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Henry
Guest
You want biblical reasoning for building being sinful? Why not just examine what the early church did?
Lets look at the scriptures.
A Church meeting was interactive and participatory, not a show like we have today. And a few “Amens†from the crowd does not fit the bill as being interactive. Look at what this says EVERYONE HAS… he is not saying it is wrong, he is saying it is right as long as they are to the strengthening of the church (people, not a building or organization)
In modern church the worship leader plans the music, the pastor brings a word of instruction, and only authorized and approved people may ever speak. Already we are not doing what they did.
What is important here is that TWO or THREE speak, given the context of a small group meeting that can be a majority of the people there. Be it tongues or teaching Paul teaches two or three speak. Notice nothing at all about any leaders or a pastor. This is written to the brothers, the brothers are the ones doing the speaking. Some are leaders some are not, no where in scripture is there every a leader or pastor doing the preaching to the church.
Who can? ALL CAN !! Each one in turn so everyone is instructed, the word of God says that good instruction is when more the one are able to share, as long as it is kept in order. Still nothing about a leader of any kind, this is still talking about the brothers in general.
The question then is not “Are we doing what they did†clearly we are not. No one with any common sense would argue that point. The question is not “Well, isn’t OK that we are not doing as they did?†no the true question we need to ask “Why would we want to do it any other way?†Who said we had the right or that it was Gods will we change things as we have, to add as much as we have. If we say the bible is Gods word and we follow it, then why not here as well.
Paul says this is not his own opinion he says this is the command of the Lord and I can not find any place where the Lord says Ok now do it your own way.
The bible does show us what we are to do in a meeting.
There are some other places we can look at, but the bottom line here is that you can not do what the bible teaches us to do in a church building, we HAVE TO change to fit the building and to me that is a problem. What else are we willing to change to fit?
Lets look at the scriptures.
The title “Orderly Worship†is included in many bibles, it is not in argument that this section of text deals with how to have an orderly meeting. And in many other placed Paul makes it clear that he teaches the same things in all the churches, not one thing for another and so on. And one of the things Paul did and taught was house church, given all he even planted where house churches.
A Church meeting was interactive and participatory, not a show like we have today. And a few “Amens†from the crowd does not fit the bill as being interactive. Look at what this says EVERYONE HAS… he is not saying it is wrong, he is saying it is right as long as they are to the strengthening of the church (people, not a building or organization)
In modern church the worship leader plans the music, the pastor brings a word of instruction, and only authorized and approved people may ever speak. Already we are not doing what they did.
What is important here is that TWO or THREE speak, given the context of a small group meeting that can be a majority of the people there. Be it tongues or teaching Paul teaches two or three speak. Notice nothing at all about any leaders or a pastor. This is written to the brothers, the brothers are the ones doing the speaking. Some are leaders some are not, no where in scripture is there every a leader or pastor doing the preaching to the church.
Oh yes, my favorite. The word of God says that it is OK to stand up and speak WHILE a teacher is teaching, as long as it is in love and respect of course. But today if you did that in a modern church during the pastors sermon you would be seen as WRONG. May be even asked to leave. But never the less the word of God says that the first should STOP and who is the first? Does not say, could be any brother as we already know EVERYONE brings something. Still no mention of any leaders or pastor.
Who can? ALL CAN !! Each one in turn so everyone is instructed, the word of God says that good instruction is when more the one are able to share, as long as it is kept in order. Still nothing about a leader of any kind, this is still talking about the brothers in general.
Here is one that gets so many people riled up. I am not going to get into the woman and silence thing, I just want to point out that Paul makes this every familiar statement “As in all the congregations of the saints.†What he taught here he also taught else where, and this includes what we are to be doing in church meetings. Why exclude this when he himself took the time to write a letter about it.
The question then is not “Are we doing what they did†clearly we are not. No one with any common sense would argue that point. The question is not “Well, isn’t OK that we are not doing as they did?†no the true question we need to ask “Why would we want to do it any other way?†Who said we had the right or that it was Gods will we change things as we have, to add as much as we have. If we say the bible is Gods word and we follow it, then why not here as well.
Paul says this is not his own opinion he says this is the command of the Lord and I can not find any place where the Lord says Ok now do it your own way.
The bible does show us what we are to do in a meeting.
There are some other places we can look at, but the bottom line here is that you can not do what the bible teaches us to do in a church building, we HAVE TO change to fit the building and to me that is a problem. What else are we willing to change to fit?