much better in our modern age, and would appear to be in serious decline, if not in outright defeat.

(Part three will follow later on)

 
The Lord bless you all.

I, having been raised by a Catholic raised mother and father turned Baptist, have been taught the errors of many denominations. I will persist that the many in Catholic Church are good, well standing Christians. But I also continue in my opposition to Catholic traditions, (among the people, not official doctrine) insomuch as many Catholics, like any other denomination, are Catholic because that's how there parents were raised. I have often been alarmed at the general disprespect to the infallibility of the Scriptures.

As for the Papacy, the problem lies in that, as the last remaining institution of Rome, it became a politcal office to rule the nations of Europe, and men seeking power would often grab it to oppress the masses. We know that the Lord still persisted to move because Martin Luther challenged the Vatican to bring back sound doctrine.

And as for the Pope's infallibility on Faith, I vehemently protest. When was the last time a Pope has not caved to politcal popularity? Even John Paul, whom I feel is the best thing to happen to the Vatican in some time, was way off in many positions of faith, simply for keeping silent on different subjects.

And I am sorry that this seems to be turning into a Catholic bashing thread, so I invite you fire away at my own denomination if you please. Lord knows we need a little instruction of our own.
 
GundamZero said:
The Lord bless you all.

I, having been raised by a Catholic raised mother and father turned Baptist, have been taught the errors of many denominations. I will persist that the many in Catholic Church are good, well standing Christians. But I also continue in my opposition to Catholic traditions, (among the people, not official doctrine) insomuch as many Catholics, like any other denomination, are Catholic because that's how there parents were raised. I have often been alarmed at the general disprespect to the infallibility of the Scriptures.

As for the Papacy, the problem lies in that, as the last remaining institution of Rome, it became a politcal office to rule the nations of Europe, and men seeking power would often grab it to oppress the masses. We know that the Lord still persisted to move because Martin Luther challenged the Vatican to bring back sound doctrine.

And as for the Pope's infallibility on Faith, I vehemently protest. When was the last time a Pope has not caved to politcal popularity? Even John Paul, whom I feel is the best thing to happen to the Vatican in some time, was way off in many positions of faith, simply for keeping silent on different subjects.

And I am sorry that this seems to be turning into a Catholic bashing thread, so I invite you fire away at my own denomination if you please. Lord knows we need a little instruction of our own.

*****

Hi, I highlighted two of your remarks that I agree with! :fadein:
I have worked with a clear question asked of any catholic membership. And it was that of who the person believed was to be obeyed? Acts 5:32 Christ's Word or the church of Rome? One answer, to my way of thinking, is a waste of time, and the other answer was that of perhaps a good catholic? I say perhaps, because I cannot & do not attempt to try to read [anyones] motives.

About catholic bashing? Read your post again! :wink: But, you 'personally' will hear from a couple others here who are viewed by me as the other kind of catholic. (both posters 'postings' are a waste of the Master's time so far, as 'i' see it) Pope & church arm of flesh tradition over the Word of God. :sad

Regardless, we both agree on there being many catholics still in the yoked membership who are Christ's... "MY PEOPLE" Who cannot accept a infallible church or pope who will not ever agree to give the Master's CALL TO COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE in Revelation 18:4 or be PARTAKERS OF HER SINS. Partakers?? Think on that one when reading the rest of the 4 parts! Even what tithes & offerings support? :crying:

---John
 
Having grown up as a catholic, I can tell you that it is a false religion. Its a religion of works. While there are many good christians in the catholic church like thessolonian, there are far more bad people in it. The catholics behave very much like cults and covens even the ones that don't go to church. This happened to me when I found Jesus Christ. I quickly learned that Jesus is God and about the Godhead. I learned of grace and of the cross and that Jesus paid for my sins in full. Even the sins I will commit in the future. The catholic church teaches works by saying we must confess our sins to a priest who is a bigger sinner than me. Go figure. A friend of mine once told me.
If you combine a mormon, a JW and a catholic you will get a good Christian.
Think about that for a minute. Its true.
Blessings, Oscar
 
oscar3 said:
Having grown up as a catholic, I can tell you that it is a false religion. Its a religion of works. While there are many good christians in the catholic church like thessolonian, there are far more bad people in it. The catholics behave very much like cults and covens even the ones that don't go to church. This happened to me when I found Jesus Christ. I quickly learned that Jesus is God and about the Godhead. I learned of grace and of the cross and that Jesus paid for my sins in full. Even the sins I will commit in the future. The catholic church teaches works by saying we must confess our sins to a priest who is a bigger sinner than me. Go figure. A friend of mine once told me.
If you combine a mormon, a JW and a catholic you will get a good Christian.
Think about that for a minute. Its true.
Blessings, Oscar

