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Here is my latest theory on why the Geneva Bible started using the word "Pastors" in place of "shepherds" in Ephesians 4:11. Please bear in mind that this is just a theory. I will need to do more historical research to see if history backs up this theory or not. When I say theory I only...

Thanks for the input and your attempts to find something definitive on this issue Deborah. I too have run into a dead end but as I was thinking about this before the Lord yesterday and taking into account the input I have gotten and what I found yesterdsy... It dawned on me that I have been too...

I found something today that is interesting with respect to the use of the word "Pastor". This word was in use way before the Geneva Bible came out. I mean in the sense of it referring to what we call Pastors even to this day. John Calvin uses the word "Pastor" numerous times in his...

Thanks for your input GuestDriven. I have tended to view things a little differently (not saying my view is absolutely correct - that is why I am wanting input). Let me quote the verses in full first... I have previously viewed the above "less honourable", and "uncomely parts" as talking...

Thanks for confirming that understanding of what you said Reba. Does that make the one in need more feeble and less honorable (in line with what it says in vs 22 and vs 23)? I don't mean to put you on the spot and ask this of you directly Reba. I am really asking this of anyone that might have...

Hmm...so you are saying that the takers are needed because they allow the givers to give? Is that what you are saying Reba? Carlos

It may not be possible for me to arrive at a definite answer Reba. Still...I was kinda hoping that someone might have read some historical source document or have some input that I might not have thought of. But as you say...that may not be possible. Carlos

Sorry if I broke my own "rule". I just thought it was relevant but I won't do that again. Thanks for pointing that out. Well...obviously you don't care but...well...I am interested in that. Our translations were produced by people who had an extreme interest in what words meant. Is it okay...

I have been seeking the Lord on what these verses mean and was wondering if anyone might care to share their thoughts with me on what they mean? What did Paul mean to say when he mentioned some members of the body as being more feeble and thus necessary (vs 22)? Necessary in what sense? I...

I am not I am not sure tob. That is why I wanted to discuss this. In case anyone had read anything or had any idea that might help me understand why this translation inconsistency occurred. Carlos

Okay...so why don't we call church overseers Servants instead of Pastors then? Word choices are significant in that certain things become associated with certain words. Again what's with the use of the word "Pastor" in the Geneva? If you don't know that's fine but that is what I am...

Let's not make it a big deal then. Humor me. Any idea why the underlying Greek and Hebrew were translated as they were in the verses mentioned? Carlos

I understand what you are saying Free but what do most people think of when they hear the word "Pastor"? A POSITION. Notice the singular dimension of that word in the minds of most. What do they think about when they hear the word "shepherd"? Certainly not a POSITION. Perhaps a...

I find it ironic and telling (though of what I am not yet certain) that the name by which we call church leaders today is not only a Latin word but one which didn't' even exist in versions of the bible before the Geneva and that if it had been properly translated without any kind of bias or...

Okay...let's run with that. The underlying Greek word that is rendered "Pastors" in Ephesians 4:11 (by the Geneva Bible and most later English bible's) is poimēn or Strong's G4166. That Greek word is found 18 times in 17 verses in the Greek underlying the King James bible (though I do not...