Who keeps the Sabbath without desecrating it.

[WalterandDebbie]

Please show me a scripture where Jesus actually kept the law of Moses or the Sabbath.

Your scripture says the won't be abolished UNTIL it is fulfilled.

It does not show that Jesus kept the Saabbath or the law as an example.


JLB

I don't think that there is any scripture to show as the above post, If you know of any yourself? except for As there custom was back in the days of Jesus and Paul, Luke 4:16, and Acts 17:2, I had showed before.

This can go on and on if you like because we are getting across to think the same with our proof.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

It's like you didn't even read my post.

Faith doesn't abolish the law, but it does set the literal Mosaic observances aside because they are not needed now.

Which post # 87 or ?

 

[WalterandDebbie]

If it was Jesus custom, to go to the synagogue and teach on the Sabbath, and we are to follow His example, then are you saying we need to go to a synagogue on the Sabbath, so as not to desecrate the Sabbath?

JLB

No, we do not have to go to a synagogue on the Sabbath, we can go to a bible study in a home, or in a church that teaches the same about the Sabbath.

Does the Bible—the word of God—carry less weight than church tradition? ... And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood ... No! Not only did Jesus keep the commandments, He instructed others to keep them as well. ... We have seen that it was Jesus' practice to observe the Sabbath.

Although there is no direct, specific command in the New Testament that ... It was the custom of Jesus Christ and His apostles to attend Sabbath ... Today, we tend to think of the Jerusalem Temple and the synagogues as ... "Bible studies" and meetings in other locations: at members' homes, in ... We have nothing to sell.

Not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching. Hebrews 10:25

The more diligent may also attend a Bible study and/or a second service, but ... Each week we need to be mindful of the Sabbath, we need to bring it to remembrance, and to think on it. ... In other words, no ordinary work is to be done on the sabbath. .... We should not do unnecessary things on the sabbath, such as going on.

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/sabbath-how.html

 

[JLB]

Not only did Jesus keep the commandments,

Which commandments?

I see that He loved God with all His heart, soul and strength.

I see He only did what His Father commanded Him to do.

I see He was led by the Spirit of God.

I don't see where He kept the Sabbath according to the law.

I don't see where He put anyone to death for not keeping the Sabbath.

I don't see where He kept any feast days.

I see where He had communion with His disciples, but I don't see where He sacrificed a lamb and roasted it and ate it.

He is our example, in the things He did, to leave us an example.

He is our example also, in the things He did not do, to leave us an example of what not to do.

JLB

 

[reba]

JLB what was He doing at the passover meal if not keeping feast

k 2:41 Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover.
Luk 2:42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast.


Joh 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
Because some one is not the cook does not mean they dont eat Christmas dinner
We dont know..

 

[JLB]

JLB what was He doing at the passover meal if not keeping feast

He was the Passover Lamb.

He didn't sacrifice a lamb, and roast it.

It was a commandment for Israel to keep the literal feast.

It is not a commandment for the church to keep this literal feast, by sacrificing a lamb and roasting it and eating all of it.

It people want to do this, then that is there business.

If people teach this is a commandment from God, for the Church to do, and is a sin if we don't do it, then they are not teaching the Truth.

That would be the main point, I am making.

Because the scripture says Jesus went to the Synagogue on the Sabbath, some people try to twist that into, the Church is to keep the Sabbath as commanded by Moses.


JLB

 

[JLB]

k 2:41 Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover.
Luk 2:42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast.

Jesus was born under the law, but that does not mean as a man, [13?] that he kept the law of Moses.

He was circumcised, at 8 days old.

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Galatians 5:18

When did He start being led by the Spirit?

Maybe it was during the time of John?

The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it.
Luke 16:16


JLB

 

[JLB]

Joh 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
Because some one is not the cook does not mean they dont eat Christmas dinner
We dont know..

He may have done many things customary by those who kept the law of Moses, He may not have.

One thing I believe He didn't do in the law, was to sacrifice animals for His sin, or peace offering, or guilt offering, or love offering...


JLB

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Which commandments?

I see that He loved God with all His heart, soul and strength.

I see He only did what His Father commanded Him to do.

I see He was led by the Spirit of God.

I don't see where He kept the Sabbath according to the law.

I don't see where He put anyone to death for not keeping the Sabbath.

I don't see where He kept any feast days.