***
Just curious, do you think that most catholics think that doing Rome's required things such as rosary beads merits salvation? If it is required? And how does one get out of purgatory, in a laymans view is interesting to me? I am asking solely about your idea of an majority lay view, if you care to reply? :fadein: And is there a cost for this required work? And what might be the price to get from hell to heaven?

Again: Please, no 'professed' priest leadership replies for what Rome teaches! Which ='s Tradition & church + pope over the Word of God! :sad

---John

PS: Off subject very little, but had you ever seen such 'Arm of Flesh' (Jeremiah 17:5) study being presented (even from the past dead!) by folks today to fortress up a belief that they 'desire' to hold? See Matthew 4:4 And even some of these PhD ones hardly agree on any thing much, nor their 'followers'. :crying:
 
John here:
Here is part three for you to judge, as you see fit? Yet, be sure to understand that it is in print with the same kind of rubbish that Rome claims, that of Tradition and the Arm of Flesh documentation.
Jeremiah 17:5
. And one talks here 'of adding fuel to the fire' as if it is the one of Matthew 10:25-26 that is the Blasphemous (Revelation 17:5) problem! See Matthew 10:20
Regardless, we are into our day here, huh? Has Rome changed? You be the judge of that, also. Part four will find the whole world already set for Israel & Romes 'blending' into the last antiChrist position to conclude planet earth's final test and rejection of Christ.


Part 3:
--Of You Be The Judge?-- (Part 4 will follow later on)

In November 2000 Italian headlines screamed, "Devil Defeats Pope!" Messaggero reported that the Pope had been confronted by a teenage girl in the Vatican who screamed insults in a cavernous voice during an audience. John Paul attempted an exorcism but his ministrations had no effect on the girl.

Devils in the Vatican would come as no surprise to Msgr. Luigi Marinelli. His book Gone With the Wind at the Vatican fairly flew off the shelves in Italy, revealing as it did stories of money-laundering prelates, sex abuse and Satanic rituals performed within the walls of the Holy See.

Marinelli's comments echo those of the late Fr. Malachi Martin, a former Jesuit and exorcist, whose 1990 book The Keys of this Blood contains the following disturbing information:

"Most frighteningly for John Paul, he had come up against the irremovable presence of a malign strength in his own Vatican and in certain bishop's chanceries. It was what knowledgeable Churchmen called the 'superforce.' Rumors, difficult to verify, tied its installation to the beginning of Paul VIs reign in 1963. Indeed, Paul had alluded somberly to "the smoke of Satan which has entered the Sanctuary" -an oblique reference to an enthronement ceremony performed by Satanists in the Vatican. Besides, the incidence of Satanic pedophilia-rites and practices-was already documented among certain bishops and priests as widely dispersed as Turin in Italy and South Carolina in the United States. The cultic acts of Satanic pedophilia are considered by professionals to be the culmination of the Fallen Archangel's rites."

Adding fuel to the fire is ex-Jesuit Robert Kaiser with his recent book Clerical Error. Kaiser states that Malachi Martin was something of a confabulist who lived for 30 years as a kept man under the roof of Manhattan socialite Kakia Livanos, the ex-wife of Greek shipping magnate Stavros Niarchos. Kaiser goes on to say that Martin also stole his wife Mary from him at one point in the 60s when all three were quartered in Rome. Kaiser also surmises that Martin may have been a paid lobbyist for the American Jewish Committee.

In his new book Glimpses of the Devil, psychiatrist M. Scott Peck weighs in with many interesting comments on possession and exorcism. He also declares Martin to have been most scrupulous in his histories of the exorcisms recounted in Hostage to the Devil. However, according to Peck, although a formidable scholar and gifted polyglot (17 languages), Martin could by turns be a 'pathological liar' and a 'leprechaun.' Needless to say, the jury is still out on the legacy of Malachi Martin.

