I never knew you

[savedbygrace57]

Matt 7:


22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Those who Jesus will utter these momentous words to, I never knew you, though they had been extremely religious, professed believers in Him, yet they never really trusted in Him..

For Nahum 1:7 says:


7The LORD is good, a strong hold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him.

Many today, who say they Trust in Jesus Christ for salvation as per eph 1:

12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Yet it was all lip service, for if you examine their testimony, they really did not Trust the Jesus Christ of the bible for the salvation He wrought out for His elect, but they trusted in their freewill decision in the false Christ who died for every single individual in the world without exception, thereby making their salvation possible.

They did not Trust in the Christ who ensured by His death, the salvation of all the Sheep, and them only, but for that Christ who done all he could to save you, but now its left up to you to get saved..

It is to these that the Lord Jesus Christ, in that Day [ Judgment Day] will say " I never knew you ", this will be those whose names were never written in the Lambs book of Life.. rev 21:27

And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

lest He lied when He states He never knew them or He does not know those whose names are written in His book of Life.

Notice that Jesus says or does not say, I once knew you, but now I do not ! Jesus is intimating that He never was in a covenantal relationship with them, which means He did not shed His covenant blood for them, hear Jesus words :

Matt 26:


28For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

lk 22:20

Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.


See the intimacy with His chosen disciples, he stating that His blood was shed for them personally, He knew them intimately as He does all for whom His blood was Shed..

He shed His blood and rose again as the Great Shepherd of the Sheep Heb 13:

20Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Now He knows His Sheep Jn 10:14

I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

So, if He tells them in Matt 7 23, I never knew you, and yet He died for them as His Sheep, then He lied..which of course is out of the question since the word says of Him [see 1 pet 2:22 & isa 53:9].

So this would also exclude them for the effects of the blood of the everlasting covenant, since it was shed by Him as the Great Shepherd of the Sheep, which Sheep He knew [ jn 10:14]


Folks, Jesus saying that to them " I never knew you ", He is simply saying that He never die for them, He never shed His Covenant Blood for them, and consequently, all they did in His Name, was vain and works of iniquity, for they never really trusted in him..

 

[savedbygrace57]

Jesus will say to many professors of religion, very sincere people in that day of Judgment, " I never knew you " depart from me, ye that work iniquity..Matt 7:


22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Amongst what this means is He never bore their sins or iniquties as in Isa 53:

6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

He knows His Sheep Jn 10

11He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Seeing how these things are so closely related, Christ knowing His Sheep, and bearing their iniquities, then for Him to say I never knew you, is saying, I never bear your iniquities.

Isa 53 :

8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

He died or bore the sins of His People, of Gods People, so why would He say to any of them, I never knew you ?

Those He died for, He bare their sins in His own body on the Tree 1 pet 2:24

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

How could He have done this ? How could He have bare their sins in His own body, and yet proclaim to them, I never Knew you ?

Jesus knew those for whom sins He would die lk 22:

20Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

Jesus knows all those that are His 2 tim 2:19

Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Those whom Christ died for, will depart from iniquity because by the obedience of one, many shall be made righteous rom 5:19b

so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

When those He died for are made righteous, by His obedience, they shall depart from iniquity..

Hence, they can never be called ye workers of iniquity..all their iniquities have been blotted out of the way, washed away by the blood, to be remembered no more heb 8:

12For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.


Now ask yourself, did Christ remember the iniquities of them He says, I never knew you, depart from me, ye that work iniquity ? Sure He did..So He did not die for them..

 

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Matt 7:
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


2Thessalonians 2
9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


What is the Lie? People will believe the Anti-christ(Or the son of perdition if you prefer) is Jesus. Thats why they will say Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? The reason they say that is because they actually thought they where doing for Jesus, by the power of Jesus.



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[savedbygrace57]

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What is the Lie?

False gospels..The many different christ's being preached today matt 24:


23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

 

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But they will not decieve the elect. Because the elect believe all the Words of Jesus and as Jesus said:

John 6
63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

All His Words

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[savedbygrace57]

In essence, what Jesus was saying to those in Matt 7:


23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Was that I never Loved you intimately, nor did I die for you, therefore depart from me, ye that work iniquity..

Notice that He was not speaking to drunkards, thieves and murderers, but what appeared to be very sincere relgious people who were deply involved the religious works..

 

[savedgeezer]

In essence, what Jesus was saying to those in Matt 7:


23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Was that I never Loved you intimately, nor did I die for you, therefore depart from me, ye that work iniquity..

Notice that He was not speaking to drunkards, thieves and murderers, but what appeared to be very sincere relgious people who were deply involved the religious works..

Please consider :
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slow about His promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not willing for anyone to perish, but that all should reach repentance.
Joh 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Jesus did die for these men.
Obviously these men believed in Him, at least His name, but have some unrepentant sin in their lives that caused them to be lost.

Stay Blessed

 

[savedbygrace57]

Sorry, Christ did not die for anyone he says to them I never knew you..

 

[Alabaster]

Sorry, Christ did not die for anyone he says to them I never knew you..

False. He died for every single person on the planet, but not everyone will take His offer to be adopted into God's family. God doesn't recognize the children of another father.

 

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Sorry, Christ did not die for anyone he says to them I never knew you..

Jesus died for those whom would accept His death as atonement for their sins. This puts the decision into the hands of all men to accept.

In the end the atonement of the Messiah Jesus will not cover all men. But this is because some men reject His atonement. This does not change the fact that the offer was open to all men. But an offer that is not accepted has no effect for the one who rejects it.


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[savedbygrace57]

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Jesus died for those whom would accept His death as atonement for their sins.

