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[__ Science __ ] Genesis - The Story of the Beginning

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Energy doesn't appear physically except when it's changed into physical matter. It took scientists thousands of years before Albert Einstein confirmed God's Holy Word with his theory of relativity.

Hbr 11:3 Through faith we understand that the Worlds (multiverse) were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Einstein learned the SAME thing. He learned that matter and energy were the same. In order to make matter, it takes energy to produce matter in physical form. Then, you will have things which are seen, but made from things which do not appear to the eye.

WHERE did the energy to make two or more Universes come from, you might ask. Below is the answer for it tells us where God lives:

1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Can any one here who believe that Genesis is only figurative and not LITERAL tells us HOW Moses or other ancient men, who lived thousands of years before science, authored the the Book of Genesis... and knew the theory of relativity?

Of course not. It took men thousands of years before Albert Einstein discovered that Scientific Fact of Theory of Relativity. It's proof of our God……

Our God is an Awesome God.
 
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Note: Insertions are mine for presentation:

Gen 1:1-2 In the beginning God Created the heaven (Hebrew - Air) and the Earth (Hebrew -Ground). And the Earth (Ground) was without form, (Dust) and void and darkness (Death) was upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The 3 elements necessary for all physical form are shown... Air, Dust, and Water. Everything which is physical is composed of these 3 elements.The text is correct in showing that the water was not directly created, or spoken into being, because it consists of elements of the Air or Atmosphere. Water is Hydrogen and Oxygen and came from the Atmosphere and is not shown as a separate creation.

This is correct in today's scientific knowledge, but IF the Scriptures were written by Ancient men, Moses would not have known this. He would have written that in the beginning God created the Air, Dust, and Water, but since God Himself is the Author, He correctly shows that the Atmosphere and Ground were created, and the Water was not a separate creation but instead, came from the Atmosphere.

Thus, Genesis 1:1 begins by telling us that the 3 elements created BEFORE the first Day - It was Air, Dust, and Water. YHWH, the Son of God, took some of the air, dust, and water and made the firmament of heaven of Adam's World on the 2nd Day.

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3rd Day, Jesus took these three matters and changed it again into energy by causing a Singularity. Exactly as YHWH or Jesus knew it would, matter inflated from the Black hole made by the first of the first Huge Stars to implode and become a Singularity which produced other Universes.Millions of years later, the Universe had cooled enough to become visible.

Genesis 2:4 gives us the Day this Big Bang happened. It was the 3rd Day the SAME Day the first Earth was made, which was the 3rd Day according to Genesis 1:9-10.

God also got the FACT right that Stars didn't shine until the 4th Day, which was millions of years AFTER the Big Bang. This is a recent scientific discovery. There is NO way any ancient man Moses could have possibly known this. It's proof of our Awesome God.

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Interesting. I agree with most of what you have said here apart from a few things

It wasn't just Einstein that contributed to our understanding of the universe today but many scientists. Georges Lemaître was the first to propose an expanding universe in 1927

Albert himself didn't believe that the universe had a beginning. He changed his mind in 1931 after he met with astronomer Edwin Hubble to look into his 100 inch telescope. Soon after Einstein admitted that his theory of relativity was incorrect due to the cosmological constant which he had introduced to account for the error.

The other thing is the belief in multiple universes. This is nothing more than a belief. It's not even scientific given that it cannot be tested or calculated. It became popular when astrophysicists failed at explaining the universe through mathematics.

Besides this I understand what you are saying and agree that recent findings in astronomy do in fact support God.
 

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God tells us we live in a Multiverse, composed of at least 3 universes. Today's physics has confirmed that it's possible and currently scientists from all over the world are seeking to confirm those equations.

Hbr 11:3 Through faith we understand that the WorldS (multiverse) were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

The first Heaven or World was in the midst of water below and above it and later destroyed in a Flood.
The second Heaven is our present World - surrounded by Star Dust - which is scheduled to be burned.
The third Heaven or World is the object of the Creation, contains a single city with streets of gold and gates of pearl, and it will never die (Rev.21).

