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[SputnikBoy]

Tell me, please, do you NOT keep the principles of the Ten Commandments? No 'airy-fairy' stuff, please ...just a simple answer. A 'yes' or a 'no' will suffice.[/color]

cj: Here's a non-airy-fairy simple answer....... No.

Sputnik: Praise be to God ...an answer at last! Thank you.

cj: Christ in me has and does.

Sputnik: Do this mean that one is therefore basically 'programmed' as in 'robotic'?

cj: What fools men are, thinking they can "keep" something in and of themselves.

Sputnik: Are you saying that, if one 'keeps' the commandments, they are doing so NOT because Christ is in them? Is this not a contradiction of your previous remark?

cj: The only thing a "keeper" of the Jewish Sabbath day really keeps is his or her being and living in utter darkness.

Sputnik: Does that piece of philosophy not also apply to most Christians who 'keep' Sunday just as fervantly? If not, why not?

cj: Christ is the true Sabbath of God,.... always was and always will be.

Sputnik: Yes, so I keep hearing ...but I've yet to come across that piece of scripture in my Bible.

 

[cj]

There's only one Bride and one Church and they are grafted into Israel.

No, we are grafted into Christ.

But maybe you are calling Christ Israel?

From poor teaching many believers have a concept that Gentiles have been grafted into the Jews, into Israel, but this is not the case.

In love,
cj

 

[cj]

Do this mean that one is therefore basically 'programmed' as in 'robotic'?

Sputnik, God operates in a spiritual and mystical realm, you will never gain any light regarding this if you attempt to see God according to human concepts.

Life is just God, therefore, to live is just Christ.

Nothing "robotic" or "programmed" about this reality.

cj: What fools men are, thinking they can "keep" something in and of themselves.

Are you saying that, if one 'keeps' the commandments, they are doing so NOT because Christ is in them? Is this not a contradiction of your previous remark?

First, don't play the "fool" and try to put words in my mouth,.... be honest.

Scripture does not only declare that Christ is in a believer, but that Christ and the believer are one. It is because of this oneness, that Christ is able to be expressed through human virtues.

But this oneness is gained by God in men through a long process of transformation and conformation. Therefore, to the degree that a believer has been transformed and conformed is the degree to which this believer can express Christ. This is why you and I still sin, and yet at times express He who is without sin.

Does that piece of philosophy not also apply to most Christians who 'keep' Sunday just as fervantly? If not, why not?

You can call it whatever you want Sputnik, but the bible declares it as truth.

As for this truth being applicable to many Christians,.... absolutely.

The truth is, the majority of believers today have been led astray into many false religious concepts. The false teaching of "keeping" the Jewish Sabbath is just one of them.

Yes, so I keep hearing ...but I've yet to come across that piece of scripture in my Bible.

Your lack of light concerning the truth that is contained in the bible does not change what the bible absolutely declares.

Being under poor ministry will do that to you.


In love,
cj

 

[Jay T]

Re: WHY DOES IT MATTER????????????

Why does it matter what day you worship on, or what church you go to? As long as the church believes and teaches the core beliefs of Christianity the rest is just details.

The 'Everlasting Gospel' mentioned in Revelation 14:6,7 is the gospel first heard, by Adam and Eve.

The plan of salvation is to bring man back into harmony with God's law....since sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4).

One of God's Laws is the 4th commandment....the 7th day Sabbath (Exodus 20:8-11), which Adam and Eve were aware of it he Garden of Eden, where God first established it (Genesis 2:2,3).

James 2:10-12 tells us that to break, any one of the commandments, is to break them all !
And when one allows themselves to really think about that Bible fact...it becomes apparent that all 10 commandments are like links in a chain.

God established the 7th day Sabbath as a [sign] of loyalty to the Creator Himself, when one understands Exodus 20:8-11 & Ezekiel 20/20 together.

 

[cj]

Re: WHY DOES IT MATTER????????????

One of God's Laws is the 4th commandment....the 7th day Sabbath (Exodus 20:8-11),which Adam and Eve were aware of it he Garden of Eden, where God first established it (Genesis 2:2,3).

This is simply a lie from hell,... Satan himself speaking through those who would hold onto the folly false teachings of the doctrine of men that they worship and have allowed to usurp Christ as their Head.

The 7th day that is spoken of in Genesis is the completion of all creation and is symbolic of God gaining His desire in its perfection in the new creation.

This 7th day is an eternal day, one with no end.

The Jewish Sabbath, as established in the Law of Moses, and being for the Jews, is simply a type of that which is to come,..... AS IS ALL THAT WE SEE WITH THAT WHICH GOD GAVE THE JEWS.