I see where He had communion with His disciples, but I don't see where He sacrificed a lamb and roasted it and ate it.

He is our example, in the things He did, to leave us an example.

He is our example also, in the things He did not do, to leave us an example of what not to do.

JLB

To begin with, you said: I don't see where He kept the Sabbath according to the law.
the Lord is the Law giver: For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; it is he who will save us. Isaiah 33:22 For the LORD is our judge

 

[reba]

He may have done many things customary by those who kept the law of Moses, He may not have.

One thing I believe He didn't do in the law, was to sacrifice animals for His sin, or peace offering, or guilt offering, or love offering...


JLB

We do not know that.. JLB you are always asking for others to post a Scripture to support their view.. Can you posts a Scripture to support your posts? can you show He did not offer a piece offering? We know He did not sin..

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Which commandments?

I see that He loved God with all His heart, soul and strength.

I see He only did what His Father commanded Him to do.

I see He was led by the Spirit of God.

I don't see where He kept the Sabbath according to the law.

I don't see where He put anyone to death for not keeping the Sabbath.

I don't see where He kept any feast days.

I see where He had communion with His disciples, but I don't see where He sacrificed a lamb and roasted it and ate it.

He is our example, in the things He did, to leave us an example.

He is our example also, in the things He did not do, to leave us an example of what not to do.

JLB

You said: I don't see where He kept any feast days. What about Matt. 26:2, New International Version Jesus said: "As you know, the Passover is two days away--and the Son of Man will be handed over to be crucified." New Living Translation.

and https://www.google.com/webhp?source...F-8#q=Mary+and+Joseph+was+searching+for+Jesus

 

[reba]

How can any figure He was with sin and yet did not follow the God given laws..

 

[WalterandDebbie]

He may have done many things customary by those who kept the law of Moses, He may not have.

One thing I believe He didn't do in the law, was to sacrifice animals for His sin, or peace offering, or guilt offering, or love offering...


JLB

Jesus kept the law, https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=jesus+kept+the+law

 

[reba]

The Law of "Moses" was God given... and given for good..because God loves them
Psa 1:1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
Psa 1:2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
Psa_19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple
Psa 105:8 He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.
Psa 105:9 Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac;

Deu 4:1 Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the LORD God of your fathers giveth you.

Deu 33:1 And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death.
Deu 33:2 And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.
Deu 33:3 Yea, he loved the people; all his saints are in thy hand: and they sat down at thy feet; every one shall receive of thy words.
Deu 4:7 For what nation is there so great, who hath God so nigh unto them, as the LORD our God is in all things that we call upon him for?
Deu 4:8 And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day?

 

[JLB]

To begin with, you said: I don't see where He kept the Sabbath according to the law.
the Lord is the Law giver: For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; it is he who will save us. Isaiah 33:22 For the LORD is our judge

Still don't see any scriptures that show Jesus kept the Sabbath, according to Moses.

If you find one, please post it so we can discuss.

JLB

 

[JLB]

The Law of "Moses" was God given... and given for good..because God loves them
Psa 1:1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
Psa 1:2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
Psa_19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple
Psa 105:8 He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.
Psa 105:9 Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac;

Deu 4:1 Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the LORD God of your fathers giveth you.

Deu 33:1 And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death.
Deu 33:2 And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.
Deu 33:3 Yea, he loved the people; all his saints are in thy hand: and they sat down at thy feet; every one shall receive of thy words.
Deu 4:7 For what nation is there so great, who hath God so nigh unto them, as the LORD our God is in all things that we call upon him for?
Deu 4:8 And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day?

All scripture is good, and given by inspiration of the Spirit.

The law of Moses was good, in its time.

The law of Christ is the law of the new covenant.

He has made everything beautiful, in its time.


JLB

 

[reba]

Mar_6:2 And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands?

 

[reba]

Luk_4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

 

[reba]

Luk_4:31 And came down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and taught them on the sabbath days.

 

[JLB]

Luk_4:31 And came down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and taught them on the sabbath days.

Luk_4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Mar_6:2 And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands?

Great scripture.

He taught them in a synagogue.

Everyone was off work on the Sabbath, so no one would missn hearing the word taught in the synagogue.

What does this have to do with the law of Moses.

Are you suggesting we are to attend a synagogue on the Sabbath, because Jesus did?


JLB