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I agree that there are different symbols portraying the final judgment of God. All the ones you mentioned are correct and the battle symbolism is no different. It's all referring to the time when Christ returns to judge mankind for their sins and does away with sin and evil once and for all...

Why is there need for a physical battle when this verse below shows the most effective means? 2 Peter 3:10-12 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the...

You are right I have to take that back. :lol

Nah... Everyone that has predicted a date for the end of the world has failed so far. I don't anticipate 2012 to be any different. I've been hearing so many end of the world theories and date setting ever since I was a young kid. We need to be ready for the return of Christ because he...

I agree with Mysteryman and Hank and with what you said Mike. :thumb We shouldn't think that God is bringing judgment whenever calamity strikes. That may or may not be the case but it serves as a warning to us that unless we repent we too will perish for all eternity. True judgment for...

Revelation 12 is referring to the entire New Testament church age.

I think you are right. I have not gained that impression that there is going to be some huge giant nuclear war. I believe that the battle of Armageddon is just a term that describes the time that Satan rounds up all his forces in his final and most powerful attempt to deceive the entire world...

Yes I do understand your position on this. But my question was rather where did the the conclusion you have come to originate from? You stated that you believed this long before your church taught it. Did you come to this conclusion *alone* without getting the idea from another source...

I'm interested in something here... For those who believe in a 7 year great tribulation period and that the final week of 70 weeks is the great tribulation period and "jacob's trouble". What authors\books have you been reading? Does this teaching come from your church?

If that's the case show us the unleavened bread.

Yeah that sounds right. :thumb :yes

It seems interesting that the "son of perdition" is mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2 where it is talking about Satan arising in the temple of God and the "falling away" that occurs at that time. Maybe it's a little far fetched though. But this is the only other place in scripture that I'm...

WOW NICE CATCH... that is interesting... hmmm.... :chin I'm wondering if Judas is also a symbol or type of betrayer that would occur in the future? I'm wondering if the church is compared to like the twelve apostles or the twelve tribes and one of them goes into betrayal.

I'm not an insider either but I did find this comment to be hilarious. :lol

No because the Bible is a spiritual book and ones eyes can only be open if God opens them. No amount of intelligence will be able to unlock the passages of scripture. BUT if your eyes are open, having a logical mind helps. Newton makes sense whereas many theories I've seen on this forum...

2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ[a] had come. 3 Let no one deceive you...

Yes and dead men don't come to repentence and believe unless it is by the power of God. If Christ paid for the sins of every single individual no person can be cast into hell. No one can by judged according to their works because God would be judging sin through the body of Christ as well as...

Ahh but physicist you missed the point I was trying to make. My point was intended to prove that although it does not seem like God was working in Josephs life (specifically) He indeed was. Does God work in everyone's life to bring a man of meager means to power? Maybe, maybe not...

This thread went all over the place. Pretrib has been fatally fried to a crisp so we had to bring in more food to the table. The gap theory also shows up in this thread too. :lol