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2 Thessalonians 2:10-12
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

This would imply that the reason for the strong delusion is because they did not receive the love the truth because they had pleasure unrighteousness. If we look at this in the light of Romans 1, then we see that they hold the truth in unrighteousness.

Romans 1:18-19
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

Romans 1:28-32
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

1 Thessalonians 5:9
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,


Do we see a relationship between they did not receive the love of the truth and that they did not like to retain God in their knowledge? The truth that they hold in unrighteousness is the knowledge of the law and the knowledge of sin.


Romans 10:1-3
Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

So, the way I see it, the "purpose" of the delusion is to seal people in their sinful pleasure - and to make a distinction from those who are sealed with the Spirit of God, who do not take pleasure in sin.

The delusion comes after the final call to repentance. Kind of like how Noah preached about the flood till the moment he went into the ark and the door was shut. The delusion is the shutting of the door. I honestly do not think that from that time forward anyone will be saved. The delusion will be apart of the mark of the beast.
 
So, the way I see it, the "purpose" of the delusion is to seal people in their sinful pleasure - and to make a distinction from those who are sealed with the Spirit of God, who do not take pleasure in sin.

I agree and disagree, the purpose of the delusion is seal the people in the lie, because they loved not the truth. When you say to seal the people in their sinful pleasure, that encompasses such a broad spectrum, but there is no escaping it. There are many who take pleasure in accusing others of sin, which itself is a sin. No escaping it.

Who is the man of sin? Is he not a son of man born of the flesh after the likeness of Adam? Is he not a man like all the rest needing salvation? But what of this man, and what of this delusion? What was the lie that he loved more than the truth?

Genesis 3:4-5
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

The lie was they will not die. But the truth was they would be as gods knowing good and evil. The Lord acknowledges this in Gen 3:22.

In 2 Thessalonians 2:4, we see the Man of Sin, sitting in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. He sits in the seat of Moses with his knowledge of good and evil, judging and accusing others of their sins.

They loved not the truth, that there is none Righteous but the Lord; but they loved the righteousness of the law more, and so they were blinded. They were fed strong delusion so that they would believe a lie. The original lie was "surely you shall not die."

There are many believers in Christ who believe because they are in Christ that they shall not die. They love the sacrifice of Christ. They love the knowledge of good and evil. The love to accuse others of sin; sins that God has already blotted out. They love to sit in the seat of Moses judging between good and evil, showing themselves they are god. But what they don't love is the knowledge that they themselves are sinners.

Christ did not come to save us from the original penalty of death that came through Adam. Christ came to save us from the second death.
 
It is written somewhere in the Revelation that they shall reign with Christ a thousand years.

Do Christians believe it is given to them through Christ to sit on the throne with Him?

The man of sin thinks of himself sitting on the throne, judging between good and evil. He does this by the authority of by the law. But what the man of sin fails to see while looking for his own glory, is that the Law does not show the Glory of the Lord. And for all of the knowledge of good and evil they poses, showing themselves that they are "god;" what do they know of God's will.

The Pharisees sat in judgement over matters of the law.

The prophets spoke forth the will of the Lord. But they were slain. But the false prophets, why the peoples seemed to love them.

Who are the false prophets of today? Who were the false prophets during the times of the Kings? Were they of a religious nature? Or were the false prophets advisers who were of more of political nature?
 
Jeremiah 5:21-30
Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not: Fear ye not me? saith the Lord: will ye not tremble at my presence, which have placed the sand for the bound of the sea by a perpetual decree, that it cannot pass it: and though the waves thereof toss themselves, yet can they not prevail; though they roar, yet can they not pass over it? But this people hath a revolting and a rebellious heart; they are revolted and gone. Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the Lord our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, in his season: he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the harvest.
Your iniquities have turned away these things, and your sins have withholden good things from you. For among my people are found wicked men: they lay wait, as he that setteth snares; they set a trap, they catch men. As a cage is full of birds, so are their houses full of deceit: therefore they are become great, and waxen rich. They are waxen fat, they shine: yea, they overpass the deeds of the wicked: they judge not the cause, the cause of the fatherless, yet they prosper; and the right of the needy do they not judge. Shall I not visit for these things? saith the Lord: shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this?
A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land; The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?
 
Personally, I believe the tribulation, the man of sin, and the book of Revelation are all concerned with Israel, the nations and the earth. The church body of Christ is not involved having been "raptured."
So, the "mark of the beast" must be some time to come, for the beast's power occurs in the middle of the 7 years tribulation.
 
The broad way is showing that it is easy to go down that path. You can be 55%, 10%, 79%, etc.
But only 100% is the narrow path.
Hi Brother Nathan, would you consider this following scripture to have relevance with that narrow path?
2 Tim 2:12 If we suffer (endure), we shall also reign with him . . .
 
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Hi Brother Nathan, would you consider this following scripture to have relevance with that narrow path?
2 Tim 2:12 If we suffer (endure), we shall also reign with him . . .

I would consider it so. I don't think I would take it out of it's context, like some do(not saying you), and make it into some sort of self mutilation rite.