The first heaven was made the SECOND Day. Genesis 1:6-8
The second heaven was made the THIRD Day. Genesis 2:4
The third heaven was is also made on the THIRD Day. Genesis 2:4

Do you see the Plurality of Shamayim in Genesis 2:4,
LITERALLY speaking? It's a Multiverse alright.

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavenS (Plural) and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.


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Genesis 1&2 is an Outline of ALL of the events leading to the Creation of the Perfect Heaven. Most of the rest of the Bible refers to the present 6th Day, but ALL of the Bible refers to the events of God's 6 Creative Days. That's why we are taken back to the 3rd Day at Gen 2:4. The narrative is adding details to the events listed in Gen 1. Both accounts Gen 1 & 2 agree totally and in detail.

Since God sees the end from the beginning, Isa 46:10 He wrote the complete HISTORY of His Seven Days in the first 34 verses of Genesis. At Genesis 2:4 the narrative RETURNS to the details of the THIRD Day.

[Isa 46:10 KJV] Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times [the things] that are not [yet] done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

In other words, the first 34 verses of Genesis tell us the ENTIRE History of God's 7 Days of Creation, including events which will NOT happen until AFTER Jesus returns to this Planet. Gen 1:28-31.


Here’s a brief summary of how I read the first five verses of the the Book of Genesis - The Beginning:

Genesis 1:1 Is a Preface or Introduction - The Story of the Beginning of the Physical Worlds.
Genesis 1:2 Tells us the condition of the deep - formless / void - before the making of the physical world.
Genesis 1:3 The bringing forth of the LIGHT before anything is made that was made - before the world was.
Genesis 1:4 The division of light from darkness - the first work of old.
Genesis 1:5 The evening and the morning the first day of creation.

As you can see, based on the above perspective of the cited texts, our physical heaven and earth that we know of today is still formless and void on the 1st Day of Creation. The 1st formation of the firmament of Heaven took place on the 2nd Day - Gen 1:6-8. Our Earth was formed/made on the 3rd Day.


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Hmm interesting. I have always wondered about the 3 heavens. Biblical scholars have other theories but yours is just as good as theirs i think anyway...

Do u think God created everything in 7 days literally or is it a figure of speech?
 

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Each of God's Days in Genesis 1 & 2 is NOT 24 hours since the word days comes from the Hebrew word Yowm which can mean 12 or 24 hours, a lifetime or an Eternity. A Day is a period of labor and God has ONLY 6 periods of labor when He is working to make His perfect Heaven and fill it with perfect mankind.

A Yowm is a period of Labor or work when God is doing His work of creating. There is NO time limit or number of days, years, etc
. A good example is the Scriptural Fact that TODAY remains the 6th Creative Day of God.... and the 6th Day will NOT end until AFTER our Cosmos is burned which is AFTER Jesus rules and reigns on Earth for a thousand years. Revelation 20:5

In fact, today, God continues to create and save sinners in Christ which means that we live today at Gen 1:27 because God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in Christ. We will NOT advance to the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns.

2Co 6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

The Un-Scriptural idea, that the 6 Creative Days and the 1 Day of Rest in Gen 1&2, are 24 hour periods of Time, is refuted by Scripture. The 7th Day has no End
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Most people don't know the difference between God's time and man's time.

God has but 7 Days and Today is the still the 6th Day of Genesis. At the end of this present 6th Creative Day, Heaven will be complete, and all believers will be there. When Heaven is brought to Perfection, God will rest for Eternity, the 7th Day of God in Genesis has No end.

Man's time began on the 4th Day
and depends on the movements of the Sun, Moon, and Stars. Since God is present, but also beyond this Universe, He is Not subject to the movements of our Stars. Man's time is temporal and will cease when this Universe is burned. God's time is Eternal.

A good example of this Scriptural Truth is when YHWH - the Son of God - told Adam that he would surely die IN THE DAY he disobeyed his commandment. Adam did Not die physically within 24 hours, for he lived to be 930 years old as shown in Gen 5:1-5 AFTER being created in the image and likeness of God. Adam did not die Spiritually because God doesn't make mistakes and those who are born Spiritually in the image and likeness of God are born Eternally.