Note: Author Malachi Martin is an expert on the Catholic Church, he is a former Jesuit and professor at the Vatican's Pontifical Biblical Institute.
 
What's your point John, that JP II could not cast out the demon?

[28] And when he had entered the house, his disciples asked him privately, "Why could we not cast it out?"


Hmmm. Seems that some demons are a bit difficult to cast out. So is it Malachi Martin who has everything about the Catholic Church right. Hate to tell you this but he remained in the Catholic Church as a priest though one who could not say Mass. Books flew off the shelves hey. Like Harlequin romance novels. That the public craves gossip doesn't mean a whole lot. I would expect the demons to go after Christ's Church so it does not surprize me that a demon showed up and started wailing at the end of one of JP II's audiences. If what you are trying to prove is true, the demon would have clapped. :lol: Why would he try to disrupt a sermon by JP II if he was in favor of what the Catholic Church is? Silly boy.
 
(This last Part 4 I find some of this in my day of recent Documentation & extremly interesting when compared with Revelation 17:1-5 and Revelation 3:9 Anti/Christ Prophecy must consider all of Daniel 11, and then Daniel 11:45 and who it will be that will do this!
--John)

Part 4:
On the other hand, the verdict on the pederasty that is endemic to the Roman priesthood, is in. The Church paid out more than $1 billion in claims to victims of sex abuse by clergy in the 1990s alone. And the American branch offers a very disturbing treatment method to offenders. One startling example should suffice:

Fr. Jay Mullin was accused of molesting a boy more than 20 years ago in Boston. Then Cardinal Bernard Law commanded Mullin to be evaluated at St. Luke's Institute. The Institute is a Washington clinic that was profiled in a Boston Globe article of February 24, 2002:

"Mullin was flown south in 1992 to a clinic outside Washington, D.C. The church-run clinic had a huge collection of child pornography of varying degrees, which ranged from soft porn to hardcore S&M images, all featuring pre-teen boys and girls"

This would have to rate as the most devilish form of aversion therapy ever known. It would be akin to treating alcoholics with copious quantities of vintage wine or bombarding junkies with free packets of China White heroin. Truly degenerate and depraved lunatics were running the asylum known as St. Lukes.

Notwithstanding the scandal and shock of the aforementioned, Rome carries on quietly with her program of world dominion. They lead the competition to establish the first one-world system that has ever existed. Their ultimate goal is global religious syncretism, and to eventually wield control and authority over every individual on earth. The human solidarity goals of the Roman Church are identical to the goals and objectives of the United Nations. This is why they are such an perfect fit. Rome only gives the appearance of objecting to the UN agenda. At the 1996 World Food Summit in Rome Cardinal Angelo Sodana pledged the Holy See's support for the UNs humanistic 'Programs of Action.'

Rome also has designs on Jerusalem.

For 46 years after Israel's rebirth the Vatican refused to acknowledge Israel's right to exist. But Rome wants to exert premier influence over Jerusalem, which will one day function as the capital of her World Church.

In a 1993 letter to the Pope, Shimon Peres promised to internationalize Jerusalem, granting the UN political control of the Old City and the Vatican hegemony over the holy sites within. This was confirmed by the Italian newspaper La Stampa. In March 1995 the Israeli radio station Arutz Sheva was leaked a cable from the Israeli Embassy in Rome, confirming the hand over of Jerusalem to the Vatican.

The future Pope will establish his throne one day within the walls of the rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem. It is from here that he will rule his World Church.

And this day may not be as far off as many believe. The cornerstones for the Third Temple have already been quarried by the Jewish group known as the Temple Mount Faithful. They are extremely well financed and organized. They have also produced priestly vestments in accordance with scriptural outlines and are presently attempting to breed a perfect red heifer in anticipation of the coming dedication ceremonies. Obviously, Rome and the Temple Mount Faithful are headed for a showdown.

