[__ Science __ ] Genesis - The Story of the Beginning

[for_his_glory]

This says nothing about the third heaven being a physical place. We do have a tendency to try to visualize it in our minds eye like we are visualizing the physical within the symbolic description, but nothing of God and His Spiritual realm are of physical substance, but only Spiritual within the symbolism of the physical description.

Just like all the revelations, which means the revealing, John is given visions by the angel Jesus sent to speak to John while he was imprisoned on the isle of Patmos, Rev Chapter 1.

What is meant by the New Jerusalem being ushered down by God is that after everything has been fulfilled after Christ returns, this present heaven (atmosphere) and earth will pass away and all things made new again as at that time even Jerusalem will be made new again and IMO be like the paradise of Garden of Eden. It's not like God has carpenters up there building a whole material city.

No one knows what the third heaven could look like as no one here on earth, dead or alive, has ever entered into it. John 3:13.

 

[seve]

This says nothing about the third heaven being a physical place. We do have a tendency to try to visualize it in our minds eye like we are visualizing the physical within the symbolic description, but nothing of God and His Spiritual realm are of physical substance, but only Spiritual within the symbolism of the physical description.

My biblical stand is always based strictly on what is written in the Scripture. In fact, based on the cited text below, our body will be change from corruptible into uncorruptible when we are raised from the dead.

1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. v51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, v52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. v53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. v54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Man was made a living soul on the 3rd Day and lived with YHWH, the Son of God, as his Meet during the Creation of our Worlds for Billions of years before he disobeyed and was made in a Perfect Body with SHEKINAH GLORY. But lost his Shekinah Glory and found himself NAKED (Flesh and Blood) after he disobeyed the 1st commandment of the Lord and sinned by eating the forbidden fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil on the 6th Day.

Therefore, based on cited Scriptural Proof Iext above, it is my biblical opinion, we will ALL be given back the same Original Uncorruptible Physical Body like Adam had (SHEKINAH GLORY) before he sinned in the beginning, however, this time, there would NOT be a Forbidden Fruit to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil to sinned anymore.... but instead the Tree of Life will reappear in the midst of the paradise for us to enjoy the eternal life.

Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

COMMON SENSE DICTATES... NO DOUBT.... IT'S A PHYSICAL HEAVEN ALRIGHT.

God Bless

God tells us we live in a Multiverse, composed of at least 3 universes. Today's physics has confirmed that it's possible and currently scientists from all over the world are seeking to confirm those equations.

Hbr 11:3 Through faith we understand that the WorldS (multiverse) were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

The first Heaven or World was in the midst of water below and above it and later destroyed in a Flood.
The second Heaven is our present World - surrounded by Star Dust - which is scheduled to be burned.
The third Heaven or World is the object of the Creation, contains a single city with streets of gold and gates of pearl, and it will never die (Rev.21).

The first heaven was made the SECOND Day. Genesis 1:6-8
The second heaven was made the THIRD Day. Genesis 2:4
The third heaven was is also made on the THIRD Day. Genesis 2:4

Do you see the Plurality of Shamayim in Genesis 2:4, LITERALLY speaking? It's a Multiverse alright.

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavenS (Plural) and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

God Bless

 

[for_his_glory]

Man was made a living soul on the 3rd Day and lived with YHWH, the Son of God, as his Meet during the Creation of our Worlds for Billions of years before he disobeyed and was made in a Perfect Body with SHEKINAH GLORY. But lost his Shekinah Glory and found himself NAKED (Flesh and Blood) after he disobeyed the 1st commandment of the Lord and sinned by eating the forbidden fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil on the 6th Day.

Genesis 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

You can clearly see by those scriptures I posted in Genesis Chapter 1 that man was not created until the sixth day, not the third. God had finished all His work on the sixth day including the garden of Eden where He placed Adam as the God rested on the seventh day as all was good before Him.

1 Corinthians 15:50-58 does not occur until Christ returns on the last day when all things will be fulfilled and then that of John 5:28, 29; and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 takes place where we will be with the Lord forever.

BTW, there is only one Shekinah Glory as it expresses the glory and the presence of God, not man, Psalms 18:7-15; Exodus 13:21, 22; 24:16-18; 25:22; 40:34-48; Numbers 9:15-23; 10:11-36.

 

[seve]

Adam was PHYSICALLY FORMED (Heb-Yatsar) squeezed into shape like a Potter molds the clay on the 3rd Day Gen 2:4-7 BEFORE Eve was made from his rib on the 6th Day; And together, they were CREATED (Heb- Bara) spiritually in the image and likeness of God on the 6th Day.