Did Satan tell A&E the Truth, and YHWH lie to them? There is only One way the LORD can be right, and that is for Today to be the 6th Day. All mankind has lived and died on the present 6th Day. And the end of the 6th Day of God is still future. God will Not rest until His Creation is made Perfect.

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IN THE DAY, Adam and his generations were Created spiritually in the image and likeness of God (Gen 1:26-27; 5:1-3) - both A&E have already committed their "original sins"; sent out of the garden of Eden; Cain had already killed Abel. Believe it or not.

This Creation Event took place during the Seth' generations; and only after Man began to call upon the name of the Lord (Gen 4:26).

Gen 5:1-3
v1 This is the book of the generations of Adam.
IN THE DAY that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
v2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam,
IN THE DAY when they were created.
v3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:


Cain, who was a Murderer and a Liar from the beginning, could NOT have been included in the generations of Adam IN THE DAY they were created in the image and likeness of God or Born Again, spiritually - Gen 5:1-3. That would have been disgusting, isn't it.

As you can see, Scripture documents us, that .... NOT everybody is created in the image and likeness of God upon natural birth, unless, one call upon the name of the Lord, and be Born Again, spiritually in Christ, the express image of the invisible God.


1 Cor 15:45-46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

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The Son of God was at the bosom of the invisible Almighty God Father before the Making of our Physical Worlds (plural) in the Beginning.

YHWH, the Son, came forth or begotten into the Physical World from the invisible Spirit of his Father, when He commanded and spoke His "Word" in the Beginning and said, Let there be Light; and there was light. (Gen 1:3).

YHWH became the only God ever physically formed for us to see and witness. Before him there was none, neither there shall be after him. He is the Express Image of the invisible God, physically - the First Born of Every Creature (Col 1:15).

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses (eye witnesses), saith the LORD (YHWH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was No God Formed, neither shall there be after me.

To be witnessed is to be seen or experience by others, physically. Of course, in case you have a wrong idea, the Son was Not Created, since, He was already God himself from the Beginning; from Everlasting - BEFORE the world was.

YHWH or Jesus. the Son, provided the Light in the Beginning of Creation (Alpha) Gen 1:3, just as He would also be the one to provide the Light of the New Heaven and New Earth in the End (Omega) ref. Rev 21:23. In fact, the brightness of His Glory is brighter than the noon day sun.

Rev21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof
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Without YHWH, the Son, was Not anything made that was made, because Everything Physical was made - as a potter would mold a clay - by the Physical Hands of the Only God, the Only Image, the Only Begotten Son of the Invisible Spirit of God.

When we get to Heaven, we will truly understand that the Son is our One God, for In Him dwelleth ALL of the fullness of the Godhead, Bodily.

God bless


Note: The Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit- the Spirit of Love - without any physical shape or form that no man hath seen at any time and changes not.
 
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Hi again seve, hope your doing well.
I was going to ask u something recently but I didn't seeing the thread was so old.

Is this interpretation of Creation yours or is it an interpretation of a church?

So how far along the 6th day do u think we might be?
Does it coincide with the book of Revelation?

I read a book on spiritual warfare that said this;
"When darkness is in operation we see confusion, disruption and disorder. This has been the form from the beginning. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep". The emptiness and darkness that characterized the work of God at creation was not part of the original plan. It was the work of darkness. That's why God started the work of change by rebuking the darkness first."

It basically says that the light and darkness we read about in the first day is not literal but metaphorical as in good and evil. It says that battle has been happening since the beginning.
"The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. " 1 John 3:8

I believe the theory has some merit. We aren't told how much time elapsed from the 1st to the 2nd verse in Genesis 1. In that time God created the angels and Lucifer turned to the dark side. This event must of taken place sometime before God created Adam and Eve (humanity as u describe it) As it was Satan who was the snake that deceive Eve.

The literal light was created on the 4th day with the sun, moon and stars. So it begs the question, what was the light on the first day?

The problem of evil is why God is making a new heaven and a new earth (in a new universe probs) as described in John's Revelation. Free of evil, death and decay.

What do u think of that theory?
 