In a letter sent to the Vatican in January 2004, the TMF demanded that Pope John Paul return the Temple Menorah and other vessels and treasures removed in 70AD by Titus and taken to Rome, where they are presently held within the Secret Vatican Archives

John again with a questian: And who in Revelation 17:1-5 cares???? :robot:
 
I came in praying where this from http://www.crosswalk.com would fit best:-


Leave a Powerful Legacy
Whitney Hopler
Crosswalk.com Contributing Writer

The following is a report on the practical applications of Jeff O'Leary's new book, Footprints in Time: Fulfilling God’s Destiny for Your Life, (Nelson Books, 2006).


Of the billions of people who have lived throughout history, many aren’t remembered. But some have lived such remarkable lives that time can’t erase their legacies. They were just ordinary people, yet they lived in extraordinary ways that inspired future generations. Such a legacy is within your own reach if you follow their examples of faith.


Here’s how you can leave a powerful legacy:

* Seek God. Make it your top priority in life to pursue God and grow closer to Him with each passing day.


* Find and follow your calling. Ask God to reveal what contributions He wants you to make to the world. Invite Him to use your life in powerful ways. Then obey His will and set out to fulfill His purposes for your life.


* Don’t settle for less than God’s best. Know that there’s much more to life than just making money to pay bills and putting together some harmonious relationships. Don’t just get by; choose to live with passion. Focus beyond the mundane to the eternal. Pursue eternal values so your life will have lasting significance. Learn what’s truly important and what’s not, and don’t waste time or energy on pursuits that don’t really matter.


* Defeat hopelessness with courage. When you encounter a situation that’s morally wrong, refuse to accept it and decide to do something about it. Be willing to place other people’s needs before your own. Consider the victory of your cause more important than even your own survival, and be willing to pay whatever cost you need to pay to right the wrong. Remember that death is not the end, but the beginning of a better life. Throw yourself into the fray rather than cowing before it. Do whatever is necessary to protect your honor.


* Act with the integrity of a clear conscience. Listen carefully to the quiet inner voice of the conscience God gave you – and heed what it says. Realize that God often speaks to you through your conscience. Understand that integrity is formed one decision at a time. Ask the Holy Spirit to guide you constantly as you make choices. Live to please God alone, regardless of what other people think of you.

Recognize that your daily decisions will create habits, which in turn will create your future self.

Make the kinds of decisions that will help you reflect Christ more and more. Expect to experience discord when your integrity makes others uncomfortable with their own choices. Be willing to endure friction and persecution so that you can inspire others when you stand strong, and ultimately cause them to examine their own lives. Keep a clear vision of the finish line of faith – the moment you meet Christ in person at the end of your life – and strive to live in a way you’ll be pleased with then. Whenever you make mistakes, pray for fresh forgiveness and the grace to keep growing.


* Focus your energy. Fight back against distractions that keep you from fulfilling your God-given destiny. Don’t let your dreams be crushed under the weight of your mundane responsibilities. Instead, develop a fierce and tenacious concentration on what God is calling you to do. Pray for the discipline you need to stay focused on your calling and devote yourself to it – no matter what your circumstances – so your energy doesn’t get dissipated. Don’t try to walk both God’s path and the world’s path; choose to stay on God’s path by giving Him your whole heart.

Recognize that you can accomplish more than you can imagine when you focus your energy.

Stretch yourself on a regular basis as you pursue your mission. Remember that if you’re diligent, God will ultimately bring about good results from your dedication, and you won’t be disappointed.


* Face failure with tenacity. Ask God to help you develop an indomitable spirit and an unbreakable will. Understand that dogged persistence will aid you greatly in the face of seemingly impossible problems or overwhelming odds. Don’t despair when you encounter misfortune; instead learn from the experience so you can become a stronger person.

Remember that many people who came before you have survived and even thrived under enormous pressure. Overcome fear. Decide to act with courage, even when you don’t feel courageous, trusting that God will than build courage into you.

Keep pressing ahead with confidence until you break through the barrier that has been stumping you. Pray persistently. Learn from your mistakes, and try again. Know that success will often come after many failures, and if you give up, you’ll never know how close you were to success. Never give up!


* Pursue wisdom with a passion. Recognize that great value in wisdom, and know that it’s worth pursuing, whatever the cost. Know that God is the source of all true wisdom. Pray daily for Him to give you a passion for learning, renew your mind, and help you discern all He would like you to understand. Be willing to work hard at whatever tasks God calls you to undertake, giving your very best and being alert for what God wants to teach you through your experiences. Know that you should never stop learning, no matter how old you become.