No He did not, He died for as many as the Father hath given Him, and God accepted His death for them..they did not have to accept anything, in fact they were dead spiritually..

All for whom My Christ died for SHALL be made righteous by His death rom 5:

19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

 

[Strangelove]

Folks, Jesus saying that to them " I never knew you ", He is simply saying that He never die for them, He never shed His Covenant Blood for them, and consequently, all they did in His Name, was vain and works of iniquity, for they never really trusted in him..

So, an 800+ reply thread isn't enough for you SBG, you need to start another on exactly the same topic? Lolz.

I'll just reply once and state the same thing I did in your other thread.

You are changing Christs words. He DIDN'T say what you say He did.

He died for ALL men but He didn't die for the salvation of all men. Christs death can still effect peoples lives even if they are not predestined to salvation. In good ways AND bad. Indeed those not destined for salvation will have DAMNATION come from Him when they are baptized in His FIRE.

The doctrine of Election is correct.

Hyper-Calvinist ELITISM is incorrect, unChristian and a shame to the body.

I'm outta here and not coming back.

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No He did not, He died for as many as the Father hath given Him, and God accepted His death for them..they did not have to accept anything, in fact they were dead spiritually..

All for whom My Christ died for SHALL be made righteous by His death rom 5:

19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

I am not a calvanist as you can probably tell.

Many are called few are chosen because many resist the call. So God calls many and all who heed the call come to salvation. So yes God has given every one of the followers to Jesus. No one comes without the drawing of the Holy Spirit. But people have resisted His will and will continue to do as such till the last day.


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[Bubba]

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1 Timothy 4:10 (Young's Literal Translation)
"for for this we both labour and are reproached, because we hope on the living God, who is Saviour of all men -- especially of those believing."

1 John 2:2 (Young's Literal Translation)
"and he -- he is a propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the whole world,"

1Corinthians 15:22 (Young's Literal Translation)
"for even as in Adam all die, so also in the Christ all shall be made alive,"

Luke 23:34 (Young's Literal Translation)
"And Jesus said, `Father, forgive them, for they have not known what they do;..."

These verses seem to argue against your premise.
Bubba

 

[savedbygrace57]

SBG
1 Timothy 4:10 (Young's Literal Translation)
"for for this we both labour and are reproached, because we hope on the living God, who is Saviour of all men -- especially of those believing."

1 John 2:2 (Young's Literal Translation)
"and he -- he is a propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the whole world,"

1Corinthians 15:22 (Young's Literal Translation)
"for even as in Adam all die, so also in the Christ all shall be made alive,"

Luke 23:34 (Young's Literal Translation)
"And Jesus said, `Father, forgive them, for they have not known what they do;..."

These verses seem to argue against your premise.
Bubba

All those verses applie to God's elect, those who Jesus Knew..

 

[savedbygrace57]

I am not a calvanist as you can probably tell.

Many are called few are chosen because many resist the call. So God calls many and all who heed the call come to salvation. So yes God has given every one of the followers to Jesus. No one comes without the drawing of the Holy Spirit. But people have resisted His will and will continue to do as such till the last day.


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All for whom My Christ died for SHALL be made righteous by His death rom 5:

19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

 

[Bubba]

All those verses applie to God's elect, those who Jesus Knew..

1 Timothy 4:10 (Young's Literal Translation)
"for for this we both labour and are reproached, because we hope on the living God, who is Saviour of all men -- especially of those believing."

1 John 2:2 (Young's Literal Translation)
"and he -- he is a propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the whole world,"

Seems to read that there are two groups represented; the elect and those who will believe someday possibly in a different realm ( 1Peter4:6).
Bubba

 

[savedbygrace57]

1 Timothy 4:10 (Young's Literal Translation)
"for for this we both labour and are reproached, because we hope on the living God, who is Saviour of all men -- especially of those believing."

1 John 2:2 (Young's Literal Translation)
"and he -- he is a propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the whole world,"

Seems to read that there are two groups represented; the elect and those who will believe someday possibly in a different realm ( 1Peter4:6).
Bubba

All those verses applie to God's elect, those who Jesus Knew..

 

[savedbygrace57]

The reprobates ! 2 cor 13:5 -



2 cor 13:

5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Those whom Jesus Christ will be say those words to " I never knew you, depart from me" are the reprobates, those He never died for, He never Loved, and those who had been rejected by God.

The word reprobate is the greek word adokimos and means:


not standing the test, not approved

a) properly used of metals and coins

2) that which does not prove itself such as it ought

a) unfit for, unproved, spurious, reprobate

The word is also translated rejected as in heb 6:

8But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

Whereas, those God Loved, and for whom Christ died, they have been since before the world began, accepted in the beloved by grace per eph 1:

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

7In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

God made us that way, that is excepted in the beloved..He made us Highly favored in the beloved according as He chose us in Him eph 1:

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

You see, the reprobates, could have never been one of these chosen and accepted and loved in Christ before the foundation of the world. That status comes purely by Grace, noting we have done in and of ourselves makes us accepted in Christ..

So the reprobates, are the rest of mankind that was excluded and rejected from being of the Chosen in Christ..Those are the ones in spite of their religious efforts and sincerity will hear the words of Christ, I never knew you, depart from me ye that work iniquity, speaking of their religious endeavors..

 

[savedbygrace57]

When Jesus says to them, I never knew you " He is saying, you never belonged to me, because, Scripture say the Lord knows those that are His 2 tim 2:

19Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Yes, its the very same greek word for knoweth here as it is in Matt 7 23 where its knew..

So those who preached in His name, He tells them, I never knew you. How many of us today believe we are preaching in Christ name ?