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Genesis 1:1-2 In the beginning God created the heaven (Hebrew-air) and the earth (Hebrew-ground). v2 And the earth (ground) was without form, and void;(empty) and darkness (Death) was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved (brooded) upon the face of the waters.

God (Trinity) had created Air, Dust, and Water in the beginning of our Physical World but Death was upon everything He had created because it was APART from His spiritual realm.. and to be APART from the invisible God spiritually is subject to Death (this is exactly why we need to be Born Again in the image and likeness of God spiritually).

God knew that in order for Death to be defeated, (He sees the end from the beginning-Isa 46:10), God would have to pay the penalty for our sins, PHYSICALLY.... So He commanded the "WORD" in the beginning and said…. "Let there be Light and there was light"... and YHWH, the Son, came forth into the physical world from within the invisible Spirit of God, as the ONLY Begotten Son of God to shape and mold the ground which was without form like dust and shape it physically.

In fact, Scripture also is telling us that YHWH or Jesus, the Son, was before all things as the following verses confirms.These verses below are speaking of Jesus, the Son:


Col 1:16 For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him:
v17 And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist.


Is your idea of Him different than this? Unless Jesus, the Son, is FIRST in your view, it doesn't fit the above description, therefore, the notions are refuted by the Scripture.

Jesus IS the Light of the first Day. Gen 1:3 as He will also be the one to provide the light in the New heaven and New Earth in the end. Amen?

Rev. 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

The Son of God is the same Yesterday, Today, and Forever. His glory is Brighter than the Noon Day Sun - Act 26:12-15

On the way to Damascus, Saul was blinded by the Light of Jesus at noon day.

Act 26:12-15 Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests,
v13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me. v14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. v15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.

Also, as I have posted before, the present 6th Day, is the Day of Salvation and the Day of Judgment for ALL of humans. ALL Human kind is Created/Made and physically Die on this present 6th Day.

2Co 6:2 (For He saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, NOW is the day of salvation.)

At the end after the Final Judgment, Satan and Death will be cast into hell. Then, Death has been defeated, and we will rise before the beginning of the 7th Day to be with our Lord on the 3rd Heaven or World.

1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death

The begging question now becomes.... Do Humans still physically die now-a-days? If so, then the End of God's 6th Creative Day is still FUTURE because when God's work is finished (brought to perfection), there will be No More Death (Rev 21:4) anymore.

[Rev 21:4 KJV] 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

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darkness (Death) was upon the face of the deep
And where did death come from?
I'm saying it came from Satan. He is the prince of darkness that need to be flushed out by God's light, true?

Jesus IS the Light of the first Day. Gen 1:3 as He will also be the one to provide the light in the New heaven and New Earth in the end. Amen?
Are u saying that's when Christ came to earth?
I thought u said mankind wasn't created until later on with Adam and Eve.

At the end after the Final Judgment, Satan and Death will be cast into hell.
Ye we're still a while away from that. There is still the 1000 years of Christ's reign on earth while Satan is locked away
 

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Where did Death come in the beginning BEFORE the world was?

Again, read my immediate post below and try to understand it with an open mind: (Don't confuse yourself limited only to mankind' death that enter into this world as the result of Adam's sin.)

God (Trinity) had created Air, Dust, and Water in the beginning of our Physical World but Death was upon everything He had created because it was APART from His spiritual realm..... and to be APART from the invisible God spiritually is subject to Death (this is exactly why we need to be Born Again in the image and likeness of God spiritually)
The traditional belief that the Son of the invisible God Father only Physically Existed into this world AFTER he was born of our virgin Mary’ womb in the New Testament is WRONG and not supported by the Scripture.

Heb 1
v4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. v5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time,*Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee?
(cross - Psa 2:7) AND AGAIN, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? v6 AND AGAIN, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Why do you suppose the words "AND AGAIN" are used repeatedly or emphasized in the Scripture 2x? Let's continue reading.

v10 And,Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

As I have explained before, the Son of God - called Lord God in the OT- was brought forth (begotten) BEFORE the world was…. and provided the Light (Gen 1:3) in the beginning of creation.