Keep asking questions, listening, reading, and seeking out wisdom until you die. Spend more time on education than you do on entertainment. Strive to be contributor more than a consumer. Stay current and competitive in your field of work. Discuss current events and biblical issues with your family and friends on a regular basis, such as at mealtimes and in the car. Learn how to listen well to other people. Pass on your own wisdom to others, such as your kids.


* Dare to do the impossible. Honestly consider whether or not your dreams are too small – and if they are, enlarge them. Ask God to reveal His big dreams for your life, and embrace them. Be bold about taking risks to make those dreams come true. Be willing to make sacrifices necessary to pursue God’s vision for your life. Remember that Christ is worth everything it costs you to follow Him to change the world.


* Take the long view. Ask God to give you His perspective on challenging situations in your life. Expect suffering in our fallen world, but look beyond that to see how suffering helps you become more mature and sensitive to Christ’s love and other people’s pain.


* Don’t squander time. Remember that every moment you live is a gift, and decide to use it as well as you possibly can.


* Beware of idols that can cause you to stumble. Regularly take inventory of your thoughts and behaviors to make sure you’re not devoting yourself to fame, beauty, power, wealth, or possessions more than you are to God. Keep your relationship with God your top priority. Forsake everything that threatens to take your attention away from Him.


* Say “no†to self and “yes†to Christ. Be willing to pick up your cross and follow Christ by giving Him full authority in every area of your life – with no exceptions. If God allows challenges like economic deprivation, physical ailments, or persecution in your life, accept them and do all you can to learn from them. Trust God to provide all you need. Embrace the whole Gospel message, even when it makes you uncomfortable, and let it stretch you to become the person God intends you to be.


* Be faithful to the end. Realize that fulfilling God’s plans for your life may involve great personal costs. Don’t shrink back from what He asks you to do; trust Him. Don’t stop short of completing the work God has given you to do. Be willing to lay down your pride, reputation, possessions, and even your life so that God’s will can be accomplished through you. Hold onto your life with an open hand, ready to give whatever you need to give to serve God faithfully. Ask Him to help you commit your heart fully to Him. Remember that anything you might lose for His sake in this life means nothing compared to the treasure that awaits you when you meet Christ face to face.

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Adapted from Footprints in Time: Fulfilling God’s Destiny for Your Life, copyright 2006 by Jeff O’Leary. Published by Nelson Books, a division of Thomas Nelson Publishers, Nashville, Tn., http://www.thomasnelson.com.

Colonel Jeff O'Leary (ret.) served more than 22 years in the United States Air Force and retired from the Pentagon in 2002 as a full colonel. Throughout his career he was awarded the Legion of Merit, three Air Medals, the Southwest Asia Service Medal with two Battle Stars, and an Outstanding Unit Award with Valor.

After retiring he founded Mission of Joy, a ministry to homeless and orphaned children in India. His other books include the New York Times bestseller America Out of the Ashes, and the CBA bestseller Brave Hearts Under Red Skies. He and his wife, Cindy, have been married for twenty-nine years. They have six children, five living.
 
The Godhead Speak, and then They let satan Lie!

First the Godhead Speak:

2Sa 22:2 and he said: The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer;
(JPS) The God who is my rock, in Him I take refuge; my shield, and my horn of salvation, my high tower, and my refuge; my savior, Thou savest me from violence.

Psa 31:2 (31:3) Incline Thine ear unto me, deliver me speedily; be Thou to me a rock of refuge, even a fortress of defense, to save me.
Psa 31:3 (31:4) For Thou art my rock and my fortress; therefore for Thy name's sake lead me and guide me.

Psa 61:2 From the end of the earth will I cry unto thee, when my heart is overwhelmed: lead me to the rock that is higher than I.
Psa 61:3 For thou hast been a shelter for me, and a strong tower from the enemy.
Psa 61:4 I will abide in thy tabernacle forever: I will trust in the covert of thy wings. Selah.

Psa 62:2 He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defense; I shall not be greatly moved.

Psa 94:22 But the LORD is my defense; and my God is the rock of my refuge.