I also think some make a distinction between the path leading to the gate, and the path leading away. I actually can see both sides of that thought. And in doing so they don't consider the enduring part as a part of the narrow path.

A quick cross reference of the 2 Tim 2:12 verse turns up a lot of interesting passages that speak to this.
 
Personally, I believe the tribulation, the man of sin, and the book of Revelation are all concerned with Israel, the nations and the earth. The church body of Christ is not involved having been "raptured."
So, the "mark of the beast" must be some time to come, for the beast's power occurs in the middle of the 7 years tribulation.

15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18

Three major things occur at the coming of the Lord: The Gathering of His people: Resurrection, Rapture, destruction of the false messiah.

Here is the order of those three things:

  1. The resurrection of the dead in Christ: the dead in Christ will rise first...
  2. The Rapture: Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them...
  3. The destruction of the false messiah [antichrist]: destroy with the brightness of His coming.

Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8



JLB
 
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Here are some important things we can learn from reading these verse's.


The resurrection/Rapture is one event.
All those who are Christ's, are caught up together, at His coming, so no one is left behind.
The antichrist is destroyed by the coming of the Lord, the same coming by which the resurrection and rapture occurs.

Once a person reads and understands these things, then it becomes obvious that Jesus comes at the end of the age, on the last Day, to gather His people and destroy the wicked.

  • No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:44
  • For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 1 Thessalonians 4:16
  • And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:8
  • Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:17

The resurrection of the dead in Christ happens first, then a moment later the Rapture,on the last Day, in which all those who are His will be caught up together, in the air, then the destruction of the antichrist, and wicked will commence.



JLB
 
1 John 2:18 (ESV) 18 Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour.

Yes?
 
I looked to see if this has been discussed recently and I can't see that it has. So why not study it? :)

A few recent threads sparked my thoughts on it, the coming of Christ, how close we are to the end, mark of the beast, etc.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-12
Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers, not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming. The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


What I found most interesting is the statement "because they refused to love the truth". You would think if this was your 'average' unbeliever the statement would be "because they refused to believe". That's quite often how its put for unbelievers.

But for some reason this is different, and is why God doesn't just leave them to their lovelessness, but actually sends a strong delusion. I think we pass over this all too often thinking its just a normal thing. However, when you look back through all the Bible you will notice that when God 'sends' something bad - its not a 'common' or 'normal' thing.

Its definitely most serious then. Whatever this strong delusion is, it can be rest assured its not 'normal' or 'unseen' or 'common'. Think back though, and one clue that can be known is that whenever God sent something(bad) the ones receiving it did not have a clue it was coming - or they laughed it off - did not give it a second thought. Which is no surprise really, after all, at least in this case its definitively called a "delusion".

On the flip side, the ones He told about it, knew it was coming, and knew it was going to be bad. Along those same lines, the people told about it were always quick to warn others.

So how do we go about studying this? Do you all think its something we can know? Any time God "sent" something in the past He foretold it before it happened.

I would say the best place to start is with what is already written. Why the strong delusion is sent. We know that. Even with that, you have to break it down into two sections. Why God sends it, and Why God sends it..... :) Ok, play on words - I admit.

Why God sends it(a) = Because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

Why God sends it(b) = So they believe what is false, in order that all might be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Your thoughts?
I have read that a few times,being a orthodox preterist.I have pondered it to come or about ad 70.the more I think I know the less I do.
 
IN the plain words of Scripture where do those say antichrist?

These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful.” Revelation 17:4

Who does the Lord of lords, King of kings, and the Lamb refer to?

In this passage of scripture, there is three different designations that refer to one person, though His Name is not mentioned.
  • Lord of lords
  • King of kings
  • the Lamb
The three designations refer to the Christ.

Likewise in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-8, there is three different designations describing one person, even though His identity is not mentioned, because he will be revealed in "his own time".

  • man of sin
  • son of perdition
  • lawless one
These three destinations refer to the antichrist.

3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-8


Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 1 John 2:18


JLB
 
I have read that a few times,being a orthodox preterist.I have pondered it to come or about ad 70.the more I think I know the less I do.

Only problem I have when trying to reconcile this is the dates some of the NT books were written, and what they contain that lends itself to the idea that if 70AD was the time - then they had no reason to write what they did.

Of course, this all comes down to interpretation. I just base it off of plain reasoning.
 
Only problem I have when trying to reconcile this is the dates some of the NT books were written, and what they contain that lends itself to the idea that if 70AD was the time - then they had no reason to write what they did.

Of course, this all comes down to interpretation. I just base it off of plain reasoning.
Thessalonians was written before the destruction of the Herod's temple and Revelation.

The idea of a temple now being Holy unto God coming again is a problem.
 
Here is a Temple referred to by John during his time on Patmos.

Does anyone know of any references to the following events, from the writings of Josephus?

Is there any references to these two prophets, who prophesied for 3 1/2 years, by which these things occurred:

  • I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days
  • These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy;
  • they have power over waters to turn them to blood
  • and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire.