The Son also MADE / FORMED our physical worlds with his own physical hands - like a Potter would mold a clay. He was AGAIN sent into this world in the New Testament; made flesh; took the Form of a Man by being born of the Virgin Mary; and die for us to save us form our sins.

v9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

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Where did Death come in the beginning BEFORE the world was?

Again, read my immediate post below and try to understand it with an open mind: (Don't confuse yourself limited only to mankind' death that enter into this world as the result of Adam's sin.)



The traditional belief that the Son of the invisible God Father only Physically Existed into this world AFTER he was born of our virgin Mary’ womb in the New Testament is WRONG and not supported by the Scripture.

Heb 1
v4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. v5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time,*Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee?
(cross - Psa 2:7) AND AGAIN, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? v6 AND AGAIN, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Why do you suppose the words "AND AGAIN" are used repeatedly or emphasized in the Scripture 2x? Let's continue reading.

v10 And,Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

As I have explained before, the Son of God - called Lord God in the OT- was brought forth (begotten) BEFORE the world was…. and provided the Light (Gen 1:3) in the beginning of creation.

The Son also MADE / FORMED our physical worlds with his own physical hands - like a Potter would mold a clay. He was AGAIN sent into this world in the New Testament; made flesh; took the Form of a Man by being born of the Virgin Mary; and die for us to save us form our sins.

v9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

God Bless
I don't agree but im not going to try and talk you out of your belief.

Can u tell me if this is your personal interpretation or that of a church pls
 

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I don't agree but im not going to try and talk you out of your belief.
That's fine with me. We can always agree to disagree. I don't believe in an Ancient Traditional Theology nor do I think you can refute my biblical stand using the Scripture that is contrary to what I have posted and claimed on this thread, anyway.

Can u tell me if this is your personal interpretation or that of a church pls
No, it's not my personal interpretation. We have few of our Christian Brethren who subscribe to this belief. Our understanding is based on what is written in the Scripture supported by biblical proof texts, proven science and historical facts, if necessary. We are a Non-Denominational Christians.

Isa 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.

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The Son of God physically EXISTED separately from His invisible God Father - Even BEFORE the World Was. He was brought forth (BEGOTTEN) - from the BOSOM of the Invisible Spirit of the Father (Jhn 1:18) and sent into our physical world in the beginning of Genesis, when God commanded the "WORD" and said, "LET THERE BE LIGHT; and there was light." Gen. 1:3

It is also a Biblical fact that the invisible God Father has its OWN SELF BEING separate from the Son. Here’s what the Son said and testified to during the time he was praying to his Father before his physical death on the cross in the New Testament.

Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with THINE OWN SELF with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

The brightness of the Glory of the Lord is brighter than our own noon day sun (Acts 26:12-13) which is obviously a Physical Trait. The Son is reminding his invisible Father of the Brightness of his Glory that he shared with Him even BEFORE the world was.

Thus, YHWH or Jesus , the Son, became the only God Physically Formed for us to see and witness - before Him there was none; neither there shall be after him.

Of course, He was NOT created since He was already God himself and brought
into the physical world from the beginning; from everlasting. (Jhn 1:1)

Note: The Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit- the Spirit of Love - is without Physical shape or Form that no man hath seen at any time and changes not. - whose Real Name is NOT yet been revealed to anyone at this time.

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Hmm interesting. I have always wondered about the 3 heavens. Biblical scholars have other theories but yours is just as good as theirs i think anyway...

Do u think God created everything in 7 days literally or is it a figure of speech?
There are three heavens:

First heaven - The firmament, Earths Atmosphere -which is the immediate sky, where the “fowls of the heaven” (Genesis 2:19; 7:3,23; Psalms 8:8, etc.), “the eagles of heaven” (Lamentations 4:19), it is our atmosphere that surrounds the earth.

Second Heaven - Outer Space, the starry heavens (Deuteronomy 17:3; Jeremiah 8:2; Matthew 24:29).

The second heaven is the starry heavens, where our atmosphere ends. It is the heavens in which the sun, moon, and stars are fixed in orbit.