Isa 26:4
(JPS) Trust ye in the LORD for ever, for the LORD is GOD, an everlasting Rock.

(Isa 48:21-22 NIV) "They did not thirst when he led them through the deserts; he made water flow for them from the rock; he split the rock and water gushed out."

(1 Cor 10:2-5 NIV) "They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. {3} They all ate the same spiritual food {4} and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ."

(John 4:10 NIV) "Jesus answered her, "If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.""

2 Sam 22:32-33 NIV) "For who is God besides the LORD? And who is the Rock except our God? {33} It is God who arms me with strength and makes my way perfect."

(Psa 18:31-33 NIV) "For who is God besides the LORD? And who is the Rock except our God? {32} It is God who arms me with strength and makes my way perfect. {33} He makes my feet like the feet of a deer; he enables me to stand on the heights."

(Exo 33:18) "Then Moses said, "Now show me your glory."
(Exo 33:20-23 NIV) "But," He said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see Me and live." {21} Then the LORD said, "There is a place near me where you may stand on a rock. {22} When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you with my hand until I have passed by. {23} Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen.""

Notice here, that Moses has to be hid in the cleft of the rock to be able to see God and live. It is that because our life is hid in Christ, we may someday see God in all His glorious splendor and live!

(Isa 44:7-9 NIV) "Who then is like me? Let him proclaim it. Let him declare and lay out before me what has happened since I established my ancient people, and what is yet to come-- yes, let him foretell what will come. {8} Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one." {9} All who make idols are nothing, and the things they treasure are worthless. Those who would speak up for them are blind; they are ignorant, to their own shame."

Of course, this goes on and on and on like this, so we may know who is our Rock, but some men choose the man Peter to be their rock - I just do not understand it, but i understand what the Lord says about it - selecting the doctrine of man over Him.

Deu 32:31 For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.
Deu 32:32 For their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter:
Deu 32:33 Their wine is the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps.

Psa 118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence

Some of this above was gathered by another: But the below has found Rome herself in openly documented rebellion ---John
Subject: Rome has removed herself from the Lambs Book of Life!

Now comes satan's bold documented presentation:

"And Catholicism Speaks"

"We hold upon earth the place of God Almighty."
-Pope Leo X111, in an Encyclical Letter-

"We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday."
-Doctrinal Catechism, 1957 , page 50.
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The Godhead again tell us of theirself Eternal self!
And I will put some of my own remarks in parenthesis, ( ).

Malachi 3:6

"I am the Lord, I change not."
Hebrews 13:8

8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Exodus 20:1-17
1 And God spake all these words, saying,

2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. (And Rome does what? And you 'see' this even!)

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; (Again Rome does what again? And these are Christians?
When 'anyone' openly 'sees' them doing exactly what sin is said to be by God, and they are still called Christian, what does that make you?? And we see by the Eternal Covenant of Gods Word written by Theirself which clearly says what we are not to do!

And satan was cast out of heaven for the same rebellion! You tell me where he is now, and whom he is living in? See Revelation 3:9 for comparision.)

6 And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Mt 5:33 (Also compare Mark 7:7! for what vain Me in Vain means!)

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. (Remember??? God Spoke with His Loving ones from creation week on in 'A Voice' up until the Mountian Siniani Sermon, when He was asked not to do so!)

9 Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: (This is the Godheads day! Revelation 1:10, Mark 2:27-28 and it was the day for all mankind to Worship the Godhead on! They Blessed the day, and set it aside for Holy Use! The Day IS SANCTIFIED by the GODHEAD Themselves, long before you came on the scene! Genesis 2:3)

11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. (The Birthday or Memorial of the Godheads creation week of earth Psalm 135:13 is Eternal!)