Did Josephus mention two prophets, or water turning into blood, or plagues, during the events of 70 AD?


Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. 2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. 3 And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.”
4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth. 5 And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner. 6 These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire.

7 When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. 9 Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves. 10 And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.

11 Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. 12 And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them. 13 In the same hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. In the earthquake seven thousand people were killed, and the rest were afraid and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe is past. Behold, the third woe is coming quickly. Revelation 11:1-14


Then further details of this 3 1/2 year period can be seen, in which afterwards is the resurrection and judgement.

  • And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,

15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!” 16 And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying:

“We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty,
The One who is and who was and who is to come,
Because You have taken Your great power and reigned.
18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come,
And the time of the dead, that they should be judged,
And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,

And those who fear Your name, small and great,
And should destroy those who destroy the earth.”

19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail. Revelation 11:15-19


JLB
 
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In light of Isaiah 66 where the word declares the Lord shall choose their delusion, why do you think the delusion that Paul speaks of is singular in nature? The delusion has a specific purpose, but could the delusion appear in many forms? A delusion that is fitted for each doctrine of man?
Hi ezrider, The delusion in Isaiah 66:4 has a different meaning then 2 Thess. 2:11. In Isaiah the meaning has that those who reject the Lords will but worshiped their own ways, deluded themselves into believing fear of their own gods. And God will leave them in that delusion that they may flourish with fear by their own making. (He will not comfort them from their fears, for they did not believe Him) and they shall suffer false fears of their own makings.

In 2 Thessalonians,Those that worship the Likes of Satan, because of their rejection of the Messiah and God's gift and the miracles witnessed. God will send them STRONG delusions so that they believe and suffer the things that come with judgment.

In Isaiah they rejected God's commands, In 2 Thessalonians they rejected God's grace. For God over looked the times past of their ignorance, but now has commanded all men to repent (Acts 17: 29-31)
 
Hi Brother Nathan, would you consider this following scripture to have relevance with that narrow path?
2 Tim 2:12 If we suffer (endure), we shall also reign with him . . .

I would consider it so. I don't think I would take it out of it's context, like some do(not saying you), and make it into some sort of self mutilation rite.

I also think some make a distinction between the path leading to the gate, and the path leading away. I actually can see both sides of that thought. And in doing so they don't consider the enduring part as a part of the narrow path.

A quick cross reference of the 2 Tim 2:12 verse turns up a lot of interesting passages that speak to this.

It's absolutely relevant to 2 Timothy 2:12 because a word study on narrow (path) shows us that narrow is synonymous with tribulation...or in other words, suffering. :yes
 
Hi ezrider, The delusion in Isaiah 66:4 has a different meaning then 2 Thess. 2:11. In Isaiah the meaning has that those who reject the Lords will but worshiped their own ways, deluded themselves into believing fear of their own gods. And God will leave them in that delusion that they may flourish with fear by their own making. (He will not comfort them from their fears, for they did not believe Him) and they shall suffer false fears of their own makings.

Thanks Douglas, I agree with what you have said for the most part. You said the delusion in Isaiah is to those who reject the Lord's will but worshiped their own ways. I can not disagree with that. But what I can do is expand on it. What is the Lord's will? Is it not that we shall walk by faith? Those whose try and walk after the law have in effect rejected the Grace of the Lord, and have reject his will that we walk by FAITH. In 2 Thes 2, the man of sin is revealed after there comes a falling away first. This falling away is a falling away from the Grace of the Lord through FAITH, and returning to the works of the law of sin for justification.

The delusion spoken of in Isaiah says he shall bring their fears upon them. Their fears come from the law and the threat of God's wrath and judgement. Romans 1 explains how the wrath of God is revealed. Except if you are in Christ, you are not under God's wrath. The body is dead because of sin, yet lives by the Spirit of Christ. Paul said I die daily. So even though we walk by Faith, the knowledge of sin maintains a healthy fear. But, the Man of Sin in Thessalonians seems to not have this fear of the law, but seems rather emboldened by it. For the man of sin acts as if he has no sin, yet sit in the seat of Moses judging others by the works of the law.

In 2 Thessalonians,Those that worship the Likes of Satan, because of their rejection of the Messiah and God's gift and the miracles witnessed. God will send them STRONG delusions so that they believe and suffer the things that come with judgment.

Before I make any other comment, we must first come to an agreement as to the worship of Satan. You see, I do not hold to the common idea that Satan worshipers are dope smoking heavy metal music listening stereotype. No, that is just people who worship their own idea of god, but that is not Satan worship. Satan worship is much different. Satan worship involves holding the righteousness that comes by the law over the knowledge of God's Righteousness. As Revelations states, those who say they are Jews, but are of the synagogue of Satan.

As to delusion, I believe it can play out in a multitude of way.

Is there a delusion among those who have been set free from the law of sin and death through Christ, yet find themselves continually repenting of sin? Is not repenting from sin a work under the law? Are we to continue to repent of DEAD WORKS? Or does continuing to repent of dead works demonstrate an obedience to the law and a lack of Faith in the one time sacrifice of Christ?
 
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