Third Heaven - This is where God, Jesus and the holy angels dwell plus the very breath of just men dwell as when we die it is that breath that returns back to God. It is called “The heaven of heavens,” (Deuteronomy 10:14; 1 Kings 8:27; Psalms 115:16; 148:4). (1Kings 8:27) - “The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. The third heaven is beyond the space and stars. Where no man has seen by telescope. This heaven is the dwelling-place of God (John 3:13).

CREATION:

Isaiah 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

Jeremiah 10:12 He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion

DESTRUCTION:

Hebrews 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

Hebrews 1:11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;

Hebrews 1:12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

2Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

NEW HEAVENS and NEW EARTH

Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

2Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.









 

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XRose welcome to CF and glad you are with us.

There are two terms of service (ToS) being 1.1 and 1.3 that we adhere to in the forums. What seve presents here is not that far off in some of what he has presented as I have studied these things for years and agree in part. We always try to bring God to our own understanding instead of actually trying to understand that which has always been.

I know you are new here and we try to keep the discussions within unity of love and brotherhood, even if we disagree. These are his views of how he understands the scriptures within creation.

I have not seen your views or understanding, but only bashing another member. It would do us all well if you could show in scripture where he has erred and within that we can all discuss this as loving rational adults.

We might not always agree with each other, but do try to discuss our indifference as one can draw light to scripture in something we might have never seen or understood before. This is an interesting topic that is worthy of a good discussion and I hope we can all get along with each other within the discussions.

God bless you dear sister.
 

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God tells us we live in a Multiverse, composed of at least 3 universes. Today's physics has confirmed that it's possible and currently scientists from all over the world are seeking to confirm those equations.

Hbr 11:3 Through faith we understand that the WorldS (multiverse) were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

The first Heaven or World was in the midst of water below and above it and later destroyed in a Flood.
The second Heaven is our present World - surrounded by Star Dust - which is scheduled to be burned.
The third Heaven or World is the object of the Creation, contains a single city with streets of gold and gates of pearl, and it will never die (Rev.21).

The first heaven was made the SECOND Day. Genesis 1:6-8
The second heaven was made the THIRD Day. Genesis 2:4
The third heaven was is also made on the THIRD Day. Genesis 2:4

Do you see the Plurality of Shamayim in Genesis 2:4,
LITERALLY speaking? It's a Multiverse alright.

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavenS (Plural) and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Some extreme loyalist of the Ancient Traditional View of the Scripture spend their time trying to force their religious position to agree with the Scripture. The FACT is that the word heaven (Heb - shamayim) is used to indicate air (literally speaking) and sky as well as the heaven/firmament where Jesus is today, physically.

However, those extreme believers who rely on studying these ancient words REFUSE to accept the fact that these words have more than one meaning. However, those who pray for more wisdom and understanding and have been Born Again Spiritually are the ones that can only possibly understand the actual intended meaning of the words and which definition the Holy Spirit used when He authored Genesis from within the men who penned them. 1Co 2:14

Strong's gives us the various usage of the words used in Scripture however, which usage of these words used is the view of mere mortal men. Some, who study these words, give more credence to man's views than God's views.

A good example is that the word heaven can be used to mean air, heaven/universe, or the sky.

Transliteration
shamayim
Pronunciation
shä·mah'·yim heaven (398x), air (21x), astrologers (with H1895) (1x
שָׁמַיִם shâmayim, shaw-mah'-yim; dual of an unused singular שָׁמֶה shâmeh; from an unused root meaning to be lofty; the sky (as aloft; the dual perhaps alluding to the visible arch in which the clouds move, as well as to the higher ether where the celestial bodies revolve):—air, × astrologer, heaven(-s).

Beware those who try to force their extreme biased view into the account while refusing to acknowledge whether or not there’s another meaning of the usage “word” that clearly agrees with the full context of the text of the cited Scripture.

They do NOT understand that Genesis agrees in EVERY way with EVERY other discovered Truth so they invent their own Spirit-free view. This view does NOT agree with either Scripture, Science nor History so they claim there is one Truth for the Bible and another for scientists and historians.

This is FALSE since God's Truth MUST agree with EVERY other discovered Truth or you have the WRONG interpretation of Scripture since there is ONLY One Truth and God's Truth ALWAYS agrees with every other discovered Truth.

God Bless
 
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