12 Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Ex 21:17 Lev 20:9 Dt 5:16 27:16 Prov 30:17 Mt 15:4 Mt 19:18 Mark 7:10 Mark 10:19 Luke 18:20 Eph 6:2,3

13 Thou shalt not kill. (Kill?? You must think of your stuff from Revelations last few verses!! And the SECOND DEATH that finds Gods creation lost because of ones santanic junkyard of fatal false teaching!!) Dt 5:17 Mt 5:21 Mt 19:18 Mark 10:19 Luke 18:20 Rom 13:9 James 2:11

14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Dt 5:18 Mt 5:27 Mt 19:18 Mark 10:19 Luke 18:20 Rom 13:9 James 2:11 (their are many forms of adultary, the bible is full of the spiritually kinds of such, protrayed many ways. The 'wine of Babylon' and the like. See Revelation 17:5 & Revelation 13)

15 Thou shalt not steal.
Dt 5:19 Mt 19:18 Mark 10:19 Luke 18:20 Rom 13:9 (Tithes & offerings given to aid satan's known work is included in this.)

16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
Dt 5:20 Mt 19:18 Mark 10:19 Luke 18:20 Rom 13:9 (check all religous forums? And see 2 Corinthians 4:2's catholic work for 'personal' attacking the poster instead of the Word o God)

17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's.
Mark 10:19 Rom 13:9

1 John 3:4
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. (sin started with Lucifer, in heaven with the Godheads Eternal Royal Law . Compare James 2:8-12 and your standard for your Judgement!)

1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, (profession alone means nothing) and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. (Eternal Covenant Hebrews 13:20 & Testimony of all Scipture 2 Timothy 3:16 ='s Matthew 4:4 And not just Rome, huh? Rev. 17:5)

Ecclesiastes 3:14,
"I know that, whatsoever God doeth, (or sayeth) it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him." (Do you know this, or are you the ones from below??)

Revelation 22:18-21
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

And friends, it takes no genius or Love for Christ to remain still, when one see's the catholic Documented Rebellion by satan again, against the Godhead of Eternity! :sad satan never changes, his work is antichrist, not Christian! ---John
 
"he who hears you hears me"
"you are the light of the world"
"yet not I but Christ lives in me"

2Cor.5
[20] So we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We beseech you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

Do you understand these John?


Now to add a little context to the statement.

http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13praec.htm

A great deal, however, has been wanting to the entire fullness of that consolation. Amidst these very manifestations of public joy and Reverence Our thoughts went out towards the immense multitude of those who are strangers to the gladness that filled all Catholic hearts: some because they lie in absolute ignorance of the Gospel; others because they dissent from the Catholic belief, though they bear the name of Christians.

This thought has been, and is, a source of deep concern to Us; for it is impossible to think of such a large portion of mankind deviating, as it were, from the right path, as they move away from Us, and not experience a sentiment of innermost grief.

But since We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty, Who will have all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the Truth, and now that Our advanced age and the bitterness of anxious cares urge Us on towards the end common to every mortal, We feel drawn to follow the example of Our Redeemer and Master, Jesus Christ, Who, when about to return to Heaven, implored of God, His Father, in earnest Prayer, that His Disciples and followers should be of one mind and of one heart: I pray . . . that they all may be one, as Thou Father in Me, and I in Thee: that they also may be one in Us. And as this Divine Prayer and Supplication does not include only the souls who then believed in Jesus Christ, but also every one of those who were henceforth to believe in Him, this Prayer holds out to Us no indifferent reason for confidently expressing Our hopes, and for making all possible endeavors in order that the men of every race and clime should be called and moved to embrace the Unity of Divine Faith.
 
I'm sorry to have to say that RC track record of diabolical distortions & of promoting the 'doctrines of demons' means beware of believing their plausible sounding but poisonously toxic teachings

But here's a positive version of 'S-S-S' to reach out & take by faith from the hand of Jesus:-

From CWR founder Selwyn Hughes @ http://www.crosswalk.com

September 6


Our Three Primary Needs

For reading & meditation -Colossians 2:1-10 "... in Him you have been made complete ..." (v. 10, NASB)

The first principle we must learn if we are to recover from the brokenness caused by troubles in the home is: Depend on God, and not on anyone else, to meet the deepest needs of your personality. Allow this truth to take hold of your innermost being and you will become a transformed person.

The most basic needs of our personality are these: (1) the need to be loved unconditionally (security); (2) the need to be valued (self-worth), and (3) the need to make a meaningful contribution to God's world (significance).

Human beings can only function effectively to the degree that these needs are met. If they are unsatisfied, our ability to function as a person is greatly hindered; if they are adequately met, then, other things being equal, we have the potential of functioning effectively. Notice, however, this important point - our needs for security, significance, and self-worth can be fully met only in a close and ongoing relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ.