This Creation Event took place AFTER both A&E have already committed their “original sin”; cast out of the Garden of Eden; They had Cain and Abel; Cain killed Abel; Then, man called upon the name of the Lord (Gen 4:26) during Seth generation; They were forgiven and redeemed by God - the Trinity - by being Created in the image and likeness of God spiritually and Eternally Gen 1:26; 2:5-1-3. John 14:16 confirms that it takes the agreement of the TRINITY to "Create" - "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness." This actual Creation Event happened during Seth generations.

Gen 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God (Elohim) created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
v2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
v3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Now, Here's where you can reconcile Scripturally how Adam was Physically Formed (Hebrew- yatsar) from the Dust on the 3rd Day BEFORE he was Created (Hebrew- bara') in the image and likeness of God, spiritually, on the 6th Day.

Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

As you noticed, the Earth was made on the THIRD Day. Gen 1:9-10 These verses are documenting the events of the THIRD Day.

v5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
v6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

Notice that these verses are continuing to identify the time on the THIRD Day BEFORE the plants, herbs, and Trees GREW. Gen 1:12-13

v7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

On the THIRD Day, the SAME Day the Earth was made but BEFORE the plants GREW, the LORD made man of the dust of the ground. Correct?

Read the next verses which confirm once again that Scripture is speaking of the THIRD Day.

v8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the Man whom He had formed.
v9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Notice that the Trees were made AFTER the LORD made Adam on the THIRD Day in total agreement with Gen 1:12-13.

Also notice that on the 3rd Day Man was NOT created (Hebrew - bara) but was physically formed (Hebrew - yatsar) - like a potter would mold a clay - from the of dust of the ground becoming a natural living soul.

In other words, Adam was Physically Formed/Made on the 3rd Day and CREATED in God's Image and likeness or Born Again Spiritually and Eternally on the 6th Day, only after A&E already have committed their original sin ; AFTER Cain had already killed Abel. In fact, the actual Creation Event took place during Seth's generations? when men started to call upon the name of the Lord - Gen 4:26; Gen 5:1-2

God Bless

 

[for_his_glory]

One can not take scripture and form it to say what they believe, but have to take scripture for how it is written for us to understand how and when each event of God's creation took place.

Could you please post your source for whose teachings you are following so I can go read what they teach? Thank you.

 

[seve]

My source is only the Bible itself (Old English King James Version) and the Blue Letter Bible for my research and Hebrew' original words used to translate to English. I have no outside source (book etc.) except it be the Holy Spirit which I prayed for more wisdom and understanding.

However, I do have a friend in the Internet in the mid '90's (SN Aman777), A Brother in Christ, who help me a lot - working together and analyzing the actual hidden meaning of what's written in the Scripture - to solve and understand the mysteries in the narratives of the Book of Genesis 1&2 thru Biblical Proof Text, proven Scientific findings and Historical facts or discoveries.

God Bless

 

[jasonc]

There is no such thing as Hebrew - air or Hebrew-ground. In the beginning there were no Hebrews or Gentiles, but only those who God created, until the days of Abraham who was the first to be called a Hebrew being the first Hebrew patriarch, Genesis 14:13.

The word "Hebrew" in the Hebrew language is עִבְרִי "Ivrie" which means to cross over from the other side, or pass through. It's better defined in Joshua 24:3-15. The Hebrew alphabet had no vowels so "Ivrie" would be the English spelling.

We see this in Abraham being born in a pagan family and also helping to build the Tower of Babel where God confused the languages. Abraham first began to speak in the Hebrew language during this time as he crossed over from the paganism lifestyle of his culture and started seeking out the true God of all creation.

There are three heavens:
First heaven - The firmament, Earths Atmosphere -which is the immediate sky, where the “fowls of the heaven” (Genesis 2:19; 7:3,23; Psalms 8:8, etc.), “the eagles of heaven” (Lamentations 4:19), it is our atmosphere that surrounds the earth.

Second Heaven - Outer Space, the starry heavens (Deuteronomy 17:3; Jeremiah 8:2; Matthew 24:29).
The second heaven is the starry heavens, where our atmosphere ends. It is the heavens in which the sun, moon, and stars are fixed in orbit.

Third Heaven - This is where God, Jesus and the holy angels dwell plus the very breath of just men dwell as when we die it is that breath that returns back to God. It is called “The heaven of heavens,” (Deuteronomy 10:14; 1 Kings 8:27; Psalms 115:16; 148:4). (1Kings 8:27) - “The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. The third heaven is beyond the space and stars. Where no man has seen by telescope. This heaven is the dwelling-place of God (John 3:13).

CREATION:
Isaiah 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

Jeremiah 10:12 He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion

DESTRUCTION:
Hebrews 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

NEW HEAVENS and NEW EARTH
Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Modern Hebrew is taught from the Torah and yes all words save the Heshem have vowels .my pastor has written words on the board in, Hebrew and put,the vowels in them,once you learn the language well enough you don't write them.other wise modern Hebrew couldn't be spoken and modern Hebrew is what the bible uses as the mss used it

 

[for_his_glory]

My source is only the Bible itself (Old English King James Version) and the Blue Letter Bible for my research and Hebrew' original words used to translate to English. I have no outside source (book etc.) except it be the Holy Spirit which I prayed for more wisdom and understanding.