EVEN ISRAEL WAS A TYPE, A SHADOW OF THAT WHICH WAS TO COME, AND IS COMING,..... THE CHURCH.

THE TRUTH IS, EVERYTHING IN THE OT IS A POINTER TO THE REALITY THAT COMES IN THE NT.


It is the poor teaching of the apostate denominations that lead believers away from God and His truth as revealed in the scriptures.

Even to the point where a believer would speak a lie and claim that it is of God.


In love,
cj

 

[Jay T]

Re: WHY DOES IT MATTER????????????

One of God's Laws is the 4th commandment....the 7th day Sabbath (Exodus 20:8-11),which Adam and Eve were aware of it he Garden of Eden, where God first established it (Genesis 2:2,3).

This is simply a lie from hell,... Satan himself speaking through those who would hold onto the folly false teachings of the doctrine of men that they worship and have allowed to usurp Christ as their Head.

I see....a person who has yet to read the Bible ?
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This 7th day is an eternal day, one with no end.

As you read the 4th commandment...remember that the word 'REMEMBER' is pointing back to the creation week as the verse 11 tells us. "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy".

20:9 "Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work"

20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:
20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

The Jewish Sabbath, as established in the Law of Moses, and being for the Jews, is simply a type of that which is to come,..... AS IS ALL THAT WE SEE WITH THAT WHICH GOD GAVE THE JEWS.

And since the 7th day Sabbath is not jewish....But God's Holy day, as Christ calls the 7th day Sabbath as ..HIS (Ezekiel 20:12,20.....Isaiah 58:13,14...ect...ect.) !

It is the poor teaching of the apostate denominations that lead believers away from God and His truth as revealed in the scriptures.

Yes it is as Sunday worship services are not supported in scripture as commanded by Jesus Christ, as He said.... Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen. And NOWHERE did Jesus ever mention anything, about Sunday worship services !

Even to the point where a believer would speak a lie and claim that it is of God.

[/quote:1a470]As in the case of Sunday worship services ?

 

[SputnikBoy]

Re: WHY DOES IT MATTER????????????

One of God's Laws is the 4th commandment....the 7th day Sabbath (Exodus 20:8-11),which Adam and Eve were aware of it he Garden of Eden, where God first established it (Genesis 2:2,3).

cj: This is simply a lie from hell,... Satan himself speaking through those who would hold onto the folly false teachings of the doctrine of men that they worship and have allowed to usurp Christ as their Head.

Sputnik: That is very strong language, cj. While the scriptures don't tell us that Adam and Eve 'kept' the Sabbath, we can logically conclude that 'right and wrong' were known to them as well as to those people who followed. We are not told that God had given the commandment, 'Thou shalt not kill'. Still, Cain knew that he did wrong when he killed Abel. He even tried to hide from God. There are many examples of people paying the penalty for sinning way before the Ten Commandments were given.

cj: The 7th day that is spoken of in Genesis is the completion of all creation and is symbolic of God gaining His desire in its perfection in the new creation.

This 7th day is an eternal day, one with no end.

Sputnik: And you arrive at that simply because 'the morning and the evening' are not mentioned in regard to the seventh day as in the previous six days ...right? That's quite an ambitious notion to arrive at based on that fact alone. 'The 7th-day is an eternal day, one with no end' comes from the minds of men ...not from the Bible.

cj: The Jewish Sabbath, as established in the Law of Moses, and being for the Jews, is simply a type of that which is to come,..... AS IS ALL THAT WE SEE WITH THAT WHICH GOD GAVE THE JEWS.

Sputnik: The Sabbath was made for M A N ...and not man for the Sabbath (Mark 2:27).

cj: EVEN ISRAEL WAS A TYPE, A SHADOW OF THAT WHICH WAS TO COME, AND IS COMING,..... THE CHURCH.

THE TRUTH IS, EVERYTHING IN THE OT IS A POINTER TO THE REALITY THAT COMES IN THE NT.

Sputnik: Some things, such as the sacrificial system, certainly.

cj: It is the poor teaching of the apostate denominations that lead believers away from God and His truth as revealed in the scriptures.

Sputnik: Poor teachings that lead believers away from God and His truth as revealed in the scriptures ...you mean those apostate denominations who preach OBEDIENCE to God?

cj: Even to the point where a believer would speak a lie and claim that it is of God.

Sputnik: Speaking a lie and claim that it is of God? Hmmm. Sunday has replaced the 7th-day Sabbath and that is NOT a lie? One can dispute this until the cows come home but it DOES NOT alter the fact. Whether the RCC changed the day or not, IT believes that it did so. Furthermore, the majority of mainstream Christians have embraced the claimed RCC Sabbath as their own. This is why the RCC can boast that it has the power to influence even those denominations that criticize the Catholic Church.