If we do not let Christ meet those needs, then because they have to be met in order for us to function effectively, we will attempt to get them met in and through others.

Although many do not realize it, this is what draws many people toward marriage, because they see the possibility of having their needs met through their partner.

But no human being, however loving, kind, and considerate they may be, can fully meet these needs. I say again: they can be met fully only in a close and ongoing relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ.

Prayer:

Father, I sense that I am on the verge of something big and challenging. Help me to grasp this, for I sense that if I do, I shall become a transformed person. In Jesus' Name I ask it. Amen.
For Further Study
Ephesians 1; 2

1.Where is Christ?
2. Where are we?



God bless all who truly 'seek Him with all your heart' :angel:

Ian :-D
 
thessalonian said:
"he who hears you hears me"
"you are the light of the world"
"yet not I but Christ lives in me"

2Cor.5
[20] So we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We beseech you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

Do you understand these John?

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Is this to a personal poster again??? (John here)
Well, my post is to this question, can you understand that?????? NO.

So, Forum: This is a post for you then, OK?
The above verses (:fadein:) are as.. ALL Conditional promises, that can be claimed when the conditions are met, and according to the Revelation 14:6's Eternal Gospel! And that is only by the Lord's 'honest' Eternal Covenant KEEPERS! Hebrews 12:20, (And the Provisions are supplied
'IF' (?) See Philipians 4:13 & 2 Corinthians 12:9)
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Now to add a little context to the statement.

http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13praec.htm

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And forum: I am not here to learn from satan forbidden of God tree!
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A great deal, however, has been wanting to the entire fullness of that consolation. Amidst these very manifestations of public joy and Reverence Our thoughts went out towards the immense multitude of those who are strangers to the gladness that filled all Catholic hearts: some because they lie in absolute ignorance of the Gospel; others because they dissent from the Catholic belief, though they bear the name of Christians.

This thought has been, and is, a source of deep concern to Us; for it is impossible to think of such a large portion of mankind deviating, as it were, from the right path, as they move away from Us, and not experience a sentiment of innermost grief.

But since We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty, Who will have all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the Truth, and now that Our advanced age and the bitterness of anxious cares urge Us on towards the end common to every mortal, We feel drawn to follow the example of Our Redeemer and Master, Jesus Christ, Who, when about to return to Heaven, implored of God, His Father, in earnest Prayer, that His Disciples and followers should be of one mind and of one heart: I pray . . . that they all may be one, as Thou Father in Me, and I in Thee: that they also may be one in Us. And as this Divine Prayer and Supplication does not include only the souls who then believed in Jesus Christ, but also every one of those who were henceforth to believe in Him, this Prayer holds out to Us no indifferent reason for confidently expressing Our hopes, and for making all possible endeavors in order that the men of every race and clime should be called and moved to embrace the Unity of Divine Faith.

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As stated before: The satan 'catholic' stuff is world wide as prophesied, (and God gave him somewhat of a free reign, even in heaven for a time) & they have daughters (Revelation 17:5) as you are reading above, you know, the 'post' speaks of UNITY, huh? And the only reason satan needs unity has NOTHING to do with any LOVE for CHRIST or you'ins, (his daughters) but the fact that he needs USA to give up her religious FREEDOM so that he (and they!) can have forced worship! And he will succeed! :sad Because God says so! Notice your Supreme court even?

And Any Christ/less fold needs Caesar to force her Worship! So, the USA is still standing in Romes path! But not for much longer, for ex/protestants are quickly becoming DESOLATE of any form of Christ except as Rome, in 'profession' only! Ex/Protestant USA will soon descend from a Lamb-like Beast (Government) to that of a dragon. (Forced worship) And then we will constantly hear Romans 13:1-10's Second Table of the Eternal Covenant shouted on the Earth. But with NO mention of the First Great Commandment, huh? You know? By pope Peter in Acts 5:29

And from USA we see that it will go world/wide in the UN also! Revelation 17:17
---John

PS: Just wondering, where are the Protestants at today? :sad :o
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John your posts are just weird ramble. Sorry.

Blessings
 
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