However, I do have a friend in the Internet in the mid '90's (SN Aman777), A Brother in Christ, who help me a lot - working together and analyzing the actual hidden meaning of what's written in the Scripture - to solve and understand the mysteries in the narratives of the Book of Genesis 1&2 thru Biblical Proof Text, proven Scientific findings and Historical facts or discoveries.

God Bless

Thank you for sharing this with me.

When studying Genesis 1, 2 everything is laid out in evening and morning being a day from day 1-6 in everything God created as He rested from all His work on the seventh day.

Genesis Chapter 1 starts with the beginning of creation ending on the 6th day when God created man to take care of the land and then created woman as a helpmate to the man.

Genesis Chapter 2 is like a recap of everything God did within six days of creating everything, including man and woman on the sixth day. On the seventh day God rested from everything He created as He placed Adam and his wife Eve in the garden of Eden to cultivate and keep it. This was all done before the temptation Eve fell to as she was deceived and then enticed Adam to eat of the forbidden fruit.

When you read Genesis 1:9-13 there is no mention of God creating man on the third day. I really don't know how you can refute this.

Genesis 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

 

[for_his_glory]

Modern Hebrew is taught from the Torah and yes all words save the Heshem have vowels .my pastor has written words on the board in, Hebrew and put,the vowels in them,once you learn the language well enough you don't write them.other wise modern Hebrew couldn't be spoken and modern Hebrew is what the bible uses as the mss used it

A lot of people do not know there is old Hebrew and modern Hebrew as our English Bible comes from the modern Hebrew with the vowels attached to the old Hebrew words. IMO old Hebrew and its alphabet is very hard to learn and you have to be a studious student to learn it.

 

[jasonc]

A lot of people do not know there is old Hebrew and modern Hebrew as our English Bible comes from the modern Hebrew with the vowels attached to the old Hebrew words. IMO old Hebrew and its alphabet is very hard to learn and you have to be a studious student to learn it.

Not really.

The letters of proto hebrew,Aramaic and modern Hebrew are close and they can decifer the oldest forms of Hebrew .

It wasn't pictigraphic like modern Hebrew but the letter sounds are the same .

 

[for_his_glory]

Not really.

The letters of proto hebrew,Aramaic and modern Hebrew are close and they can decifer the oldest forms of Hebrew .

It wasn't pictigraphic like modern Hebrew but the letter sounds are the same .

I've seen the charts, but yet, unless I truly studied them could I even begin to figure out the pics/symbols, although the bulls head was easy, LOL.

But, anyway, back to the OP.

 

[jasonc]

I've seen the charts, but yet, unless I truly studied them could I even begin to figure out the pics/symbols, although the bulls head was easy, LOL.

But, anyway, back to the OP.

Aleph,and vau the Lord almighty

 

[seve]

Genesis Chapter 1 starts with the beginning of creation ending on the 6th day when God created man to take care of the land and then created woman as a helpmate to the man.

Genesis Chapter 2 is like a recap of everything God did within six days of creating everything, including man and woman on the sixth day. On the seventh day God rested from everything He created as He placed Adam and his wife Eve in the garden of Eden to cultivate and keep it. This was all done before the temptation Eve fell to as she was deceived and then enticed Adam to eat of the forbidden fruit.

When you read Genesis 1:9-13 there is no mention of God creating man on the third day. I really don't know how you can refute this.

Genesis 1 is an Outline of ALL of the events leading to the Creation of the Perfect Heaven. Most of the rest of the Bible refers to the present 6th Day, but ALL of the Bible refers to the events of God's 6 Creative Days.

That's why we are taken back to the 3rd Day at Gen 2:4. The narrative is adding details to the events listed in Gen 1. Both accounts agree totally and in detail.

Here's where you can reconcile Scripturally how Adam was Physically Formed (Hebrew- yatsar) from the Dust on the 3rd Day BEFORE he was Created (Hebrew- bara') in the image and likeness of God, spiritually, on the 6th Day.

I am now inserting cited Scriptural cross references I posted before side-by-side for your better reading comprehension that you may know and understand this time.

The first heaven of Adam’s World was made on the 2nd Day.

Gen 1:6-8 KJV] 6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which [were] under the firmament from the waters which [were] above the firmament: and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Keep in mind that the firmament of Heaven (singular) as God calls it was made on the 2nd Day - Gen 1:6-8

The Making of the OTHER HEAVENS (plural) on the 3rd Day.

Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens (plural) and of the earth when they were Created (by the Father), IN THE DAY that the Lord God (Son) Made the earth and the Heavens (plural),

The 2nd and 3rd Heavens were Made on the 3rd Day.

[Gen 1:9-10 KJV] 9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry [land] appear: and it was so. 10 And God called the dry [land] Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that [it was] good

As you noticed, the Earth was made on the THIRD Day. Gen 1:9-10 These verses are documenting the events of the THIRD Day.

Gen 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. v6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

Notice that these verses are continuing to identify the time on the THIRD Day BEFORE the plants, herbs, and Trees GREW. Gen 1:12-13

[Gen 1:12-13 KJV] 12 And the earth brought forth grass, [and] herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed [was] in itself, after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good. 13 And the evening and the morning were the third day. v7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

On the THIRD Day, the SAME Day the Earth was made but BEFORE the plants GREW, the LORD made man of the dust of the ground. Correct?

Read the next verses which confirm once again that it is speaking of the 3rd Day.

v8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the Man whom He had formed. v9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Adam was Physically Formed (Hebrew- yatsar) from the Dust on the 3rd Day BEFORE he was Created (Hebrew- bara') in the image and likeness of God, spiritually, on the 6th Day.

Gen 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. IN THE DAY that God (Elohim) created man, in the likeness of God made he him; v2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, IN THE DAY
when they were created. v3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

In other words, Adam was Physically Formed/Made on the 3rd Day and CREATED in God's Image and likeness or Born Again Spiritually and Eternally on the 6th Day, only after A&E already have committed their original sin ; AFTER Cain had already killed Abel. In fact, the actual Creation Event took place during Seth's generations? when men started to call upon the name of the Lord - Gen 4:26; Gen 5:1-2

1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

God Bless

 

[for_his_glory]

It's time for me to walk away from this as there is nothing more I can give without repeating myself over and over.

Thank you for the good discussion, but I just can not agree with your understanding. You have a good evening and God bless you and yours.

 

[seve]

May the blessings of God shine on you and yours as well.

 

[Barbarian]

The 3 elements necessary for all physical form are shown... Air, Dust, and Water. Everything which is physical is composed of these 3 elements.The text is correct in showing that the water was not directly created, or spoken into being, because it consists of elements of the Air or Atmosphere. Water is Hydrogen and Oxygen and came from the Atmosphere and is not shown as a separate creation.

They are not elements. Elements are substances composed of only one kind of atom. Rather early on, people realized that earth, air, and water were not made of only one kind of atom.

 

[GodsGrace]

God tells us we live in a Multiverse, composed of at least 3 universes. Today's physics has confirmed that it's possible and currently scientists from all over the world are seeking to confirm those equations.

Hbr 11:3 Through faith we understand that the WorldS (multiverse) were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

The first Heaven or World was in the midst of water below and above it and later destroyed in a Flood.
The second Heaven is our present World - surrounded by Star Dust - which is scheduled to be burned.
The third Heaven or World is the object of the Creation, contains a single city with streets of gold and gates of pearl, and it will never die (Rev.21).

The first heaven was made the SECOND Day. Genesis 1:6-8
The second heaven was made the THIRD Day. Genesis 2:4
The third heaven was is also made on the THIRD Day. Genesis 2:4

Do you see the Plurality of Shamayim in Genesis 2:4, LITERALLY speaking? It's a Multiverse alright.

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavenS (Plural) and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

God Bless

Don't you believe WORLDS means different planets...or whatever those of the time thought they were seeing in the sky?

I kind of doubt they even thought of multiverses.

 

[seve]

They are not elements. Elements are substances composed of only one kind of atom. Rather early on, people realized that earth, air, and water were not made of only one kind of atom.

Can you refute the Scientific Fact that everything physical consists of air, dust, and water? Living creatures also have the Fire of Life added by Jesus as John 1:4 tells us. Does this give you a reason to see that God created the Creation Elements of the air, dust, and water for Jesus to shape or mold into Adam's Earth on the Third Day?

 

[seve]

Don't you believe WORLDS means different planets...or whatever those of the time thought they were seeing in the sky?

I kind of doubt they even thought of multiverses.

You can believe whatever you want my friend.

The fact is, I made my assertions on this thread supported by the Scripture, Science and History. Unless you can refute what I have posted and claimed using the same methodology, my post stands on its own!

 

[seve]

Don't you believe WORLDS means different planets...or whatever those of the time thought they were seeing in the sky?

I kind of doubt they even thought of multiverses.

I am not sure if I read your post correctly. Pardon me, my friend. I should rather say...

They can believe whatever they want to my friend. I am not here to convince them or anybody else. I am just posting what I believe to be true for discussion.

The fact is, I made my assertions on this thread supported by the Scripture, Science and History, if needed be. Unless they can refute what I have posted and claimed using the same methodology, I thought that my posts can stand on its own!

God Bless